Homecoming The Zendaya is possibly someone, maybe thread - Part 4

[Surfer]

I'm not hoping for that because I don't need to see "real MJ" onscreen. I understand why others do but I'm more interested in seeing more of Michelle and her dynamic with Peter.

People keep bringing up the Mandarin controversy but it's really not a good comparison at all. There is no real reason to believe Marvel/Feige were just so preoccupied with fan reaction or trying to please everyone with this MJ twist. If they wanted to be the least controversial, they would have just cast a more comic accurate MJ, as most people would have accepted that. But they tried something different, which tells me that they weren't so concerned with those who may object. That's how I see it anyway.

It's okay if you don't need to see the real Mary Jane on Screen and that you have an interest in seeing more of Michelle's interactions with Peter. Michelle is an interesting character, so I get it. However, if they do introduce the real Mary Jane that does not necessarily dismiss Michelle from being present or having feelings for Peter, no more then it dismissed her when Peter was crushing on Liz. So, I don't see Mary Jane if they do introduce her as something that would take away from Michelle's character.

As for the Mandarin situation I think Marvel got caught up with not wanting to Stereotype and instead ended up unintentionally making the character that seemed to be a well done Villain into a joke, which to me is probably even more insulting then the Stereotyping they were trying to steer away from. So there is definitely differences there, because they are not making a joke out of Mary Jane by using Michelle if that is there intent. However, you state they could have made a more comic accurate Mary Jane if they wanted, but instead they choose to go the route of Michelle because they wanted to try something different. And I agree, but that sounds exactly like the Mandarin situation. They could have went down the road with a some what comic accurate Mandarin, but they wanted to try something different so they went with Killian instead. So I am not denying some differences, but from a fans perspective it is the same issue which is about messing with the source material. Anyways just my thoughts.

Surfer

 

[X Knight]

in the sequel, Michelle will reveal she was just messing with Peter when she said her friends call her MJ.

in reality, she's starting a band called the Mary Janes with 2 girls she met online - a certain redhead and a certain blonde drummer.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

It's okay if you don't need to see the real Mary Jane on Screen and that you have an interest in seeing more of Michelle's interactions with Peter. Michelle is an interesting character, so I get it. However, if they do introduce the real Mary Jane that does not necessarily dismiss Michelle from being present or having feelings for Peter, no more then it dismissed her when Peter was crushing on Liz. So, I don't see Mary Jane if they do introduce her as something that would take away from Michelle's character.

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying the two can't co-exist (although again, I don't see it happening either way). I'm saying Mary Jane showing up is not a priority or of interest to me right now...seeing more of Michelle is. That said, the idea of two MJs onscreen, having feelings for Peter, creating a triangle of some sort is not something I want to see, at any point.

Re; Mandarin, it's not the same because the fan reaction is not the same. My saying they could have gone with a more comic accurate MJ was speaking more to the idea that Marvel was concerned about fan reaction or trying to please everyone. Clearly, they weren't trying to do that, given that they likely knew that making such drastic changes wouldn't sit well with some.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

in the sequel, Michelle will reveal she was just messing with Peter when she said her friends call her MJ.

in reality, she's starting a band called the Mary Janes with 2 girls she met online - a certain redhead and a certain blonde drummer.

I understood that reference.

 

[C. Lee]

in the sequel, Michelle will reveal she was just messing with Peter when she said her friends call her MJ.

in reality, she's starting a band called the Mary Janes with 2 girls she met online - a certain redhead and a certain blonde drummer.

Sounds more like Josie and the Pussycats.

 

[X Knight]

I understood that reference.

Sounds more like Josie and the Pussycats.

not quite.

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[terry78]

Obviously a homage.

 

[jmc]

I think the problem with this situation is it's a case fence sitting and the problem with fence sitting is nobody ends up satisfied. It's not even a similar case to John Blake in TDRK being called Robin, at the very least in that movie he acted very much like Batman's sidekick and had elements of all the different Robin's built into his character. He was an amalgamation of Batman's sidekicks so when his real name is revealed at the end, as groan inducing as it is, it at least makes sense as to what that reveal represents. Michelle has no Mary Jane attributes built into her at all, there's not even a molecule of her being a standard love interest to Peter so to suddenly have her say she's nicknamed MJ just rings completely hollow.

