Apocalypse Things you didn't like in X-Men: Apocalypse (Spoilers)

[marvelrobbins]

Singer was going to write for Ultimate X-Men until Superman Returns got in the way.

And X2 seems to be heavily modeled after the second arc of that series that came out in 2001.



Somewhat. But Singer then later took inspiration from them. In that canon Xavier had a backstory with Mystique, who later sided with Magneto, whom crippled Charles. Sound familiar?

Even Apocalypse had some stuff from that canon with Jean having Phoenix dreams about the world ending. Charles response to this in the film is also similar to the comic version.

yes,he michael doughery,and dan harris were going to write an arc of ultimate Xx-men.it fell apart after he signed on to do superman.

Ultimate X-Men was influenced by first film.Mark Millar admitted when he started writing it the film was only thing about X-Men he was familar with at the time.

marvel films regardless if they are from fox,disney,or sony take influence from ultimate line.even sam rami with spider-man took things from ultimate spider-man.X2 is cross between God loves man kills and return to weapon 2 the second arc of ultimate X-men.

Magneto accidently crippling xavier in first class seems inspired by magneto crippling him in ultimate X-Men.

Phoenix in films is based on ultimate version.Jean In apocalypse seems like before the ending to be a cross between ultimate X-Men and X-Men evolution
versions of Jean.In danger room scene they wanted to invoke the 1990's
version of jean.

 

[X-Maniac]

Whether it was J-Law who demanded it or not, I think most people would agree that Mystique felt 'wrong' in XM:A.

Having her be the leader of the X-Men was a mischaracterisation.

The deleted scene where Xavier asks for her help helps to make it more palatable than just seeing her in the Danger Room barking orders. It makes a better transition.

But, overall, it is still too much of a deviation.

 

[Stan Lee]

Whether it was J-Law who demanded it or not, I think most people would agree that Mystique felt 'wrong' in XM:A.

Having her be the leader of the X-Men was a mischaracterisation.

The deleted scene where Xavier asks for her help helps to make it more palatable than just seeing her in the Danger Room barking orders. It makes a better transition.

But, overall, it is still too much of a deviation.

Leader? Don't you mean trainer? Xavier is still calling the shots.

 

[X-Maniac]

Leader? Don't you mean trainer? Xavier is still calling the shots.

No. The official synopsis called her a leader. Stop trying to downplay it.

 

[Stan Lee]

Double post.

 

[Stan Lee]

No. The official synopsis called her a leader. Stop trying to downplay it.

So that synopsis spoiled the end of the movie?

Anyway, the plan was to have Mystique be the leader of the X-Men for a few second in one movie? Because this was always going to be Jlaw last movie.

 

[Frankeh]

No. The official synopsis called her a leader. Stop trying to downplay it.

Preach it!

 

[marvelrobbins]

So that synopsis spoiled the end of the movie?

Anyway, the plan was to have Mystique be the leader of the X-Men for a few second in one movie? Because this was always going to be Jlaw last movie.

well i believe snyposas overpromated lawrence's role in film.

X-men don't really form till end of film.apocalypse brings them together.

Jean is the real important female character in film.

Lawrence's star power is why mystique is idol of storm,why they have her as giving orders when they arrive in egypt and why mystique is serving as xavier's instructor of X-Men at ned but her role was primly to save nightcrawler and bring him to mansion,have seperate convesian there with beast and xavier and to be worried about magneto and try to talk sense into magneto.i mean she didn't get much to do in third act.

 

[X-Maniac]

So that synopsis spoiled the end of the movie?

Anyway, the plan was to have Mystique be the leader of the X-Men for a few second in one movie? Because this was always going to be Jlaw last movie.

I do wish we didn't have to keep going over and over this.

It's time for you to face the facts. But I'm quite prepared to keep posting this over and over until you comprehend it.

