The Wrestling Thread...Has Set Me Free!- - Part 41

[Slushy]

The champion is "the best." WWE has made that statement for decades. Various champions have said that holding the belt proves they are top dog. Makes perfect sense for them to fight for the title to prove who is number 1.

Yet they made Cena/Batista and Edge/Jericho all look like sh** because they wanted to give glory hog HBK his swan song. Do you really want Jericho in a title match to be overshadowed again?

 

[Hunter Rider]

If Punk and Jericho aren't going on last, there's no point in them fighting for the belt. Bragging rights for who the best wrestler in the world is good enough and they don't need the title to put on a 5 star match.

Flair vs Savage went on in the middle of WrestleMania VIII and is still rated as one of the best WWF title matches in history, it was about the two best in the business, Hulk's match was supposed to be his last so it went on last.

To be the best in the world you compete for what is seen as the #1 title in the industry, that is what Punk vs Jericho is about. Rock vs Cena is a special attraction like Rock vs Hogan, it's about generations colliding and should have nothing to do with the belt as their issue is personal.

 

[Van Petrol]

I loved this promo back in the day.

 

[Metallo]

Yet they made Cena/Batista and Edge/Jericho all look like sh** because they wanted to give glory hog HBK his swan song. Do you really want Jericho in a title match to be overshadowed again?

Id rather the championship match go last but if Punk/Jericho can steal the show its not going to matter nearly as much if they go on last or next to last. See Rock vs Hogan and Taker vs Batista. Those two were pissed they didn't go on last and they went out there and did something about it. Big Dave probably put on his greatest performance ever. They certainly didn't get overshadowed by Cena vs Michaels (which was also a good match).

Rock vs Cena is something else...a generational battle and so called dream match. The top stars of two eras going at it. I can see why it would be "special" and the title in the match would be secondary. That doesn't help the WWE title either.

 

[NDX]

Flair vs Savage went on in the middle of WrestleMania VIII...

One of the biggest travesties in wrestling history.

According to me.

 

[Wheels]

Why would The Rock give a flying **** about the WWE title now? He won't stick around to defend it anyway.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Now that they see its not talent thats the problem maybe they'll give Punk and whoever he's working with more opportunities. Anybody with any common sense could have told them that its booking. Cenas the top guy and he's lead a steady ratings decline for half a decade. They need to make new stars to carry the load and focus on telling better stories inside and outside the ring.

I think too many panicked too quickly and the sheets fed off that, WWE are in a testing phase right now, I mean it was seemingly set that Punk vs Miz was going to be the Rumble title match, but it was clear that wasn't connecting but Ziggler was getting good segment ratings, so he was moved into the spot.

Agreed on Cena as champ. If they put the belt on him that only makes him look inferior in my eyes. Like they don't have enough faith in the match as is. Rock vs Hogan didn't need a belt. If Cenas supposedly on these guys level he shouldn't need one either. Its a personal feud for respect and bragging rights. the WWE title would be an afterthought anyway and thats a terrible thing because the belt needs to be important after Rock vs Cena is long over.

Putting the title in another match will help the overall card draw better. two big drawing main event matches is better than one.

Exactly, every now and then there is a match that trancends everything and putting a title match on after it hurts the title rather than makes it look important.

Agreed, it's a case of having two prize matches instead of one.

Yet they made Cena/Batista and Edge/Jericho all look like sh** because they wanted to give glory hog HBK his swan song. Do you really want Jericho in a title match to be overshadowed again?

No they didn't make them look like ****, it would have been suicide to go on after HBK vs Taker, it had nothing to do with glory hogging, WWE put the match on last because it was the draw of the show and the roster all felt the two deserved center stage as HBK's last match was a bigger deal than the title matches because of what he means to WWE. Taker vs HBK II was the match that 99% of fans cared about going into that Mania and the WWE were smart enough to realize it had to go on last because the year before after HBK vs Taker went on, no one gave two ****s about Triple H vs Orton.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

I loved this promo back in the day.

That was great.

 

[Hunter Rider]

One of the biggest travesties in wrestling history.

According to me.

At the time I felt the same but in hindsight it was probably for the best as we have seen how it's panned out with burnt out crowds when a title match has gone on after a special attraction, despite the Sid/Hogan match stinking the joint out. It also doesn't alter the fact that 20 years later it's the match that defined the show and that everyone remembers as the main thing about it even though it went on in the middle.

 

[bullets]

Guess all wrestling has fallen even deeper into that "the belt is a PROP" mentality. They don't think it needs to be important which is a shame. Its the simplest way to drive a great storyline. Saves time on coming up with some complex reasoning for a feud and its believable.

