BvS The Zack Snyder Validation Thread (big rant)

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Hey don't worry about what i think. You don't need my validation :)

But yea i own Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen and Man of Steel on Blu-Ray.
 
Hey don't worry about what i think. You don't need my validation :)

But yea i own Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen and Man of Steel on Blu-Ray.

The only person's validation I want is Doc Holliday's.

I hear even though he is a heavy drinker he could probably out shoot me.
I don't want to die by pissing off a drunk.
 
The only person's validation I want is Doc Holliday's.

I hear even though he is a heavy drinker he could probably out shoot me.
I don't want to die by pissing off a drunk.

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I'm like the only person who likes his Owl movie.
 
It should never be easy for the hero, it makes the victory better. For me anyway the problem is still the heroes journey along the way regardless of who the hero is. If we take this film for what it is then Clark isn't really an interesting person in the first place, he might be a good guy, but his journey to discovering who he is and his place on Earth is haphazard in its execution and at times flat out boring. Discounting what is to be expected of Superman the final battle still poses no emotional resonance whatsoever, it's not enough to say the world is at stake, that's generic, there's nothing emotionally at stake for Clark. I look at something like Dawn of the Planet of the Apes were the final climax is filled with heightened tension due to the events that transpired in the lead up to the battle. Superman and Zod's relationship is virtually non-existent for the finale to have any real meaning, nor is anyone personal to him in any great danger for a long period of time during the final act. So what we are left with is a clunky journey for a character that doesn't really lead anywhere interesting or have any great payoff at the end for him, a villain he has no real connection to other than heritage, and underdeveloped relationships with the supporting characters. This isn't even about the traditional Superman traits, it's not even really about Superman himself, it's about a heroes journey and telling that right.

Idk, I think all the things you said were missing were there. And don't require much digging to find them.
Zod was a very obvious threat to not only Clark but given how weak the military was against 2 Kryptonians, the world. A world of people Superman had shown to care enough about to save strangers. Whether the oil rig workers or soldiers trying to shoot him. Not just Martha and Lois. That's Superman.
There doesn't need to be some significant connection to a villain but I fully bought into Zod's anger. The groundwork was laid out throughout the movie. His vision, the Kryptonian culture that led to his single minded focus, the codex in Clark.
Why would there be any more to it than that and why would it be necessary?
And then the end gives us events that will unfold even further in the next movie. I for one welcome a slower build of character growth, especially in a Hollywood addicted to sequels. If it's going to happen, use it. None of this one and done, now we have our hero. Fully grown.
This young Superman, a character who plenty of people think they know and think is corny and outdated, will grow on screen.

Someone told me once that if WB was thinking about a sequel when making MoS and that's why it can be argued that he's not his fully mature self on screen at the end of the movie, then it's stupid and bad filmmaking.
No. I don't accept that. It's their money. If they want to set it up so his growth continues... I think that's smart. The long term is the best way to have a new Superman attempt to replace the image of Reeve in people's heads.
And Snyder, going all out and taking risks is the way to go.
He's not a guy I can see getting timid about "Well...what if this movie fails? Then what?!"

Sorry for going off on a tangent but my point kinda stands on the topic.
I think WB and Snyder were open to a slow growth from the beginning and I hope that's what we see play out. And I think MoS's big fight was deliberate, putting him in a position to really show what the character is about in the next movie and possibly even Justice League.
I don't doubt It'll be polarizing though.
 
I'm like the only person who likes his Owl movie.

Big fan actually. Then again, I thought Brave and Frozen were trash despite everyone I know loving those films. I'm probably not the best authority when it comes to cg toons
 
Big fan actually. Then again, I thought Brave and Frozen were trash despite everyone I know loving those films. I'm probably not the best authority when it comes to cg toons

Somehow this doesn't make me feel any better.
 
The first time i watched Frozen, i didn't really give it a chance, i turned it off after about 20 minutes. There was too much singing at the start.

