Homecoming The Zendaya is possibly someone, maybe thread - Part 2

[ehh]

I don't believe she is Mary Jane. I do think there is something mysterious about her character that will be a twist reveal, however.

 

[spidey-dude]

I wasn't sure if she was or wasn't but her latest comments have convinced me she probably is and we get a transformation at the end

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the fact she says "fanboys make ____ up based on a call sheet name" makes me think she's not MJ.... the only comments that might suggest she is, is her comments on diversity and "a real new york" but.. that's likely just her standing up for the notion that "she can't be MJ due to her skin color"

 

[spidey-dude]

I think her comments were trying to throw people off, I would have been more inclined to believe she wasn't if she teased with "wait and see" or "who knows?" seemed very quick to dismiss it

or I'm an idiot trying to read too much into it t:

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Did I tell you guys that I will stop feeling frustrated about it?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think her comments were trying to throw people off, I would have been more inclined to believe she wasn't if she teased with "wait and see" or "who knows?" seemed very quick to dismiss it

or I'm an idiot trying to read too much into it t:

she also clearly spoke about loving to tease the fanbase.. she finds it amusing

 

[ehh]

I think her comments were trying to throw people off, I would have been more inclined to believe she wasn't if she teased with "wait and see" or "who knows?" seemed very quick to dismiss it

or I'm an idiot trying to read too much into it t:

Nope, you're not an idiot at all. We have a mystery character on our hands and it's fun to try and figure it out.

Hopefully it doesn't become painfully obvious that she is Mary Jane and we have a Khan/Star Trek Into Darkness situation on our hands. But so far they've done a pretty good job at keeping things under wraps, despite some rumors about the script.

 

[X Knight]

the fact she says "fanboys make ____ up based on a call sheet name" makes me think she's not MJ.... the only comments that might suggest she is, is her comments on diversity and "a real new york" but.. that's likely just her standing up for the notion that "she can't be MJ due to her skin color"

it's the description of her character ( which is just further confirmed by her latest comments ) that makes me think she's not MJ. and if she is indeed MJ, then it's certainly not an MJ I'm particularly interested in.

if you just read that description alone, and you had no concept or knowledge of the actress or the race of the character, just on the description alone, you would NEVER immediately think that's for MJ because it just sounds nothing like how here character has traditionally portrayed.

just like you wouldn't think that description applies to Peter, because Peter isn't stuck up or thinks he's smarter than others.

 

[spidey-dude]

Nope, you're not an idiot at all. We have a mystery character on our hands and it's fun to try and figure it out.

Hopefully it doesn't become painfully obvious that she is Mary Jane and we have a Khan/Star Trek Into Darkness situation on our hands. But so far they've done a pretty good job at keeping things under wraps, despite some rumors about the script.

Instances like Khan where they lie because they know people have figured it out are probably why her comments have actually had the opposite effect and convinced me she is

 

[ehh]

Instances like Khan where they lie because they know people have figured it out are probably why her comments have actually had the opposite effect and convinced me she is

I don't know what to think. Anything is on the table, but... gah IDK. She could easily be MJ. She could easily be something else, like an original character. No idea, but I'm excited and I'll roll with whatever they end up doing if the movie is good.

 

[Kurenai]

You guys are gonna have to realize sooner or later that how someone interprets a character (be it the actors themselves) can be different than how the character is actually written.

Plus Zendaya's role is small in the first movie which means we won't fully get a feel of the character which is probably why Zendaya sometimes says falls into saying "I think she's" or "I feel she's" when describing her character b/c it's very much her own thoughts, also she may be trying to add dept to the character where there is none right now.

No seriously, I feel like Zendaya's character is gonna have as much dept and screen time as Missy Kallenback did in Amazing Spider-Man which is not enough to get a feel of a character other than surface layer stuff.

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I've also looked around at other forums and have noticed fanboys are experiencing memory loss and reading comprehension failures.