The synopsis said: " As the fate of the Earth hangs in the balance, Raven with the help of Professor X must lead a team of young X-Men to stop their greatest nemesis and save mankind from complete destruction."

She was leading the team from Alkali Lake onwards, and was quite clearly properly installed in that role at the end of the movie when she was barking orders in the Danger Room.

And what's all this "Because this was always going to be Jlaw last movie" nonsense???

The Hollywood Reporter said: "Sources say the flagship series will be reconfigured, with Simon Kinberg, overseer of the franchise as producer and writer, working on a new script. Singer, who directed four X-Men movies, will not be returning, according to insiders, but the script is being written with Lawrence, Fassbender and McAvoy optimistically in mind."

We can but hope this is her last movie, but it's not what the bigwigs are saying.

It's quite clear that you are just making things up to try to back up your claims. Look at the evidence!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Lawrence's star power is why mystique is idol of storm

Sorry but the logic in that is so stupid, Lawrence playing mystique doesn't hold any impact on how her character is seen in the movie.

In the long run its a pretty simple thing really, storm idolizes mystique because she is a mutant but more to the point a mutant that makes other mutants feel better about themselves because what she did in 1973 left a positive reflection on the world with mutants.

Its not much different to having certain people of certain race or gender often look up to someone else of the same race or gender for accomplishing something, which is just like alexandra shipps talk of halle berry being an idol for example.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I do wish we didn't have to keep going over and over this.

It's time for you to face the facts. But I'm quite prepared to keep posting this over and over until you comprehend it.

The synopsis said: " As the fate of the Earth hangs in the balance, Raven with the help of Professor X must lead a team of young X-Men to stop their greatest nemesis and save mankind from complete destruction."

Funny enough the thing about that is

The synopsis said: " As the fate of the Earth hangs in the balance, Raven with the help of Professor X must lead a team of young X-Men to stop their greatest nemesis and save mankind from complete destruction."

Professor X did not help at all, he was taken and had to be saved... but the synopsis says he helped so i guess he must have been secretly mentally helping through out raven leading the young X-Men ;p

You can interpret it how you want and read as much as you want into what you want.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Sorry but the logic in that is so stupid, Lawrence playing mystique doesn't hold any impact on how her character is seen in the movie.

In the long run its a pretty simple thing really, storm idolizes mystique because she is a mutant but more to the point a mutant that makes other mutants feel better about themselves because what she did in 1973 left a positive reflection on the world with mutants.

Its not much different to having certain people of certain race or gender often look up to someone else of the same race or gender for accomplishing something, which is just like alexandra shipps talk of halle berry being an idol for example.

I am sorry but i think if people think lawrence's star power didn't affect apocalypse they are in denial.with DOFP it probally didn't but come on it surely did apocalypse.

 

[Frankeh]

Professor X did not help at all, he was taken and had to be saved... but the synopsis says he helped so i guess he must have been secretly mentally helping through out raven leading the young X-Men ;p

You can interpret it how you want and read as much as you want into what you want.

Then you're only helping his argument that Mystique was a leader in this film because Professor X did no leading. Not surprised that you're fine with that though.

The intent was for her to be a leader and she was. The kids looked up to her, she gave them a motivating speech on the plane, she barked orders at them in Egypt, she barked orders at them in the Danger Room. Whether she got enough action is irrelevant. Whether they intended to treat Prof X equally as leader and failed is irrelevant.

This case should be closed.

 

[Frankeh]

I am sorry but i think if people think lawrence's star power didn't affect apocalypse they are in denial.with DOFP it probally didn't but come on it surely did apocalypse.

Would anyone seriously believe if Tom Cruise had played Cyclops he would've been treated the same in the OT?

Not only would the studio want to benefit from his presence, he himself would've probably demanded more screentime, more character development, more action, etc. No effing way he would've been absent for the majority of the movie like in X2 and X3.

