The Wrestling Thread has some Veteran Advice... - - Part 204

[TX85]

You make it seem like it's a bad thing

 

[The Chris]

Just natural evolution. Reminds of Rock and HHH together, except they were always enemies. Love Rollins and Ambrose. Went from teaming in TLC to fighting for money in the bank to fighting for the wwe title in a ladder match. Just seems right.

 

[chamber-music]

head on a swivel

 

[Wheels]

Has another faction ever launched three stars like The Shield did?

 

[E-Man]

Has another faction ever launched three stars like The Shield did?

You could probably count DX. HBK and HHH are top level guys of all time. Chyna was incredibly huge for the time frame she was in before self destructing and getting tossed aside by Mr. H's. Those were the original three, and all had Hall of Fame careers. Then the second incarnation had one of the greatest tag teams of its era.

 

[famicommander]

Should be a good night for wrestling.

Lucha Underground on El Rey, the preimere of Ring of Honor on Destination America, then Impact after that.

My friend keeps telling me how awesome NXT is, and I want to give it a try, but it just depresses me thinking about how much they're going to water down these guys' personalities and movesets if/when they go up to the main roster.

I just can't watch WWE any more. Booking wise TNA has been a trainwreck on top of a dumpster fire for years, but at least they still let their wrestlers be creative on the mic and in the ring sometimes.

Guys like Bryan Danielson (Daniel Bryan), Jon Moxley (Dean Ambrose), Claudio Castognoli (Cesaro), Octagon (Kalisto), Kevin Steen (Owens), Pac (Neville), Tyler Black (Seth Rollins), etc were so much more exciting in the independent/Mexican/Japanese promotions. It's great that they're on a bigger stage and more people get to see how awesome they are, but WWE is just such a machine these days. It's so sterile and robotic.

I'm shocked they didn't give Samoa Joe a new, generic ring name (that Vince could trademark so he wouldn't be able to use it in other promotions, like he did to all those other guys).

 

[runawayboulder]

Has another faction ever launched three stars like The Shield did?

Evolution launched Orton and Batista. The Nexus had Bryan, Barrett, Ryback and Bray Wyatt.

Also the Heenan Family to an extent. More specifically, Rick Rude and Mr Perfect.

 

[Wheels]

Yeah buddy those Kevin Owens and Neville guys sure are watered down. Wait........

 

[famicommander]

Yeah buddy those Kevin Owens and Neville guys sure are watered down. Wait........

Watch any match with Steen and El Generico from ROH or PWG and get back to me.

 

[Wheels]

Evolution launched Orton and Batista. The Nexus had Bryan, Barrett, Ryback and Bray Wyatt.

Also the Heenan Family to an extent. More specifically, Rick Rude and Mr Perfect.

Barrett is a star? Evolution doesn't count because I said three.

 

[Wheels]

Watch any match with Steen and El Generico from ROH or PWG and get back to me.

The fact is if he was truly watered down then he wouldn't have been allowed to do the spots he did in his match with Cena. Pardon me if I don't mourn the loss of stupid head drop moves.

 

[E-Man]

One group that I can't believe I forgot with stables is The Hart Foundation. At one point they had Bret, Owen, British Bulldog, and Brian Pillman. Of course the issue would be if they'd count since only Bret and Neidhart started in The Hart Foundation. I guess it depends on if you want a stable that launched careers on the big stage rather than who held them. If that's the case then DX could be disqualified too.

 

[JabarR]

O.K. Who's watching ROH right now???????????????????

 

[Keyser Soze]

Finn Balor VS Kevin Owens for the NXT Title was just announced for WWE's live Japan show on July 4th, and it's being broadcast on WWE Network.

I'm calling it, Finn wins the title that night.

 

[Keyser Soze]

As for the old ROH/indie guys getting watered down in WWE, that may have been true in the past, but I don't see it so much now. Yes, some of their more extreme stuff has been cut, but I've mellowed my stance on that a lot in recent years. As these guys get older, I actually respect them dialling back the pace a bit and figuring out how to get their big spots in at big moments while still wrestling a safer, more broadly accessible style that will likely prolong their careers. I don't see it as wrestling tamer so much as wrestling smarter.

 

[Wheels]

As for the old ROH/indie guys getting watered down in WWE, that may have been true in the past, but I don't see it so much now. Yes, some of their more extreme stuff has been cut, but I've mellowed my stance on that a lot in recent years. As these guys get older, I actually respect them dialling back the pace a bit and figuring out how to get their big spots in at big moments while still wrestling a safer, more broadly accessible style that will likely prolong their careers. I don't see it as wrestling tamer so much as wrestling smarter.