Then i watched it again with my girlfriend and when i got to the scene with Olaf singing about summer... it won me over.
 
I hate animated musicals. Archaic ******** that should have died out with trad animated Disney films. Much prefer it when cg toons dont pad their runtime with crappy musical segments
 
Crappy musical segments? Did you actually listen to the lyrics of Olaf's "summer" song? It's genius writing. I'm not a big fan of musicals either but great song writing is great song writing, at the end of the day.
 
So that's it? It's a Hollywood thing? And what is asking for too much? I don't mind them kissing at some point, because I guess they have to do that, but they chose the wrong place, time, dialogue, etc.



Sure, obviously Supes should feel some empathy, but this is the guy who just leveled entire blocks of a major american city. Superman seems unmoved by it all.

Also, Zod was bat s*** crazy.



Um, OK. Well, he had that moment with Lois, no? They kiss, stop and then kiss some more before Zod appears. If Zod had fled the battlefield, would they have had sex right there before Superman decided he should "see the devastation" ?



Yeah, Bats was being reckless, and the film actually addresses that in the next scene. But Bats was reckless because Rachel was going to potentially die, and he had to escape the cops who were getting in his way.

I find many kisses in action movies to be in the wrong place and time. MOS is not out of the ordinary. I thought it was strange too.

As far as Batman saving Rachel. Same reason Superman didn't stop just yet.

Guys before Zod got his neck snapped Superman was shown too plead with Zod to not kill the family.

I guess you can say, "Oh now he does it". But it was there.

I can't really understand the notion that Superman didn't care. I really don't understand.
 
Nothing wrong with an old fashioned musical every now and then. It isn't like it's all Disney does anymore.
 
Depends on the music really, the disney output from little mermaid to tarzan is perfection to me, just great music and fantastic stories.

Frozen and Tangled brought that magic back for me.
 
Idk, I think all the things you said were missing were there. And don't require much digging to find them.
Zod was a very obvious threat to not only Clark but given how weak the military was against 2 Kryptonians, the world. A world of people Superman had shown to care enough about to save strangers. Whether the oil rig workers or soldiers trying to shoot him. Not just Martha and Lois. That's Superman.
There doesn't need to be some significant connection to a villain but I fully bought into Zod's anger. The groundwork was laid out throughout the movie. His vision, the Kryptonian culture that led to his single minded focus, the codex in Clark.
Why would there be any more to it than that and why would it be necessary?
And then the end gives us events that will unfold even further in the next movie. I for one welcome a slower build of character growth, especially in a Hollywood addicted to sequels. If it's going to happen, use it. None of this one and done, now we have our hero. Fully grown.
This young Superman, a character who plenty of people think they know and think is corny and outdated, will grow on screen.

Someone told me once that if WB was thinking about a sequel when making MoS and that's why it can be argued that he's not his fully mature self on screen at the end of the movie, then it's stupid and bad filmmaking.
No. I don't accept that. It's their money. If they want to set it up so his growth continues... I think that's smart. The long term is the best way to have a new Superman attempt to replace the image of Reeve in people's heads.
And Snyder, going all out and taking risks is the way to go.
He's not a guy I can see getting timid about "Well...what if this movie fails? Then what?!"

Sorry for going off on a tangent but my point kinda stands on the topic.
I think WB and Snyder were open to a slow growth from the beginning and I hope that's what we see play out. And I think MoS's big fight was deliberate, putting him in a position to really show what the character is about in the next movie and possibly even Justice League.
I don't doubt It'll be polarizing though.

I can guarantee you WB does not want polarizing. There's no doubt where the film ends leads to an interesting development in a follow up story, the issue is how we got there though. You can call it a slow burn if you wish, I prefer to call it like I see it, a mishandling of a hero's story, I don't see it as a deliberate move by WB to want to slow burn Superman after Green Lantern, it's entirely execution based from my perspective. There's actually a really good story underneath the surface of MoS and that's the sad thing - in better hands it could have been a genuine masterpiece. I maintain that if took away the cape and blue suit in this film there would be far more negativity towards this movie and the errors would be elevated. Take away those layers and I think the reaction would be entirely different. Contrast it to something like Winter Soldier and The Dark Knight where at their core those films could work without the costumes.
 
