The Wrestling Thread...Has Set Me Free!- - Part 41

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I guess what I was going to say about the title vs. Attraction matches has already been said.

Yea, the belt should be the top prize in the company, but occasionally, a feud comes along that is bigger than the belt. Its more personal than that. I think those are awesome feuds. Punk v. Jericho for the title absolutely should go before Cena v. Rock. Rock's return match is much bigger than the belt at that point.

Typically, I agree, like Edge v. Del Rio had no business opening the show last year, but there are absolutely circumstances where the belt shouldn't headline.

As for the rest, I dread Cena going over Rock because that's just the epitome of them forcing Cena down our throat as this huge icon. And beating Rock will do Cena no favors. Its not going to endear fans to him. If anything, its going to turn them away.

 

[Metallo]

You see I'm one of those guys who believe in sending the crowd home happy. All some smarks do is talk about what's good for the future. What's the point always going on about it if we can never have fun in the present?

Plus, John Cena has already been pushed to the moon and is as popular as he'll ever get. I'm not sure why people think he needs to win to help his career.

I hope The Rock beats John Cena (preferably for the WWE Championship. It will be one of the greatest Wrestlemania moments to happen. You cannot deny that.) I know a lot of fans, including myself, will be satisfied.

If the match is amazing the crowd goes home happy. Its Rocks job to make Cena look like a credible opponent and vice versa. If he can't do that he doesn't deserve to be where he's at. He can't be going into this worried about just making himself look good.

As for Cena not needing the win the Rock needs the win ten times LESS than Cena does. Whats winning going to do for the Rock at this point?

 

[The Sage]

You see I'm one of those guys who believe in sending the crowd home happy. All some smarks do is talk about what's good for the future. What's the point always going on about it if we can never have fun in the present?

Plus, John Cena has already been pushed to the moon and is as popular as he'll ever get. I'm not sure why people think he needs to win to help his career.

I hope The Rock beats John Cena (preferably for the WWE Championship. It will be one of the greatest Wrestlemania moments to happen. You cannot deny that.) I know a lot of fans, including myself, will be satisfied.

Cena beating the Rock would be one of the greatest Wrestlemania moments too.

It's got nothing to do with helping careers. It comes down to this: who's going to be around to help the company and work with new stars?

If Rock beats Cena, fine. Good for them. Send the crowd home happy. But don't let it be for the title. That's a waste since automatically you know Rock's going to have to drop it the next month. If he wins the belt, Rock should hang around for a few months and work with some of the guys on the roster that could benefit from the rub.

If that's not gonna happen, then leave the title among the guys that are actually going to stick around.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You see I'm one of those guys who believe in sending the crowd home happy. All some smarks do is talk about what's good for the future. What's the point always going on about it if we can never have fun in the present?

Plus, John Cena has already been pushed to the moon and is as popular as he'll ever get. I'm not sure why people think he needs to win to help his career.

I hope The Rock beats John Cena (preferably for the WWE Championship. It will be one of the greatest Wrestlemania moments to happen. You cannot deny that.) I know a lot of fans, including myself, will be satisfied.

Agreed, Blackheart. This is one area where I fundamentally disagree with the "smark" mentality of the wrestling audience. I dont watch wrestling for guys -needing- to get put over in certain ways for the "future", im watching it to be entertained now.

 

[The Sage]

I guess what I was going to say about the title vs. Attraction matches has already been said.

Yea, the belt should be the top prize in the company, but occasionally, a feud comes along that is bigger than the belt. Its more personal than that. I think those are awesome feuds. Punk v. Jericho for the title absolutely should go before Cena v. Rock. Rock's return match is much bigger than the belt at that point.

Typically, I agree, like Edge v. Del Rio had no business opening the show last year, but there are absolutely circumstances where the belt shouldn't headline.

As for the rest, I dread Cena going over Rock because that's just the epitome of them forcing Cena down our throat as this huge icon. And beating Rock will do Cena no favors. Its not going to endear fans to him. If anything, its going to turn them away.

That's why really, if Cena beats the Rock, they need have the guts to pull the trigger on a heel turn once and for all. The whole "I'm gonna rise above the hate and beat the Rock" stuff that I can picture them doing is for the birds.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Short term gain is why the wrestling business is in the mess it's in, Rock winning the title would add nothing to Rock winning, the match is not about belts.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Agreed, Blackheart. This is one area where I fundamentally disagree with the "smark" mentality of the wrestling audience. I dont watch wrestling for guys -needing- to get put over in certain ways for the "future", im watching it to be entertained now.

