Apocalypse Things you didn't like in X-Men: Apocalypse (Spoilers)

[GuestStar2004]

A bigger role than you'd expect for Mystique? No doubt. Basically making her the main character in the past 2 X-Men movies and the leader of the X-Men? No, I don't think so.

There is no doubt Mystique's role was ballooned beyond belief because Jennifer Lawrence got the role.

See the thing is in order to believe that you would have to have had some idea of what they would have done with Mystique if lawrence didn't get the career jump from Hunger Games and i doubt the idea was to push her into the background for the next 2 movies.

No matter what you think they pretty much gave mystique a role with alot of substance to it in FC, she is charles sister figure and that was always gonna hold weight on her role no matter what, yes they had other ways they could have introduced her in FC with less weight but no they chose the one with the most impactful weight on 2 or 3 of the other characters.

I am still with this believe that mystique would have had the same role no matter who played her and really there is no reason why that wouldn't have been the case either.

When it comes to lawrences role in Apocalypse i actually don't think she was given as much as she could have been given, she didn't get any action, she didn't get half the emotional battle she had in DOFP, all that people really see is that she led the team for a couple of minutes because its Lawrence and that i guess was the best role of the movie.

 

[X-Maniac]

It's difficult to say exactly how much J-Law's status affected the Mystique role.

But we do know she did not cope well with the make-up and therefore the role was changed to make her human/Raven much more of the time.

I also think that J-Law did not 'sell' the role well, her portrayal/acting (and also perhaps the writing) did not make us want to see Mystique become that central. It all seemed a bit soft, limp and half-hearted, like she was phoning it in.

In addition, seeing Mystique commanding/training the young X-Men at the end did not feel right at all. It works better if you watch that deleted scene where she says she is leaving and Xavier asks her to stay and help him. But even then it doesn't really feel right.

 

[DawnWarrior]

I've started to notice that Beast isn't really all that Beast-y. Now nothing against Nicolas Hoult, he does okay with what they give him. But the Beast I remember is supposed to do a lot more talking in big words, quoting Shakespeare, and hanging from the ceiling with his gorilla feet. Three movies in with this version of the character, and all those unique traits have been filed down so he's just the generic smart guy.

 

[X-Maniac]

I've started to notice that Beast isn't really all that Beast-y. Now nothing against Nicolas Hoult, he does okay with what they give him. But the Beast I remember is supposed to do a lot more talking in big words, quoting Shakespeare, and hanging from the ceiling with his gorilla feet. Three movies in with this version of the character, and all those unique traits have been filed down so he's just the generic smart guy.

^ He did more of those things in X-Men: The Last Stand.

He should also be peering down microscopes a lot more. It's also a rather soft portrayal.

I would love to see Kelsey Grammar's Beast again. Maybe they can put him in X Force!

 

[GuestStar2004]

But we do know she did not cope well with the make-up and therefore the role was changed to make her human/Raven much more of the time.

Reading between the lines i think she probably would have been out of make up a fair bit anyway even if it wasn't jlaw.

He should also be peering down microscopes a lot more. It's also a rather soft portrayal.

Well if there is no reason for him to be looking into microscopes then it just feels like a caricature.

He has been more of the geeky tech guy in the last 3 movies.

I would love to see Kelsey Grammar's Beast again. Maybe they can put him in X Force!

If he is in X-Men he probably won't be in X-Force also.

Although in any case it has to be remembered kelsey didn't write his character.

 

[Frankeh]

No matter what you think they pretty much gave mystique a role with alot of substance to it in FC,

So did Rogue in X1

Reading between the lines i think she probably would have been out of make up a fair bit anyway even if it wasn't jlaw.

Good that you admit you have no actual evidence. Did you read the first drafts for Apocalypse? She put her foot down. She would have no need to make that comment, joking or not, if the pressure to be in makeup was non-existent.

Although in any case it has to be remembered kelsey didn't write his character.

So what? You think he just read his lines? He had to ACT. If Hoult had played him in X3 guaranteed he would've been very different. He doesn't have the presence of Kelsey Grammer. He's meek.

 

[GuestStar2004]

So did Rogue in X1

And she was in all 3 movies.

Good that you admit you have no actual evidence. Did you read the first drafts for Apocalypse? She put her foot down. She would have no need to make that comment, joking or not, if the pressure to be in makeup was non-existent.

Unless you was in the room when they were scripting and writing the story there really is no evidence to go on.

