Apocalypse Things you didn't like in X-Men: Apocalypse (Spoilers)

- that Angel was underused and may have died in a plane crash (he flies!)

Him being able to fly wouldn't make much difference in a place crash, he was in confined space heading downwards so while he could have tried to get out he would have to been very quick

if anything why he was sticking out of the rubble i don't get, he should have been covered rubble but i guess singer wanted to keep it open he could still be alive?
 
Magneto killed possibly millions and it ends with Xavier just saying the world was rebuilding, there was nothing said or alluding to the fact that the situation got worse or not for mutants after the events in the film or if Magneto is responsible for millions of deaths. All we got was the world is rebuilding and Eric and Xavier say friendly goodbyes.
 
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Magneto killed possibly millions and it ends with Xavier just saying the world was rebuilding, there was nothing said or alluding to the fact that the situation got worse or not for mutants after the events in the film or if Magneto is responsible for millions of deaths. All we got was the world is rebuilding and Eric and Xavier say friendly goodbyes.

There's always been a huge element of hypocrisy with the X-Men on issues like this. For all their "we need to fit into society" the only people anyone needs to justify themselves to are other mutants.

Magneto caused a huge amount of death and violence; him having to face up to the consequences of his actions and decisions and the X-Men handing him to the authorities for trial would go a good way to promoting human-mutant relations...

but despite his actions, he's their "brother" so they just let him go off on his own as he had a change of heart before being able to kill EVERYone. They're ok with him, so screw the legal system/law.
 
There's always been a huge element of hypocrisy with the X-Men on issues like this. For all their "we need to fit into society" the only people anyone needs to justify themselves to are other mutants.

Magneto caused a huge amount of death and violence; him having to face up to the consequences of his actions and decisions and the X-Men handing him to the authorities for trial would go a good way to promoting human-mutant relations...

but despite his actions, he's their "brother" so they just let him go off on his own as he had a change of heart before being able to kill EVERYone. They're ok with him, so screw the legal system/law.
This is something Xavier likely would have done in the original trilogy. Before DOFP turned him into a dangerously negligent pacifist. Have a very great day you and everyone!

God bless you! God bless everyone!
 
Spoilers are aplenty, so beware!


Okay, let me start:


2. I feel that Havok's death was badly done. I personally don't mind him dying, but I wish he remained alive toward the final battle and have him killed by Apocalypse or some of the horsemen. That way, the emotional weight would've been heavier. We could also see more of him in action since it was his last.

3. Jubillee. This one is more personal. I know she's just a supporting character. I didn't mind she was in any of the battles, but I guess I just wanted to see a display of her power. And she wasn't in the "final scene" where the Xmen were assembling in the Danger Room. Though, I guess this justifies her being more of a student at this time. Maybe it's just me clinging on to the 90s cartoons where she had more chance to show off her powers.

Agreed!

Havok died by destroying generator's blackbird. His death was completely idiot

Jubilee was useless. Jubilee in 2000's OT was better with Rogue Iceman's generation instead of being with Cyclops, Kurt's generation
 
What didn't I like? Well...

1. The lack of character development for Storm, Psylocke, and Angel.

2. Moira not caring at all about Charles wiping her memory.

3. Jubilee vanishing after the Quicksilver scene.

I'm sure I have some other minor gripes... but those are the three big ones. I loved the movie though.
 
I also didn't like the fact that Apocalypse got released because of an "accidental" incident by Moira. She left the door open and the sunlight came in and voila, instant villain. :huh:

Yep.

I started a thread that got (rightfully) closed that compared the release of the main villain that wants to destroy the world to a I Love Lucy sketch.

Whoops!
 
So Apocalypse can turn buildings to dust but he couldn't use it against the X-Men? I don't understand his powers.

I filled that in myself with a "he didn't want to kill mutants" rule.

He could exploded Quicksilver to dust but he didn't want to.

Looking back, did he actually kill any mutants? Maybe the collector like dude?

All he seemed to want is to transfer to Xavier.