The storyline writes itself. It was done well enough with Orton and Christian last year. I liked Christian turning heel after losing the title , it made sense. Big Show should feel the same way and probably would of turned heel if Henry did decide to take more time off. I like how Triple H would always be obsessed over the title. A lot of guys make it seem important besides Cena. If Cena loses the title he just comes out with an "aw shucks" , " I'll get it back later" attitude. It sucks.

It's one reason why I miss the King of the Ring pay per view so bad. That was perfect for highlighting up and coming guys and giving them something prestigious to shoot for. Even if they didn't win it could open up the door for some feuds between contestants.

They really should bring it back. It would definitely help people from floundering in the mid card for a short amount of time.

 

[NDX]

I loved this promo back in the day.

Thank you for posting this.

 

[Slushy]

Why would The Rock give a flying **** about the WWE title now?

Because winning the WWE Championship from a sh** talking punk in front of your hometown in the main event of Wrestlemania would be the perfect ending to a storied career.

He won't stick around to defend it anyway.

If Hogan and Michaels can have one more short title runs, so can The Rock.

 

[The Sage]

- WWE is building to CM Punk hitting John Laurinaitis, and talking that it will be similar to how big it was when Steve Austin finally hit Vince McMahon with the Stunner during the Attitude era.

- There is heat on Evan Bourne after Triple H confronted him a few weeks ago, blaming him for the story getting out about R-Truth's suspension being for fake marijuana or spice, as well as how they were smoking it together.

It's said that Triple H is not a fan of Bourne but Stephanie McMahon thinks he brings something unique to the table. Even with Stephanie's support, there is whispers within WWE that Bourne is about to be the next Paul London - a guy with talent who is going to be broken mentally by the system.

There is also heat on Bourne because of the idea that you are not supposed to publicly show frustration with company and some feel that he has done that through Twitter at times.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/327736492.php

 

[Darkness Falls]

strangely i have to agree with hhh on the bourne thing

and i look forward to punk punching johnny ace

 

[Wheels]

Because winning the WWE Championship from a sh** talking punk in front of your hometown in the main event of Wrestlemania would be the perfect ending to a storied career.



If Hogan and Michaels can have one more short title runs, so can The Rock.

What **** talking? Oh wow, yeah Cena bringing up the fact he isn't around. The rest of the time Cena talks about how awesome Rock is.: The same guy who constantly makes him look like an idiot, thus making himself look like a door mat.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Because winning the WWE Championship from a sh** talking punk in front of your hometown in the main event of Wrestlemania would be the perfect ending to a storied career.

If Hogan and Michaels can have one more short title runs, so can The Rock.

How is Cena a **** talking punk? all he's said is that Rock talks a lot about how much he loves the business, but doesn't show up, which is true. Where as Rock has constantly abused Cena as not being a man.

The difference was Hogan and HBK were active roster members and appeared on each show for the month they had the belt. Rock has two movies to promote and Fast 6 to shoot directly following Mania, a run for him would be pointless as he simply wouldn't be there, that's why not having the match include the belt is smart, so Rock and his fanboys can have their little win over Cena and it wont effect anything else.

 

[Slushy]

What **** talking?

The same sh** talking that started the feud to begin with. It was only after Vince threatened to fire Cena during the feud with Punk where he changed his tune and started sucking up to The Rock, who saw through his phoniness and humiliated him again at The Garden.

The difference was Hogan and HBK were active roster members and appeared on each show for the month they had the belt. Rock has two movies to promote and Fast 6 to shoot directly following Mania, a run for him would be pointless as he simply wouldn't be there, that's why not having the match include the belt is smart, so Rock and his fanboys can have their little win over Cena and it wont effect anything else.

He can hold it until Extreme Rules where he probably drop it back to Cena. It's not that hard to do or work out.

 

[The Sage]

He can hold it until Extreme Rules where he probably drop it back to Cena. It's not that hard to do or work out.

That's pointless. The belt's better being contested between Jericho and Punk, both of whom are on the main roster and will be around consistently. And personally, I'm tired of these short world title reigns, leaving it on Punk is the smarter idea. Cena's at the point where he doesn't need the belt at all.

Rock vs Hogan didn't need the belt, Taker vs HBK didn't, and Cena vs Rock doesn't as well.

 

[Wheels]

The title is still going to be overshadowed by the personal issues. I doubt it will be that important to the Cena vs Rock story.

 

[The Sage]

The title is still going to be overshadowed by the personal issues. I doubt it will be that important to the Cena vs Rock story.

Exactly, that match has enough heat and doesn't require the belt. Having Cena not participating in title match at Mania would be a fresh change even if he still does main-event, and it's an opportunity for Punk to get higher on the card by walking in as world champion.