Somehow this doesn't make me feel any better.

The first time i watched Frozen, i didn't really give it a chance, i turned it off after about 20 minutes. There was too much singing at the start.

Then i watched it again with my girlfriend and when i got to the scene with Olaf singing about summer... it won me over.

Frozen is a children's movie but it's a very well-made one.

My favourite character was the snowman, but I get why little girls love Elsa. She's a girl in the world who has a very hard time being herself, but deep down she is beautiful, smart, and full of love.
 
I hate animated musicals. Archaic ******** that should have died out with trad animated Disney films. Much prefer it when cg toons dont pad their runtime with crappy musical segments

The only musical that I ever liked of any kind was Little Shop of Horrors.
 
I'm like the only person who likes his Owl movie.

Heck no, I like it too! Anything that Snyder touches just ends up having this grand scale and epic scope that I just love. Him and Peter Jackson can do wonders with scale and scope.
 
I don't hate any films. Hating something requires effort.

Actually maybe the Bayformers sequels. They are actively offensive though, not just unintentionally badly made.

You spend way too much time repeating yourself over and over again about the same subjects in many different threads that have been created in this forum. That requires effort. Maybe that´s why you have so many posts. You just repeat yourself way too much.

The same goes for JMC. That guy has given his opinion about the movie a thousand times. Yet, he feels the need to come to a VALIDATION thread about Snyder and repeat himself once again. It´s almost like he believes we need to accept his personal preferences as some sort of Universal Truth.
 
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I'm like the only person who likes his Owl movie.

You should get together with the only person who likes Sucker Punch and start a blog. You can call it: Punching Owls! (or something...)
 
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I find many kisses in action movies to be in the wrong place and time. MOS is not out of the ordinary. I thought it was strange too.

As far as Batman saving Rachel. Same reason Superman didn't stop just yet.

Guys before Zod got his neck snapped Superman was shown too plead with Zod to not kill the family.

I guess you can say, "Oh now he does it". But it was there.

I can't really understand the notion that Superman didn't care. I really don't understand.

Because it wasn't consistent. He was shown to care in the train station, but that came at the tail end of a sequence where the destruction of an entire city didn't seem to phase him. It feels phony.
 
Because it wasn't consistent. He was shown to care in the train station, but that came at the tail end of a sequence where the destruction of an entire city didn't seem to phase him. It feels phony.

Not only that, but the next scene is him destroying a $12 million satellite in front of a government officer which was played for comedic effect.
One complaint I had about the film is that it seemed less like a sequential story and more like a series of scenes; there was something disconnected about the movie.
 
You should get together with the only person who likes Sucker Punch and start a blog. You can call it: Punching Owls! (or something...)

Good idea, except there is no one who actually likes Sucker Punch.
 
Because it wasn't consistent. He was shown to care in the train station, but that came at the tail end of a sequence where the destruction of an entire city didn't seem to phase him. It feels phony.

There´s nothing phony about it. At the end of the fight Superman seemed more shaken than any of The Avengers at the end of their battle scene. Again, selective memory.

And the 3 last scenes, after the destruction, obviously took place a good amount of time after the battle, that´s why everyone seems recovered. Sometimes a director simply thinks his audience will be smart enough to understand certain obvious things, that´s why they don´t bother to show every single detail.

And i´m pretty sure the consequences of the battle are to be developed in detail during the next movie, that´s why in MOS they didn´t touch that subject. And also, like i said before, we don´t need every god damn action movie ending with ambulances and tv news reports. Quite frankly that´s boring and adds nothing relevant to the story. You don´t need someone to spell to you what happens after something like that. It´s just way too obvious.
 
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