Again JLaw would not have had to say she "put her foot down" if the intent was always for her to be out of makeup for 80% of the film. I'm already tired of arguing this.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I am sorry but i think if people think lawrence's star power didn't affect apocalypse they are in denial.with DOFP it probally didn't but come on it surely did apocalypse.

So where is the line between creative freedom and ass kissing? remembering of course bryan said he would like to see a mystique solo movie whether its jennifer in the role or not

Then you're only helping his argument that Mystique was a leader in this film because Professor X did no leading. Not surprised that you're fine with that though.

No i am saying the synopsis already contradicted the movie... i dunno what it is that you are talking about.

 

[Frankeh]

remembering of course bryan said he would like to see a mystique solo movie whether its jennifer in the role or not

Probably with an actress he could actually put in the makeup

 

[GuestStar2004]

Probably with an actress he could actually put in the makeup

Yeah i am sure that was something that totally bothered him.

 

[X-Maniac]

Funny enough the thing about that is



Professor X did not help at all, he was taken and had to be saved... but the synopsis says he helped so i guess he must have been secretly mentally helping through out raven leading the young X-Men ;p

You can interpret it how you want and read as much as you want into what you want.

That's just a red herring. Nice try.

But, regardless of what role Xavier ended up having in the finished movie, we SAW - actually SAW ON SCREEN - J-Law's Raven leading the X-Men from Alkali Lake onwards. I assume you did watch the movie???

 

[GuestStar2004]

I assume you did watch the movie???

I did and honestly it wasn't a big deal

 

[Frankeh]

But, regardless of what role Xavier ended up having in the finished movie, we SAW - actually SAW ON SCREEN - J-Law's Raven leading the X-Men from Alkali Lake onwards. I assume you did watch the movie???

Its funny that the same people who defend Mystique leading the X-Men try to downplay it at the same time "she didn't have that much action", "she didn't have a big role in the movie"

Lol.

 

[EnDz0n3]

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."

-Mark Twain

 

[GuestStar2004]

Its funny that the same people who defend Mystique leading the X-Men try to downplay it at the same time "she didn't have that much action", "she didn't have a big role in the movie"

Well is mystique leading the young group of mutants (pre-X-Men) wrong? i guess so because its being cried over.

Although for those who argue its for the actress i am sure if they wanted to kiss her ass real bad she would have at least got a little action and not been chocked out in the final and sat it out, heck she might have even got the final blow on apocalypse rather than jean getting the climactic sequence.

For what little leading she did do it wasn't a big deal, everyone just makes it a big deal based on what their view on how important the leader role is.

 

[kevork89]

I agree with GuestStar. I'm not saying that there weren't things built in to cater for Jennifer but I think a lot of you complain and complain about it but hello this is the industry. Of course the movie company is going to do what it can to keep an Oscar winner in their grasp and use her to their advantage. But also people have issues with Mystique because she's leading the X-Men and it's not comic accurate.

Have you all watched the same series I did? Because nothing about X-Men has been that comic accurate anyway. They've always taken liberties with the stories and characters.

 

[Frankeh]

I agree with GuestStar. I'm not saying that there weren't things built in to cater for Jennifer but I think a lot of you complain and complain about it but hello this is the industry. Of course the movie company is going to do what it can to keep an Oscar winner in their grasp and use her to their advantage.

Sorry kevork, but if you truly agreed with GuestStar you would know he thinks her Oscar winner/Big movie star status was not used by the studio to their advantage. Everything was always part of the plan, since 2011 in fact.

Being against Mystique leading the X-Men is about as reasonable as expecting Xavier to create the X-Men, Storm to have white hair, Cyclops to have optic blasts, Jean Grey to be a readhead, etc.

And I remember all of those things being respected in the first X-Men movie, so I don't know what leg you're standing on.

 

[Frankeh]

Well is mystique leading the young group of mutants (pre-X-Men) wrong? i guess so because its being cried over.

Not our fault we don't eat up whatever the filmmakers serve us.