The Dark Knight Things you noticed the second time

[BestGirl]

That could also be true.

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

Yeah and Ramerez (sp?) was talking to Gordon about Bats, "Why wouldn't he come?"

So I'm pretty sure they were not taking the investigation serious but had to make it look like they were.

 

[El Payaso]

I think it just means they have absolutely no idea who Batman is, so he could be anybody, even Lincoln or Bigfoot.

Except that Lincoln is absolutely dead and bigfoot is too hairy and lacks of a cowl and a cape, noit to mention he lives in the forest.

This is my point: is there a theory about Lincoln not being actually dead, as there is with Elvis? Or is there any belief that bigfoot could live in a city? Because otherwise, Lincoln and bigfoot are just random. Not even funny or "not too serious."

So I'm pretty sure they were not taking the investigation serious but had to make it look like they were.

Not a very convincing way. It's like they made the effort to make it look phony. It's like they just spent five minutes cutting out anything from a random magazine.

I wouldn't have minded some pictures of Dent, the major and maybe Wayne just to make it look semi-serious. Or at least Nosferatu or Dracula. Something totally ridiculous but remotely related to the bat-theme.

 

[Jodo]

To quote a great character....


"WHY SO SERIOUS?"

 

[El Payaso]

^ Because seriousness makes a movie better.

 

[*Id*]

I remember that. I ntoiced it the first time. What I haven't notticed after so many times is how is that funny? I mean, Abraham lincoln... what's the punchline after that. Or Bigfoot.

I think it just meant to show how serious Gordon's MCU was in their investigation that all they had were pictures of two dead guys and a creature from urban folklore on their list of Batman suspects. A lot of the audience at my screenings also chuckled at that bit, so we certainly weren't the only ones. If you didn't find that slightly humorous, well, tough luck stone-face.

Not a very convincing way. It's like they made the effort to make it look phony. It's like they just spent five minutes cutting out anything from a random magazine.

That was the point. To show how much effort the guys at MCU were really putting into it.

I wouldn't have minded some pictures of Dent, the major and maybe Wayne just to make it look semi-serious. Or at least Nosferatu or Dracula. Something totally ridiculous but remotely related to the bat-theme.

Why would you want to add seriousness to a scene that was clearly meant to be anything but? As if the whole film wasn't serious enough already.

 

[BestGirl]

Except that Lincoln is absolutely dead and bigfoot is too hairy and lacks of a cowl and a cape, noit to mention he lives in the forest.

This is my point: is there a theory about Lincoln not being actually dead, as there is with Elvis? Or is there any belief that bigfoot could live in a city? Because otherwise, Lincoln and bigfoot are just random. Not even funny or "not too serious."

It's the randomness of it that makes it funny. Supposed to, anyway.

Not a very convincing way. It's like they made the effort to make it look phony. It's like they just spent five minutes cutting out anything from a random magazine.

I wouldn't have minded some pictures of Dent, the major and maybe Wayne just to make it look semi-serious.

Pictures of Dent, the mayor, and Wayne would've just confused the audience and made them believe that the police actually thought these people might be Batman.

Or at least Nosferatu or Dracula. Something totally ridiculous but remotely related to the bat-theme.

This would've been funny.

 

[Anita18]

I always took it that they were not really taking the investigation of who Batman really is seriously. They had a batsignal on the roof of Police HQ. The Cops in general obviously approved of Batman.

Yup. Well, I'm not sure if every single one of them approved of Batman, but Gordon did, and that's all that mattered. They're too busy investigating mob-related things, they don't care about who Batman is and stopping him.

And that bit ALWAYS got a chuckle out of somebody in the audience.

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

I kinda' look at it like how Gordon answers questions to the Bat-Signal as faulty equipment. He made it sound even more obvious in that episode of Gotham Tonight. It's like, "Dude, put some effort into it! Now we KNOW you're working with Batman".

So I thought the scene was okay, but Nosferatu or Dracula would have been a lot cooler.

 

[El Payaso]

I think it just meant to show how serious Gordon's MCU was in their investigation that all they had were pictures of two dead guys and a creature from urban folklore on their list of Batman suspects. A lot of the audience at my screenings also chuckled at that bit, so we certainly weren't the only ones. If you didn't find that slightly humorous, well, tough luck stone-face.