It's got nothing to do with smarks or marks, but if you enjoy the business I see no harm in looking at what is good for the business long term, not just a fanwank for one night. If crowds can't be sent home happy AND the business be moving forward at the same time, then there's a fundamental problem.

 

[Metallo]

If Chris Benoit is able to send fans home happy in a LOSS to Kurt Angle at the Royal Rumble then I don't see who Rock can't do the same against Cena. Especially if he's the great performer so many claim he is.

Even if Rock won the WWE title is he going to show up every week as champ much less defend it. Hogan was there the entire month for Raw and Smackdown either appearing or defending and he was almost 50 years old.

Rock winning the belt and then not showing up for an entire month to defend it would be lame.

It was the Rock who said he was back in WWE to help and to take it to new heights. If he means that he should be helping secure the future of the company when its slipping. I won't even comment on that "I'm never leaving again" part.

Jericho's back and I doubt he takes a month or three off until his next appearance if he is heading for a WWE title match at Mania.

Hunters right. This short term gratification is exactly whats put the business in the shape its in. If they keep it up I can see a day not to long from now where they won't be a business. Way to help out, Rocky.

 

[The Sage]

Didn't they send the crowd home happy last year at Mania with Rock beating down Miz and Cena and standing tall in the end? It didn't do them any favors in the long run, especially with Miz.

 

[Dr. Evil]

- WWE is building to CM Punk hitting John Laurinaitis, and talking that it will be similar to how big it was when Steve Austin finally hit Vince McMahon with the Stunner during the Attitude era.

- There is heat on Evan Bourne after Triple H confronted him a few weeks ago, blaming him for the story getting out about R-Truth's suspension being for fake marijuana or spice, as well as how they were smoking it together.

It's said that Triple H is not a fan of Bourne but Stephanie McMahon thinks he brings something unique to the table. Even with Stephanie's support, there is whispers within WWE that Bourne is about to be the next Paul London - a guy with talent who is going to be broken mentally by the system.

There is also heat on Bourne because of the idea that you are not supposed to publicly show frustration with company and some feel that he has done that through Twitter at times.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/327736492.php

And yet if Orton or Cena do it through Twitter, the WWE will do absolutely nothing and it will be another example of the WWE showing double standards (another would be that Michael Cole is not allowed to insult either of them, Triple H or The Undertaker the same way he would with Daniel Bryan or Zack Ryder).

 

[Wheels]

The title wil justl be there. The feud will not and has never even remotely been about the title. It would be like the title being involved in Undertaker vs HBK at WM 26.

 

[Slushy]

Whats winning going to do for the Rock at this point?

Humble Cena's character and get some more mainstream coverage from the media for him and the company.

Didn't they send the crowd home happy last year at Mania with Rock beating down Miz and Cena and standing tall in the end? It didn't do them any favors in the long run, especially with Miz.

That was just bad booking as usual. Either Cena should've won the title back then got a beatdown from The Rock or The Miz should've won the match on his own.

It was the first time Cena had lost a singles match at Wrestlemania and it should've a HUGE moment for whoever beat him. Instead, it got ruined because The Rock interfered. I'm not a Miz fan, but that was bullsh** what happened to him.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Humble Cena's character and get some more mainstream coverage from the media for him and the company.

How exactly could Cena be any more humble? the whole problem is he is too humble, going around praising everyone that takes shots at him and even those that beat him up. The media coverage will be the same regardless of the belt, the mainstream don't give two ****s about wins and losses or belts, their sole interest is The Rock appearing, in fact if Shaq works a match that will get more mainstream media press than anything on the card..

 

[Metallo]

Humble Cena's character and get some more mainstream coverage from the media for him and the company.

Cenas already humble. TOO humble. That makes no sense.

Its going to get plenty of coverage no matter who wins or loses. Rock winning the WWE title isn't going to get anymore. Its not like he's never won it before nor is he a total outsider to the business.

 

[Slushy]

According to The Rock, its too late to apologize. You insult a man, you get your ass kicked for it.

 

[Metallo]

The Rock made a career out of insulting people. People who did nothing to him at times. And just because he was insulted doesn't mean he should be automatically booked to win.