That's my feelings as well.

 

[sweetre15]

O.K. Who's watching ROH right now???????????????????

Recording at home on my DVR

 

[runawayboulder]

Barrett is a star? Evolution doesn't count because I said three.

Then it's a little bit of an unfair question because it's rare for a wrestling stable to be only 3 people. They're usually 4 or more. The Shield were the first big 3 man stable I can remember since The Triple Threat in ECW and those guys were already established. The NWO were three members for only a few weeks before adding The Giant and Syxx.

And yeah, I consider Barrett a star. He's a multiple time champion, crap booking lately be damned. He'll never reach the level Rollins, Ambrose and Reigns will reach because all 3 of those guys are going to have multiple WWE Title runs in their careers but I still consider the guy a star.

 

[TX85]

Not sure how I feel about Samoa Joe's theme,I like some parts but other parts are meh. Maybe I'm just used to his TNA theme and this theme is like a remix of it in the beginning and the rest is like random hip hop or something. Probably should listening more carefully

 

[Keyser Soze]

Not sure how I feel about Samoa Joe's theme,I like some parts but other parts are meh. Maybe I'm just used to his TNA theme and this theme is like a remix of it in the beginning and the rest is like random hip hop or something. Probably should listening more carefully

I like the opening of Joe's theme, but the crappy generic jingle it then segues into is dire.

 

[TX85]

How does the success of the content on the wwe network..work? Does wwe count how many views each video get like YouTube or something more in stats? Which shows on there are the top successful/Highest viewed?

 

[Donnie Darko]

How does the success of the content on the wwe network..work? Does wwe count how many views each video get like YouTube or something more in stats? Which shows on there are the top successful/Highest viewed?

They used to list the "top 10 most watched things on the WWE Network" sometimes. There has to be some way of figuring it out, since Netflix probably uses a similar model, and I've seen some chart they released comparing the ratings of their original programming.

 

[zeroapoc]

Finn Balor VS Kevin Owens for the NXT Title was just announced for WWE's live Japan show on July 4th, and it's being broadcast on WWE Network.

I'm calling it, Finn wins the title that night.

Yeah I was coming here to post about that.

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[famicommander]

As for the old ROH/indie guys getting watered down in WWE, that may have been true in the past, but I don't see it so much now. Yes, some of their more extreme stuff has been cut, but I've mellowed my stance on that a lot in recent years. As these guys get older, I actually respect them dialling back the pace a bit and figuring out how to get their big spots in at big moments while still wrestling a safer, more broadly accessible style that will likely prolong their careers. I don't see it as wrestling tamer so much as wrestling smarter.

WWE's brutal travel and taping schedule is much harder on guys than their elaborate spots.

Look at guys like CM Punk and Bryan Danielson. WWE milked every single bit of vitality those guys had. They were both in ROH longer than WWE and they've been hurt in WWE far more often.

And for the record, toned down violence is not the only thing I was referring to when talking about WWE being watered down. They allow very little freedom on the mic, they condense movesets (not just the dangerous ones, either; grapplers and cruiserweights are few and far between), they skew the product towards a younger demographic, they emphasize celebrities and gimmicks (remember when the freaking Muppets were on RAW? and Cody Rhodes might be wrestling Amell as the Arrow? that's worse than Karl Malone and Rodman in WCW) rather than the in ring product. They don't even want their product referred to as "wrestling"; their PR department sends out nasty emails to news outlets that call their product anything but "sports entertainment".

It's the biggest stage in the world for wrestling, and they're ashamed to be a wrestling company.

I grew up with WWF, ECW, and WCW. Even though I really hate the modern product, sometimes I still catch myself watching it and hoping it will improve. And sometimes they do still get it right, and when they do it's awesome. But more often than not it's just a sad reminder of what wrestling used to be, like when TNA was trotting the barely mobile Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, or five years too late Raven out there.

And I'm just worried that these great indie/international stars are going to end up like Cena, Orton, Batista, etc: a set list of about six moves, absolutely no personality, etc. What they did to Danielson was bad enough; he had to adopt a clown persona just to get into the event scene, despite being possibly the most talented technical wrestler in the world today.

 

[Donnie Darko]

The NXT crowd was really rough on Eva Marie during her interview. She couldn't even get a word in over their boos.

I'm wondering if she will be able to shut anyone up when she gets back in the ring, or if her training clips are just highlights of the few moves/spots she can convincingly do.