'Slightly' is the key word here. Sure, Elvis makes a little sense, they've been saying he's alive and undercover since 1977; could be. Bigfoot? Mh, okay, he's a myth. Lincoln? No way he could ever be. There's not even rumours about Lincoln being alive or his ghost seen somewhere. It's just that kind of randomness writers think will be funny because of it just being random. Like what Family Guy does the whole time.

Why would you want to add seriousness to a scene that was clearly meant to be anything but? As if the whole film wasn't serious enough already.

You missed the point. Comedy is a very serious matter. Nosferatu and Dracula could have been funny for the same reasons, would have shown the same lack of effort respect the bat-investigation but would have been at least related to the bat-theme.

Although I'd prefer a drawing of a man-bat creature in a suit signed by Bob Kane.

It's the randomness of it that makes it funny. Supposed to, anyway.

I think the cluelessness could be funny. But a dead president is just trying too hard.

Pictures of Dent, the mayor, and Wayne would've just confused the audience and made them believe that the police actually thought these people might be Batman.

You're right.

This would've been funny.

I kinda' look at it like how Gordon answers questions to the Bat-Signal as faulty equipment. He made it sound even more obvious in that episode of Gotham Tonight. It's like, "Dude, put some effort into it! Now we KNOW you're working with Batman".

So I thought the scene was okay, but Nosferatu or Dracula would have been a lot cooler.

 

[*Id*]

'Slightly' is the key word here. Sure, Elvis makes a little sense, they've been saying he's alive and undercover since 1977; could be. Bigfoot? Mh, okay, he's a myth. Lincoln? No way he could ever be. There's not even rumours about Lincoln being alive or his ghost seen somewhere. It's just that kind of randomness writers think will be funny because of it just being random. Like what Family Guy does the whole time.

I don't understand why you think conspiracy theories about Elvis or Lincoln being alive has anything to do with the selection of list of Batman suspects. I think the filmmakers simply chose three well-known, easily recognizable icons that were least likely to be Batman i.e, two dead guys and one ages old urban myth. Something like Nosferatu and Dracula would have been cool, but it would've gone over the heads of a lot of ordinary Janes and Joes, not to mention those characters have had quite a few interpretations both in pictures and in film which makes it even more tricky when deciding which one to use especially considering neither of them has a definitive depiction in popular culture.
You missed the point. Comedy is a very serious matter. Nosferatu and Dracula could have been funny for the same reasons, would have shown the same lack of effort respect the bat-investigation but would have been at least related to the bat-theme.

Both Nosferatu and Dracula are fictional characters, and are way too obvious (and I think such overt references are quite cheap). It shows that the cops are at least trying to pin Batman's identity on a relevant fictional character. But the random selection of three dead or non-existent iconic figures means that they simply don't give a rat's ass about who or what Batman is. It would've been the same if they had pictures of Marlon Brando or Martin Luther King Jr. instead.

Besides, a lot of the audience found it funny. You didn't. But the scene fulfilled its purpose. And that's what matters.

 

[bane]

Dracula existed his real name was Vlad Ţepeş (Vlad III the Impaler)

 

[El Payaso]

I don't understand why you think conspiracy theories about Elvis or Lincoln being alive has anything to do with the selection of list of Batman suspects.

Because brains that work try to make sense out of things.

I think the filmmakers simply chose three well-known, easily recognizable icons that were least likely to be Batman i.e, two dead guys and one ages old urban myth. Something like Nosferatu and Dracula would have been cool, but it would've gone over the heads of a lot of ordinary Janes and Joes, not to mention those characters have had quite a few interpretations both in pictures and in film which makes it even more tricky when deciding which one to use especially considering neither of them has a definitive depiction in popular culture.

I'd swear Elvis, Lincoln and specially bigfoot have had a few interpretations both in pictures and in films too.

Both Nosferatu and Dracula are fictional characters,

And as fictional characters they're equally unlikley to be Batman as bigfoot and even more unlikely to be Batman than Elvis and Lincoln.

and are way too obvious (and I think such overt references are quite cheap).

Yeah, because there's a lot of money behind the bigfoot reference. They put a lot of brains in choosing Lincoln, bigfoot and Elvis.