Still, they should have explained that better.
 
I didn't like that they conjured up a wife and daughter for Magneto just so they could be murdered, all to make him feel bad so he can be a bad guy again for thirty seconds.

I didn't like that they killed Havok.

I didn't like that Archangel and Psylocke got no character development at all. Also that they killed Archangel instead of having him join the fight at the end.

Same for Jubilee; if they went to the trouble of having her, she should have come along with Scott, Jean, and Kurt to Alkali. Leaving her behind was a waste.

I didn't like that Xavier's fight with Apocalypse on the astral plane lasted for about 10 seconds before Apocalypse started kicking the snot out of him. Xavier should have been conjuring armor, flying, attacking him with swords and lasers and whatnot; the astral plane is HIS domain, let's see him put in a good fight before he starts losing. I wonder if they just ran out of money.
 
I need to get a few more things off my chest lol

Xavier: His naive world view felt like a regression from DOFP, invented so he still needed to "learn" something from Mystique in time for the conclusion. I didn't really buy it. As pumped as people were to see this film close with a danger room session, I can't help but think that this film could have easily opened with one if Charles was where he should have been.

Mystique: I actually like how J-Law's reluctance to wear the costume was written in. She is now hiding because her true form has become a symbol for something she doesn't believe in, and that's great. The character has no real purpose at this point though. Her becoming the team leader at the end was forced and I've had quite enough of Mystique's unnecessary dominance. Lawrence's completely dead-eyed take on the character isn't helping either.

Magneto: I can't enjoy Fassbender's powerful performance if his enitre plotline feels like a rehash. His family are walking targets from the first moment they appear on screen. Does he really need any more tradegy in his life, or does it just muddy a perfect, poetic origin? Erik has been so prominantly featured at this point that you can feel the strain to keep his story fresh. His attempt at a peaceful life doesn't really mesh with his exit in DOFP, and similarly it's hard to buy his redemption after being responsible for countless deaths.

Beast: Still hiding in human form. Yawn. He has next to nothing to do here and is still leagues away from the (much more interesting) character he's destined to become. He should be more developed after 3 films and supposedly 20 years of growth.

Quicksilver: Arguably the breakout star of DOFP, it was a no brainer you'd see him again. Sadly, "no brainer" is the operative word, as no thought was put into his return. In perhaps the most blatent disregard for continuity, we pick up with Peter in the exact place he was in 10 years ago. Same age, same clothes, same basement, and a mini arc about daddy issues that is never fully exploited.

Moira: I love me some Rose Byrne. This film doesn't. Moira exists to explain and accidentally unleash the villain. While I enjoy the cute dynamic with Xavier, she has no agency of her own and the further the film devles into the implications of her mind wipe in First Class, the less sense it makes and the more sinister it seems.

Apocalypse: The character is limp, conceptually and visually. He's rarely threatening, nor interesting enough as a character to compensate. This series has set a high standard for complex villains and he falls short. He was always going to be a hard sell. They missed the mark.

The Horsemen: All underused. Angel is there because of comic book significance but it's irrelevent to this universe and as such it has no impact. Psylocke simply makes up the numbers.

The entire film is a tired, uninspired exercise in contractual obligation. It exists because several cast members are tied into one more outing. It's set in the 80's because of a pre-established pattern. Quicksilver is here because it worked the first time, Weapon X is here because it didn't. It's a trilogy capper, a clean slate, a prequel and a culmination of 6 films all at once. There's references, retreads. It's the same but it's different. It's a jarring mismatch that is too bound to old continuity to strike out on its own, and takes too many liberties with continuity to complement what's come before.

It should not have happened, and after DOFP so beautifully paved a way forward, it's heartbreaking to feel as bleak about the franchise as I did 10 years ago.
 
I didn't like the whole Stryker/Weapon X subplot. It had nothing to do with the rest of the movie and seemed to exist only for Wolverine's cameo. That was a lot of time wasted for nothing.

I didn't like how the film introduced subplots (such as Quicksilver trying to reconcile with his father) only to not resolve them.