 

[TheVileOne]

She's not even Mary Jane. She's Michelle something.

 

[terry78]

So can we finally change the title of this to Michelle, or should we just leave it as a forever running gag until her next appearance?

 

[TheVileOne]

We still don't know her last name.

 

[Dizzy McCool]

^ Isn't it Jones?

 

[terry78]

Wat....erstone.

 

[TheVileOne]

I've seen a couple places say it's Jones, but not any official source.

I checked the official Sony Pictures documents from EPK.tv. They only list her as "Michelle." Michelle and nothing else.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I kinda like the thread title. It's indicative of how ridiculous this speculation was at a certain point.

 

[Mysteryman]

I kinda like the thread title. It's indicative of how ridiculous this speculation was at a certain point.

So, Marvel never lied about it.
They said she wasn't Mary Jane and she wasn't.

 

[Ozbridge]

When the thread was created its name was "Zendaya is Michelle" and it should have been kept that way this whole time.

Edit: Ok so apparently the thread was originally "The Zendaya is Mary Jane thread" (Part 0 and part 1 have this name, while part 2, 3 and 4, which is current thread, are "The Zendaya is possibly someone, maybe thread". Wtf I stg before it was changed to "Someone maybe" the thread name was "Zendaya is Michelle".

 

[Neno_Kos]

Feige confirmed she isnt MJ. Thank God. One mistake less easily corrected.

 

[hafizbat]

Yeah, it's pretty simple what they're doing. MJ has been done, Gwen has been done, they want a new love interest for Peter, so they made Michelle. Throwing in a nod to his classic romance, just like Feige said. It's that simple. I don't see the big deal about it tbh.

And the emo, ugly duckling girl with a crush on Peter isn't a bad way to go for a high school love interest. She is clearly going to become more in the future, and I don't doubt they'll give her red hair and pretty her up in time. Predictably at a prom or something where she makes her entrance as a bombshell. But she's going to have her own personality and character traits, just like Flash, May, and the rest of the supporting characters.

Marvel is putting their own spin on the mythos, and while you don't have to like all the changes, I think accepting that it won't be a carbon copy of the past will relieve some tension.

 

[Immortalfire]

So can we finally change the title of this to Michelle, or should we just leave it as a forever running gag until her next appearance?

We love running gags around here, Terence. You know that t:

 

[jaymes_e06]

Carbon copy and complete !@#$ off to the fans are entirely different things. If they wanted to do a new character fine, but why associate her to his greatest and most prolific love interest in his comic counterpart and not expect people calling out the disingenuousness? And then to have the audacity to develop her into Mary Jane light would be like a huge slap in the face... no more like a 150 ft. paddle in the face.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm fine with her not being MJ. I'll just chalk up the MJ line to a not great idea. I sort of understand what they tried to do, but ultimately, it was just confusing. The only people who would really understand the "homage" were annoyed by it, and the general audience all thought it meant she was Mary Jane (those who even noticed it). Overall, not a great idea.

The John Blake Robin version of this was much better executed in terms of people understanding it was a homage to a character, because it was the end of the series. We clearly understood it was Nolan playing tribute to the concept of Robin, none of us were going "wait...is he Dick Grayson?"

Whether or not you liked that homage, there's no denying it was more clear in its intent.

 

[X Knight]

Carbon copy and complete !@#$ off to the fans are entirely different things. If they wanted to do a new character fine, but why associate her to his greatest and most prolific love interest in his comic counterpart and not expect people calling out the disingenuousness? And then to have the audacity to develop her into Mary Jane light would be like a huge slap in the face... no more like a 150 ft. paddle in the face.

exactly.

let Michelle be Michelle. why saddle her with any "baggage" ( for better or worse ) associated with the name MJ?

 

[Kreem Pi]

She is MJ. She says so herself. She just isn't Mary Jane.

 

[hafizbat]

Carbon copy and complete !@#$ off to the fans are entirely different things. If they wanted to do a new character fine, but why associate her to his greatest and most prolific love interest in his comic counterpart and not expect people calling out the disingenuousness? And then to have the audacity to develop her into Mary Jane light would be like a huge slap in the face... no more like a 150 ft. paddle in the face.

Sorry, I just don't see it as some **** you to the fans.