1. It's been stated since the beginning when Zendaya was cast that she wasn't a love interest, but since her role will expand later on in the franchise, it's kind of obvious she might be one in later movies.

2. A character not being romantic does not equal not being a love interest. A lot of people are not romantic, but they're still in relationships...

Other than the chemistry read being that blinking light of a hint, people who saw that Spider-Man Homecoming clip at SDCC literally said that Zendaya's character likes Peter and Peter likes Liz.

In any case, this feels like a Khan/Rachel/John Blake type of situation to me, for all we know, we might get a character named Michelle who goes by MJ, but has the personality of Gwen Stacy, but who ever Zendaya is playing, this photoshoot (which is similar to Tobey/Kirsten's and Andrew/Emma's) cemented to me that she is the female lead of this franchise.

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Anyway, Zendaya at the Vogue Awards

 

[ehh]

Haven't we been told that Zendaya's role in the film will be significant, even prior to the MJ "leaks"? I find it incredibly unlikely that her role will compare to Missy Kallenback in TASM1.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Her role was always small and built later on by sequels.

That may've changed, though.

 

[scarlet-witch]

The character she describes sounds nothing like the MJ we would know. And her initial casting was described like "small but important" essentially. She's probably going to end up as Michelle Jane Watson

 

[ehh]

I can't find any articles talking about Zendaya in Spider-Man other than the MJ rumors and the initial casting reports. I do think I recall them saying how she will be important to the series as a whole, but now I can't remember what they said about her role in SMH specifically.

As far as her character, these are the options:

1. Zendaya is called 'Michelle' but her full name turns out to be Michelle Jane Watson (MJ)

2. Michelle is a fake name used on the script and for press, but Zendaya is actually just called MJ throughout the film.

3. Zendaya is actually playing "Michelle" who is an original character.

4. Zendaya is "Michelle," but this is an original character that is based on multiple comic book characters. Maybe a mix of MJ, Gwen, or Felicia Hardy.

5. Something different entirely that none of us have guessed.

 

[Arachnerd]

I can't find any articles talking about Zendaya in Spider-Man other than the MJ rumors and the initial casting reports. I do think I recall them saying how she will be important to the series as a whole, but now I can't remember what they said about her role in SMH specifically.

As far as her character, these are the options:

1. Zendaya is called 'Michelle' but her full name turns out to be Michelle Jane Watson (MJ)

2. Michelle is a fake name used on the script and for press, but Zendaya is actually just called MJ throughout the film.

3. Zendaya is actually playing "Michelle" who is an original character.

4. Zendaya is "Michelle," but this is an original character that is based on multiple comic book characters. Maybe a mix of MJ, Gwen, or Felicia Hardy.

5. Something different entirely that none of us have guessed.

Hope that's not the route they take. To create an original to become a permanent love interest for Peter in this franchise instead of using, you know, the obvious characters we know and love.

I'm putting my trust in Marvel not to make a decision that much more controversial.

 

[X Knight]

no adaptation of a character is going to be 100% faithful to the source material - there will always be changes. But, in general, the more faithful to the source material the better.

if there are changes to the character's behavior/personality, at least try to make the character look as faithful/accurate as possible.

if there are changes to the character's looks, at least try to have the character act and behave like how the character should be.

if the character neither looks nor acts or behaves like their source material, then that begs the question - why bother adapting the character in the first place?

Zendaya's MJ, if she is indeed MJ, neither looks nor acts like how MJ has traditionally been portrayed across various media and incarnations.

And that has nothing to do with making MJ a different race. MJ can be black, hispanic, or asian or whatever. But she should at least have some kind of red in her hair, if not a full red head.

MJ should be beautiful and someone who does care about her looks, even if she's more brainy/nerdy Ultimate comic MJ.

MJ should have that playful, flirty alpha female personality ( wild party girl ). And even if she's more brainy/nerdy Ultimate MJ, she should never come across as a snobbish, stuck up, arrogant girl who thinks she's smarter than everyone else.