 

[Metallo]

Because winning the WWE Championship from a sh** talking punk in front of your hometown in the main event of Wrestlemania would be the perfect ending to a storied career.

If other great champions didn't get that I really don't see why the Rock should. Rock needs to do whats right to the future of the business that gave him all these opportunities to have a great career in the WWE and another career after it. Before last year he hadn't even been around live for years.

Would have been stupid for The Rock to put Hogan over and it would have been stupid for Michaels to put Flair over and that was intended to be his last match. Hogan was the undisputed leader and standard bearer of his time. The Rock can't even claim that. Austin did the job for Rock on the way out. Rock needs to do the same for someone else.

If Rock puts on the match he's supposed to its not even going to matter if he wins or loses. His place in the history of the business is already secure and a great match, win or lose, will put a great cap on it.

If Hogan and Michaels can have one more short title runs, so can The Rock.

Hogan and Michaels actually stuck around a whole month solid as champion. In Michaels case he stuck around another 8 years after to put guys over. There's no way Rock's going to do either.

Hogan was riding a wave of nostalgic popularity that even the Rock hasn'e seen in his return. Like I said Hogan was THE man. Rock was one of two men and he rode to teh top on the wave of success kicked off by the guy in front of him, Steve Austin. Hogan didn't have anyone doing that for him.

 

[Slushy]

I'm tired of these short world title reigns

Unfortunately, the days of long title reigns are over. Ironic considering there's two belts.

 

[Hunter Rider]

He can hold it until Extreme Rules where he probably drop it back to Cena. It's not that hard to do or work out.

This is a guy who can barely make one show every four months, it would be a complete and utter waste of time when the belt should be on guys who need it.

 

[Slushy]

If other great champions didn't get that I really don't see why the Rock should. Rock needs to do whats right to the future of the business that gave him all these opportunities to have a great career in the WWE and another career after it. Before last year he hadn't even been around live for years.

Would have been stupid for The Rock to put Hogan over and it would have been stupid for Michaels to put Flair over and that was intended to be his last match. Hogan was the undisputed leader and standard bearer of his time. The Rock can't even claim that. Austin did the job for Rock on the way out. Rock needs to do the same for someone else.

If Rock puts on the match he's supposed to its not even going to matter if he wins or loses. His place in the history of the business is already secure and a great match, win or lose, will put a great cap on it.

You see I'm one of those guys who believe in sending the crowd home happy. All some smarks do is talk about what's good for the future. What's the point always going on about it if we can never have fun in the present?

Plus, John Cena has already been pushed to the moon and is as popular as he'll ever get. I'm not sure why people think he needs to win to help his career.

I hope The Rock beats John Cena (preferably for the WWE Championship. It will be one of the greatest Wrestlemania moments to happen. You cannot deny that.) I know a lot of fans, including myself, will be satisfied.

 

[Metallo]

At the time I felt the same but in hindsight it was probably for the best as we have seen how it's panned out with burnt out crowds when a title match has gone on after a special attraction, despite the Sid/Hogan match stinking the joint out. It also doesn't alter the fact that 20 years later it's the match that defined the show and that everyone remembers as the main thing about it even though it went on in the middle.

It was a lot better than Hogan/Sid thats for sure. Only thing god about that was the buildup.

- WWE is building to CM Punk hitting John Laurinaitis, and talking that it will be similar to how big it was when Steve Austin finally hit Vince McMahon with the Stunner during the Attitude era.

They can't be serious. So many problems with thinking its going to be as big as Austin putting his hands on Vince. So so many. Not even sure where to start.

- There is heat on Evan Bourne after Triple H confronted him a few weeks ago, blaming him for the story getting out about R-Truth's suspension being for fake marijuana or spice, as well as how they were smoking it together.

It's said that Triple H is not a fan of Bourne but Stephanie McMahon thinks he brings something unique to the table. Even with Stephanie's support, there is whispers within WWE that Bourne is about to be the next Paul London - a guy with talent who is going to be broken mentally by the system.

There is also heat on Bourne because of the idea that you are not supposed to publicly show frustration with company and some feel that he has done that through Twitter at times.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

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With Truths history it doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to figure out he was the one who failed the drug test.

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The title is still going to be overshadowed by the personal issues. I doubt it will be that important to the Cena vs Rock story.

If WWE wants to show that Cena is on the level of Hogan, Hart, Michaels, Rock, and Austin he needs to be able to go into Wrestlemania and show he's a major draw WITHOUT a World title on the line. All the others did. Cena needs to show he's a top guy without the belt to help him.