Speaking of which, I don't like how Quicksilver's sisters vanished off the face of the earth. They at least warranted a mention given how important the family was to Quicksilver's and Magneto's motivations in the film.

I didn't like how they kept hinting that Mystique was Nightcrawler's mother but never actually came out and said it.

I didn't like how many of the mutants were again reduced to cardboard cutouts with very limited characterization. I understand the need for minor mutants in a location like the school, but I expect a lot more from the friggin' Horsemen.

I also didn't like how the Horsemen were so easily beaten.

I didn't like how the prologue takes place in 3600 BCE, when it was clearly closer to 2600 BCE. Took me right out of the movie before it even started. It would like if in Vikings Ragnar Lothbrok sailed to England and ran into a bunch of British Redcoats.
 
It may have been answered already but Wolverine in Weapon X, how did that make any sense. Didn't DOFP end with Mystique as the one impersonating Stryker?
 
Just because Mystique impersonated Stryker to fish Wolverine out of the river doesn't mean she dictates the rest of his life.
 
Just because Mystique impersonated Stryker to fish Wolverine out of the river doesn't mean she dictates the rest of his life.

So what do you think happened then?
 
Just because Mystique impersonated Stryker to fish Wolverine out of the river doesn't mean she dictates the rest of his life.

That scene was designed to show that the slate was wiped clean and anything could happen. Probably best not to imediately contradict it.
 
They said goodbye? She's not his babysitter..

How does that make sense at all lol. We see Mystique as Stryker at the end of DOFP. And in this film Wolverine is captured and turned to weapon X. Did the Mystique who is saving mutants turn Wolverine in or did he just wake up and get captured again at some other time.

Wouldn't it had made some sense to even show him getting captured. It makes no sense at all.
 
How does that make sense at all lol. We see Mystique as Stryker at the end of DOFP. And in this film Wolverine is captured and turned to weapon X. Did the Mystique who is saving mutants turn Wolverine in or did he just wake up and get captured again at some other time.

There is a 10 year gap so plenty could have happened in that time
 
There is a 10 year gap so plenty could have happened in that time

You think they're gonna show how he got captured in his solo film then.

Just terrible you go from that ending in DOFP to this, it made no sense at all.
 
You think they're gonna show how he got captured in his solo film then.

Funny thing is that in X2 it was actually said he volunteered for the experiment and that was why Origins created that whole silver fox stuff so he would have an excuse to be up for it so it was never a thing in the movies lore that he was captured.

I mean the whole time travel idea in general doesn't explain why he is weapon X in this new timeline and in X2 that clearly didn't happen
 
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That scene was designed to show that the slate was wiped clean and anything could happen. Probably best not to imediately contradict it.

This. Don't introduce an idea if you're not going to follow through with it and definitely don't end the film with it.
 
It was a reference to X2, both logan and jean end up at the bottom of a lake and we end with an hint of a resurection. Putting Stryker as Mystique meant it was open in possibility but history will non the less repeat itself. It is both different and the same.

Xavier even beggin Apocalypse with a lecture about how things repeat themselves. XMA having it's fair reference and re-writing of older xmen movies. Like in Last Stand we begin with the sentinels and end with them in Apocalypse. One time Professor try to contain Phoenix the other times he liberates it. One time Logan kill Jean, one time Jean save Logan. (He get the needle out of his heart and stomach! So true to the personnage)
 
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ApophènX;33780483 said:
Putting Stryker as Mystique meant it was open in possibility but history will non the less repeat itself. It is both different and the same.

This is how I took that scene too. It wasn't meant to show things have changed, but that they're still the same.

The scene is played the Strker has turned around now, he's helping Wolvie' out of the water, things are different now.

But then when his eyes flash to show it's Mystique, it shows that things haven't really changed at all. Stryker is still out there and probably hates mutants just as much (Mystique was only able to save the day as she'd knocked him out, after all). And Wolverine was rescued and free to live the same life, and the same history.
 

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