Overall Hank wasn't in beast form all that much through the 3 movies, xavier had hair for 98% of all the 3 movies even though mcavoy shaved his head pretty early on for apocalypse so reading between the lines there was obviously a desire to keep the characters as close to how they were in FC as possible

Heck even quicksilver was still in his mums basement 10 years later with what looks like the same jacket with the only difference being he had 80s stuff while before he had 70s stuff.

And I have no desire to get into another back and forth with you over a subject that we won't agree on.

 

[X-Maniac]

Reading between the lines i think she probably would have been out of make up a fair bit anyway even if it wasn't jlaw.

No evidence of that. We do, however, know of that interview where J-Law said she put her foot down over how much she was in the blue make-up.

It just isn't a good Mystique overall. It's a misrepresentation of the character.

Well if there is no reason for him to be looking into microscopes then it just feels like a caricature. He has been more of the geeky tech guy in the last 3 movies.

He's had no arc and doesn't really embody the character that well.

If he is in X-Men he probably won't be in X-Force also.

Well, I'd like to see Kelsey's Beast again and, given that the original trilogy cast seem to be over and done with in their own movies, one way to do it would be Kelsey's Beast in another movie.

Although in any case it has to be remembered kelsey didn't write his character.

He embodied the character better in terms of voice and physicality, much of which is down to the actor.

 

[Stan Lee]

A bigger role than you'd expect for Mystique? No doubt. Basically making her the main character in the past 2 X-Men movies and the leader of the X-Men? No, I don't think so.

There is no doubt Mystique's role was ballooned beyond belief because Jennifer Lawrence got the role.

And that kind of ties into one of my issues with this movie. It is making the same choice that the previous films did. You find an actor that either is super popular or becomes popular through that character and have them overshadow everyone else. Wolverine isn't the leader of the X-Men, Mystique is not the leader of the X-Men. When are these movies going to give Cyclops a break and run with him?

I really hope Jennifer Lawrence really is sick of the make-up and everything and doesn't come back.

Mystique is not the main character of the last two X-films according to Singer, Xavier is. Mystique actually has less screentime in those films than she did in First Class, with Xavier having tons more than her.

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls072544477/

And Wolverine's focus had nothing to do with the actor but the character.

“The reason I ask is are some aspects of this film things that could not be done at the time? Telling Scott and Jean’s story is a thing you’re doing now but that you weren’t able to do at the time.

SINGER: I wouldn’t have thought to do it at the time. I really was focused on the X-Men people knew mostly from the animated series, I kind of used that as my template to be honest. I took the characters that were most popular from that series and I used those as my main primary characters.”

http://collider.com/bryan-singer-x-men-apocalypse-interview/

And Wolverine was never the leader of the X-Men in the films. Xavier and then Storm was, which is accurate to the comics. Cyclops was deputy leader and co-leader of the X-Men for most of his publication until decimation.

 

[Frankeh]

Mystique is not the main character of the last two X-films according to Singer, Xavier is. Mystique actually has less screentime in those film than she did in First Class, with Xavier having tons more than her.

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls072544477/

And Wolverine's focus had nothing to do with the actor but the character.

The fact that Mystique has overall had more screentime than X-Men like Jean Grey, Cyclops, Storm and Rogue says it all, really.

 

[Stan Lee]

The fact that Mystique has overall had more screentime than X-Men like Jean Grey, Cyclops, Storm and Rogue says it all, really.

That's because Mystique was in more movies. Even before her fame Jennifer Lawerance signed on for three films.

 

[Frankeh]

That's because Mystique was in more movies.

Well, yeah, they chose to do that. It didn't happen out of chance! The prequel trilogy could have started with the actual First Class in the 80's: Cyclops, Storm and Jean, if they wanted to feature them. But there was clearly a preference to tell the origin stories of Xavier and Magneto than of those characters.

 

[Kanon]

Well, yeah, they chose to do that. It didn't happen out of chance! The prequel trilogy could have started with the actual First Class in the 80's: Cyclops, Storm and Jean, if they wanted to feature them. But there was clearly a preference to tell the origin stories of Xavier and Magneto than of those characters.

I'm pretty sure that FC was a reworked X-Men Origins: Magneto movie, and Mystique is prominent because she is a deformed mutant, always the symbol of hated and feared mutants, like Beast, not because they had big plans for her. On the other hand, there was talk about making a X-Men Origins Mystique as well back in the day (never heard anything concrete about it, Wolverine got his, and Magneto's made it to script stage, but Mystique I only heard talk)

 

[EnDz0n3]

Thank you for bringing up Rogue.