Not even Hogan was d*ck enough to come back after the better part of a decade and beat The Rock. He lost to Rock...twice. Surely Dwayne is a bigger man than Bollea

 

[Wheels]

Cena the pansy ass kisser needs to be humbled? "Gee Mr. Rock and Mr. Kane you're both so awesome. Why are you picking on me? Look at mw!!! I'm a martyr!!!"

 

[Slushy]

The Rock made a career out of insulting people. People who did nothing to him at times. And just because he was insulted doesn't mean he should be automatically booked to win.

WrestleMania used to be viewed as a kind of "season finale" in which the good guy won, and the emotional investment the fans had placed for the last 12 months was rewarded.

Ticking the fans off at the end of WrestleMania is a very, VERY risky move. The fact that this will be happening in Miami of all places just makes it even worse!

Deliberately pissing off the hometown fans of one of WWE's biggest Superstars during the biggest show of the year just because "this guy will be around more than that guy" is not a good business decision.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Personally, I don't care who wins the Rock/Cena match. I just want a damn good match!!!

But, I do think if Cena went over and they're still building up a heel turn then I think it will best for Cena to win, just for the fans to boo him even more.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't know The Rock considered the truth insulting, I mean he's basically proven to be exactly what Cena said he was.

 

[Metallo]

WrestleMania used to be viewed as a kind of "season finale" in which the good guy won, and the emotional investment the fans had placed for the last 12 months was rewarded.

Ticking the fans off at the end of WrestleMania is a very, VERY risky move. The fact that this will be happening in Miami of all places just makes it even worse!

Deliberately pissing off the hometown fans of one of WWE's biggest Superstars during the biggest show of the year just because "this guy will be around more than that guy" is not a good business decision.

Risky? We're talking about WWE fans...not ECW fans at the Bingo Hall. Seems like half the fans hate Cena anyway and the kids don't give a damn about the Rock. Its not going to matter who wins long term. If Cena wins some guys who can't get over the Attitude Era will b**** for a little while and move on. And probably watch again the next week because Vince has been pissing them off for years and they still haven't stopped watching.

Cena wins and the older fans that hate him...will keep on hating him. The kids will still buy his stuff.

Rock winning isn't going to do much either. Are we suddenly going to see this huge surge up to Attitude Era ratings again? No. Has Rocks return caused this huge surge back to AE numbers for Raw? No

If Rock loses business will more or less be the same. The buyrate will be big either way.

We talk about sending fans home happy? What about Cenas fans. They'll make up half the people there and a lot of them don't even member the Rocks heyday. They grew up on Cena. They want to see their hero win the same way kids wanted to see Hogan stand tall. Either way half the audience is going home disappointed with the outcome alone. The thing that WILL send everyone home happy is an amazing match.

 

[bullets]

The title will just be there. The feud will not and has never even remotely been about the title. It would be like the title being involved in Undertaker vs HBK at WM 26.

Yeah, The title wouldn't add or take anything away from Rock vs Cena , it's more of a personal vendetta / dream match. I usually want the main event to be the championship match but closing with a dream match is acceptable to me. I honestly am really looking forward to it. I know Cena will win but will allow myself to believe there's another possibility for a few brief moments. I think everyone will go home happy. Cena fans will be glad he won and Rock fans will have enjoyed booing the hell out of Cena for awhile. It should also be a good match.


I think most of what Cena said about Rock is true but saying he doesn't care about the wrestling business might of been pushing it.

 

[Herolee10]

Aside from CM Punk, the WWE really hasn't done a great job in establishing credible wrestlers imho that could carry the company if both Randy Orton and Cena were to be taken out of action.

When I look at the roaster, I barely see anyone who could be groomed to have that "big" wrestlemania moment that we haven't had in a while; the one where a wrestler wins their FIRST world championship in the main event of the pay per view, with the fans fully supporting them.

I think the ONLY way the WWE will ever try to do something about their issue of lack of stars is if all of their top stars are put on the injured list, which would force them to start paying attention their current wrestlers and build them up properly.

 

[Metallo]

The WWE's need for start stall control of their midcarders and younger talent to put over established guys way too much has put them in this position. Like Hunter said its been short term thinking for years that got them here.

 

[Slushy]

I think the ONLY way the WWE will ever try to do something about their issue of lack of stars is if all of their top stars are put on the injured list, which would force them to start paying attention their current wrestlers and build them up properly.

I don't like to wish injury on anybody, but I agree with this.