It shows that the cops are at least trying to pin Batman's identity on a relevant fictional character.

It's not like they'll find a fictional character for real, is it?

But the random selection of three dead or non-existent iconic figures means that they simply don't give a rat's ass about who or what Batman is.

And Dracula and Nosferatu shows a lot of effort... how exactly?

I'd say Dracula and Nosferatu shows that they're simply not taking that for serious. Elvis, well, some people think he's still alive. They'll find him before Dracula.

It would've been the same if they had pictures of Marlon Brando or Martin Luther King Jr. instead.

Equally pointless, I agree.

Besides, a lot of the audience found it funny. You didn't.

A lot of the audience found funny Transformers 2. I didn't.

But the scene fulfilled its purpose. And that's what matters.

What matters is how easily the scene could be better.

 

[Polux]

The MCU not taking the investigation seriously is one way to look at it...another way I see is that maybe Bruce covered up his track so well, that no matter how hard they try (being detectives and everything) they can´t get to him, so out of frustration for not being able to find out who the Batman is, they put those pictures in there, like in a sardonic way....just a thought.

Polux

 

[*Id*]

Because brains that work try to make sense out of things.

And what a brain you have to think something as ridiculous as conspiracy theories about Elvis being alive can have anything at all to do with him being a Batman suspect! Great job trying to make sense of things!

I'd swear Elvis, Lincoln and specially bigfoot have had a few interpretations both in pictures and in films too.

The pictures on the list of Batman suspects are unmistakably Elvis, Lincoln and Bigfoot. No one can deny that. Why don't you show me similarly definitive iconic pics of Dracula and Nosferatu that are just as well known in popular culture and then we'll talk.

Yeah, because there's a lot of money behind the bigfoot reference.

You fail to grasp the proper meaning of the word 'cheap' in the context of my sentence.

They put a lot of brains in choosing Lincoln, bigfoot and Elvis.

They didn't. And I for one, can't imagine the kind of pedantic idiot who would really. It's just three random pictures of historically well known figures probably out of some magazine clippings. That. Is. All.

It's not like they'll find a fictional character for real, is it?

And it's not like they'll find Lincoln, Elvis or Bigfoot as Batman either. Your point?

And Dracula and Nosferatu shows a lot of effort... how exactly?

The thematic relationship between vampires and bats.

I'd say Dracula and Nosferatu shows that they're simply not taking that for serious. Elvis, well, some people think he's still alive. They'll find him before Dracula.

You must live around some really dumb people to have even heard about something as preposterous as Elvis being alive, let alone think it has anything to do with his photo being on the list of Batman suspects.

A lot of the audience found funny Transformers 2. I didn't.

What were you doing watching Transformers 2 anyway? I thought you were a man with "BRAINS" who keeps flexing his intellectual muscles at every opportunity.

What matters is how easily the scene could be better.

If this was something that was a cornerstone in the movie's plot or a key character development scene, then it would have at least merited a discussion. But if you truly are intent on being anal about something so trivial, then go ahead.

 

[BestGirl]

I don't understand why you think conspiracy theories about Elvis or Lincoln being alive has anything to do with the selection of list of Batman suspects. I think the filmmakers simply chose three well-known, easily recognizable icons that were least likely to be Batman i.e, two dead guys and one ages old urban myth. Something like Nosferatu and Dracula would have been cool, but it would've gone over the heads of a lot of ordinary Janes and Joes,

This is probably the best reason given for using Lincoln and Bigfoot, unlikely as they are, over Nosferatu.

not to mention those characters have had quite a few interpretations both in pictures and in film which makes it even more tricky when deciding which one to use especially considering neither of them has a definitive depiction in popular culture..

I disagree. Nosferatu has a fairly consistent image in cinema as being a bald guy with long fingers, claws, and ears, and sharp fangs. I've never seen him portrayed any other way. The problem is that quite a few members of the general audience wouldn't recognize him and therefore might not have gotten the joke. Dracula's iconic image is Bela Lugosi, and he'd be recognized by everyone.