Rogue, from X1 is an example of a character with a meatier role in the first movie but had her storyline factoring less and less in subsequent movies. Only to have her scenes completely cut from DOFP, save for a 3 second cameo.

To say that giving Mystique a substantial role in FC (ie. shoe-horned sister role to Xavier) forced them into giving her more substantial roles in the next two is just wrong. Especially when said character joined Magneto's Brotherhood at the end of that first movie.

To double down on that claim and to say JLaw's fame and "Highest Paid Actress" designation had nothing to do with having the spotlight turned up on her for DOFP's and Apocalypse's script is just plain naive.

 

[marvelrobbins]

the decsion was made back in 2009 to focus on Xavier and magneto for this trilogy.hell case can be made Vaughn made magneto begins with first class.

let's cut the bs and be frank here.Lawrence blowing up with hungar games is likely why in DOFP purpose of mission is to convince Mystique not to kill trask.
just like avengers success is why fox and kinberg decered to do film bringing
back original cast

at same time much of what passed as mystique in apocalypse was done to
sastify Lawrence.I still maintain in context of actual film Jean is more important to film than mystique

 

[Frankeh]

I'm pretty sure that FC was a reworked X-Men Origins: Magneto movie, and Mystique is prominent because she is a deformed mutant, always the symbol of hated and feared mutants, like Beast, not because they had big plans for her.

I've heard two different reasons:

1) She's one of the few characters from OT who can show up in 60's. Because she's a shapeshifter and could easily hide her age.

2) To show how she ended up with Magneto in the OT.

But either way my point was that they chose not to feature Jean Grey, Cyclops and Storm more, hence why they've had overall less screentime than Mystique of all people. Going by Charles' own words in X1, they should've been the First Class.

 

[psylockolussus]

Nicholas Hoult is awful as Beast.

 

[Stan Lee]

I've heard two different reasons:

1) She's one of the few characters from OT who can show up in 60's. Because she's a shapeshifter and could easily hide her age.

2) To show how she ended up with Magneto in the OT.

The real reason is that Singer is a fan of Ultimate X-Men.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The real reason is that Singer is a fan of Ultimate X-Men.

well i quit ultimate X-men with issue 33 so i have no idea of mystique in ultimate.I accept that singer chooce her because apart from beast she was
only character from OT that could be in FC with xavier and magneto.

the films have taken influence from ultimate X-men since X2 and ultimate X-Men itself was influenced by First X-men.so singer being a fan of ultimate X-Men is easy to believe.plus both MCU and all sider-man films are influenced by
ultimate comics.

 

[EnDz0n3]

The real reason is that Singer is a fan of Ultimate X-Men.

I would love to see where you got this info from.

 

[2kt09]

The real reason is that Singer is a fan of Ultimate X-Men.

Aren't both that series and Morrison's New X-men based off the first X-Men movie?

 

[Marvelboi92]

Still more timeline errors, some of the characters are underutilized and Apocalypse looks like a power rangers villian here. Not a terrible movie but not a great movie either

 

[Bren]

Busy watching it again. So far (again), the dumbass music that played during the first Egyptian scenes. I'm still subconsciously expecting all the extras to break out into a choreographed dance.

Angel. The actor, the fight scenes.
Alex Summer's hair
Non-Beast.

 

[lordofthenerds]

1. The plot
2. Apocalypse - powers now include hairdressing
3. Apocalypse - shorter than his horsemen
4. Psylocke - had as many lines as she did in X3
5. Jubilee- same deal as Psylocke
6. Angel- same deal as 4 & 5
7. Everything involving Weapon X
8. Cyclops - bully victim caricature who becomes a *****ebag caricature after he finds out he's a mutant
9. Nightcrawler - Wasn't funny
10. Jean- Was funny
11. Mystique - I guess we should just accept she's an X-Man who looks like J-Law 90% of the time
12. Magneto's new heartwarming backstory

 

[Stan Lee]

I would love to see where you got this info from.

Singer was going to write for Ultimate X-Men until Superman Returns got in the way.

And X2 seems to be heavily modeled after the second arc of that series that came out in 2001.

Aren't both that series and Morrison's New X-men based off the first X-Men movie?

Somewhat. But Singer then later took inspiration from them. In that canon Xavier had a backstory with Mystique, who later sided with Magneto, whom crippled Charles. Sound familiar?

Even Apocalypse had some stuff from that canon with Jean having Phoenix dreams about the world ending. Charles response to this in the film is also similar to the comic version.