A shy, dry, awkward bookish girl who doesn't care about her hair and looks, who thinks she's smarter than others and makes fun of others, and who doesn't even have nary a red streak in her hair sounds and looks NOTHING like MJ.

for all intents and purposes, she is..........a totally different character.

 

[Fincher]

I can't find any articles talking about Zendaya in Spider-Man other than the MJ rumors and the initial casting reports. I do think I recall them saying how she will be important to the series as a whole, but now I can't remember what they said about her role in SMH specifically.

As far as her character, these are the options:

1. Zendaya is called 'Michelle' but her full name turns out to be Michelle Jane Watson (MJ)

2. Michelle is a fake name used on the script and for press, but Zendaya is actually just called MJ throughout the film.

3. Zendaya is actually playing "Michelle" who is an original character.

4. Zendaya is "Michelle," but this is an original character that is based on multiple comic book characters. Maybe a mix of MJ, Gwen, or Felicia Hardy.

5. Something different entirely that none of us have guessed.

6. She's Ultimate Kate Bishop, and they changed her name to keep the option of 616 Kate open.

7. Michelle is a fake name, and she's someone other than MJ.

 

[ehh]

I'm doing a scan of all Marvel characters via Wikipedia.

Here is what I can find:

Michele Gonzales. But Michele is spelled differently from Zendaya's Michelle.

Unless someone can find a character named Michelle from a Marvel cartoon or something, there's nothing else.

 

[PeterBenParker]

6. She's Ultimate Kate Bishop, and they changed her name to keep the option of 616 Kate open.

Bingo. I always thought she was either Mary Jane or Kate Bishop, and with the way things have been going, it's more and more likely she's Kate. Think about it -- things are already in place, anyway.

Peter Parker is a young, naive kid who gets mentored by Tony Stark. Replace Peter with Miles and it's almost exact with the most recent comics. Peter has a best friend, Ned Leeds, who resembles Ganke more than anything and now we have a mystery character that Z's playing. Kate was very much a mystery.

The twist, of course, is that she was Hydra in the comics. As to what they'll do in the films, if she's indeed inspired by Kate, remains to be seen. Maybe she'll grow to be a hero alongside Peter or at the very least, an anti-hero. Tons of options for 'Michele'.

Some include Talon (TNAS), Miss America (whom would be original as opposed to America Chavez), etc.

The only option I don't put any thought in is someone like Gwen or Felicia. Gwen was just done and they'd want to wait before using her again (or not use her at all), Felicia would definitely be a departure based on her description of her character, etc.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Why is this thread called "The Zendaya is Mary Jane thread" if it's not even remotely proven? It's kinda misleading.

 

[ehh]

^ should be "Zendaya is "Michelle thread"

 

[marijuanawatson]

^ should be "Zendaya is "Michelle thread"

Agreed.

Like I said a few months back, I don't think Zendaya is any version of Mary Jane or any of Peter's love interests. I firmly believe she'll play some villain or superhero/anti-hero in the future, a reworking of existing characters or an original one. Hence, the importance in future installments and explaniation of all the secrecy. Description of the chracter really sounds like a villain origin story too me. Maybe Vulture's daughter? She'll no doubt want revenge after Spidey puts Vulture in prison? She's smart and stuck up and sorta bullies Peter? Michael Keaton is white and I cannot recall her name but some older black actress was cast in this movie that can play her mom. Zendaya is biracial and another biracial actress Amandla Stenburg was up for Z's role. Black female villain for Marvel and original storytelling for them with a huge Disney star attached . HS classmate turned foe angle. Just food for thought.

 

[ehh]

Oh my god, Zendaya is Vulture's daughter... and she will be called the Vultress! Sony injected recycled unused from Spider-Man 4.

Although having some connection to the villain is interesting. I remember in that MTV animated series, there was a Black Cat inspired villain that appeared to be biracial? Can't remember her name.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

I don't think she's a villain. What villain could she even be? Bombshell? Beetle? I don't see it.