 

[*Id*]

I disagree. Nosferatu has a fairly consistent image in cinema as being a bald guy with long fingers, claws, and ears, and sharp fangs. I've never seen him portrayed any other way. The problem is that quite a few members of the general audience wouldn't recognize him and therefore might not have gotten the joke. Dracula's iconic image is Bela Lugosi, and he'd be recognized by everyone.

I am not talking about just cinema, I am talking about how he was been portrayed by artisits as well. Now Nosferatu has most certainly a more consistent image but even he has quite a few noticeable differences across different renditions. In some portrayals he looks human with the distinct features you mentioned while in other he is almost like an abomination. People familiar with English literature can recognize either one instantly but I don't think a lot of the average viewers even know anything about Nosferatu, let alone what he looks like.

As for Dracula, well, he has had even more varied renditions than Nosferatu. Bela Lugosi is pretty popular, but even he is nowhere near as instantly recognizable as Lincoln or Elvis.

 

[El Payaso]

And what a brain you have to think something as ridiculous as conspiracy theories about Elvis being alive can have anything at all to do with him being a Batman suspect! Great job trying to make sense of things!

In fact it is makes a lot more of sense than Lincoln or bigfoot.

Elvis has been said to be alive somewhere. For someone who is trying to name any absurd theory about Batman, that one could make it and still have some remote relation with the main subject. Lincoln on the other hand...

But you need a certain basic amount of cellbrains to get the obvious connection.

The pictures on the list of Batman suspects are unmistakably Elvis, Lincoln and Bigfoot. No one can deny that. Why don't you show me similarly definitive iconic pics of Dracula and Nosferatu that are just as well known in popular culture and then we'll talk.

Yeah. No one can deny that was bigfoot, because we all know that was the very real one.

Anyways, they could have used some sketches made out of some witness' description if pics from movies are not allowed. To which I can't find a reason why they couldn't be.

You fail to grasp the proper meaning of the word 'cheap' in the context of my sentence.

You fail to grasp metaphors at all. Or comedy with some effort behind it.

They didn't.

I think that's my very point, isn't it?

And I for one, can't imagine the kind of pedantic idiot who would really.

The kind that has a brain that works. The other kind is the one that keeps being envious at those people's intelectual abilities by starting personal attacks.

It's just three random pictures of historically well known figures probably out of some magazine clippings. That. Is. All.

Mh, no effort at all from the filmmakers. Again, my point.

And it's not like they'll find Lincoln, Elvis or Bigfoot as Batman either. Your point?

That the fact that any of those characters are fictional or not is irrelevant. Opposite to what you implied with "Both Nosferatu and Dracula are fictional characters..." (as if bigfoot was too real).

The thematic relationship between vampires and bats.

So I take that that thematic relationship means a lot of effort for you.

You must live around some really dumb people to have even heard about something as preposterous as Elvis being alive, let alone think it has anything to do with his photo being on the list of Batman suspects.

I don't remember saying it was a very good and believable theory.

And about dealing with dumb people, I just have to fight them once in a while on internet.

What were you doing watching Transformers 2 anyway? I thought you were a man with "BRAINS" who keeps flexing his intellectual muscles at every opportunity.

the first one was very acceptable so I gave the second one a chance. It was my brain who told me it was a pile of crap.

But you have to admit most audiences were numb-brained enough to find it funny, the kind of people who enjoys pointless random jokes.

If this was something that was a cornerstone in the movie's plot or a key character development scene, then it would have at least merited a discussion. But if you truly are intent on being anal about something so trivial, then go ahead.

That's the classic mediocrity's maxim: why should I bother with this if it's not what people will notice the most.

 

[El Payaso]

I disagree. Nosferatu has a fairly consistent image in cinema as being a bald guy with long fingers, claws, and ears, and sharp fangs. I've never seen him portrayed any other way. The problem is that quite a few members of the general audience wouldn't recognize him and therefore might not have gotten the joke. Dracula's iconic image is Bela Lugosi, and he'd be recognized by everyone.

People who didn't even know X-Men were comic books character probably didn't get the "yellow spandex" joke. Was not a big deal.

 

[BestGirl]

People who didn't even know X-Men were comic books character probably didn't get the "yellow spandex" joke. Was not a big deal.

I would argue Lincoln being dead and Bigfoot not being real isn't a big deal either. It was a quick throwaway gag, one you obviously didn't like but lots of other people did.

On topic: I noticed during the party scene, the goon Joker throws at Batman is at first standing with his back to the fight before the Joker grabs him. He's supposed to be watching the hostages but he comes off like he's clueless there's even a fight going on.

 

[*Id*]

In fact it is makes a lot more of sense than Lincoln or bigfoot.

Elvis has been said to be alive somewhere. For someone who is trying to name any absurd theory about Batman, that one could make it and still have some remote relation with the main subject. Lincoln on the other hand...

But you need a certain basic amount of cellbrains to get the obvious connection.

Yet you are the one who believes that Elvis is alive somewhere and attributes that as a reason for his picture on the list of Batman suspects, when (like RachelDawes said) it was meant to be nothing more than a quick throwaway gag. So much for all your talk about brains.

Yeah. No one can deny that was bigfoot, because we all know that was the very real one.

Nice way of dodging the question. But in this part of my post I never said anything about them being "real" but rather instantly recognizable by anyone. That's the kind of dumb mistakes you make when you try to act smarter than you really are.

Anyways, they could have used some sketches made out of some witness' description if pics from movies are not allowed. To which I can't find a reason why they couldn't be.

Why would they when the very intention of the scene was to show that they just didn't care to investigate who was Batman in the first place?

You fail to grasp metaphors at all. Or comedy with some effort behind it.

Oh, you were trying to be funny? I guess your jokes are as dumb as your wits then.

The kind that has a brain that works. The other kind is the one that keeps being envious at those people's intelectual abilities by starting personal attacks.

Delusions of grandeur from someone who can't even spell their "intelectual" abilities properly, let alone claim to have any.

That the fact that any of those characters are fictional or not is irrelevant. Opposite to what you implied with "Both Nosferatu and Dracula are fictional characters..." (as if bigfoot was too real).

Bigfoot may not be real, but it is a real-life urban legend. There have been studies, investigations and research on it. Compared to Dracula and Nosferatu who have absolutely no basis in real life.

So I take that that thematic relationship means a lot of effort for you.

Not for me, but the cops who are supposed to be investigating the true identity of Batman.

I don't remember saying it was a very good and believable theory.

But it's good enough for you to think that the writer would factor it as a reason for including Elvis as a possible Batman suspect. Oy.

And about dealing with dumb people, I just have to fight them once in a while on internet.

Yeah, we know.

the first one was very acceptable so I gave the second one a chance. It was my brain who told me it was a pile of crap.

But you have to admit most audiences were numb-brained enough to find it funny, the kind of people who enjoys pointless random jokes.

Yeah, the same "numb-brained people" who went to see the first one were stupid enough to see the second in theaters.

That's the classic mediocrity's maxim: why should I bother with this if it's not what people will notice the most.

No, it's the classic insignificant maxim: why should anyone bother with this if it is so petty and trivial. Because I'd love to hear your explain as to why a harmless throwaway gag is so important to you as to warrant such a thorough and substantial examination.

By the way, I find it hilarious that you with your 'SUPERIOR INTELLECT', turned your brains off for two hours to deem the first Transformers (or mindless Michael Bay film with big explosions and robots beating the crap out of each other) as 'acceptable' but not for a two second casual joke from TDK. Ah, the burden of genius.

 

[C. Lee]

Let me get this right......you guys are arguing about how relevant bigfoot's pic was in the plot of TDK?


Looks like we won't see the cure for cancer this month.

 

[BubbaGump]

Let me get this right......you guys are arguing about how relevant bigfoot's pic was in the plot of TDK?


Looks like we won't see the cure for cancer this month.

Nolan is also becoming Seth Macfarlane.

 

[*Id*]

Let me get this right......you guys are arguing about how relevant bigfoot's pic was in the plot of TDK?

Looks like we won't see the cure for cancer this month.

Who gives a crap about curing cancer when we can exercise our superior intellect on far more "important" things like how to improve a two second joke in TDK? If the filmmakers can't be bothered to put more thought into it then dammit we will!

 

[Anita18]

Let me get this right......you guys are arguing about how relevant bigfoot's pic was in the plot of TDK?


Looks like we won't see the cure for cancer this month.

Exactly my thought.

Don't worry, I'm the one actually working in a cancer research lab. t: