The Amazing Spider-Man This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume?

[Ace of Knaves]

See that is PERFECT. He isn't wearing skin tight spandex/lycra like in his early appearances. It's a type of armour. But he still looks like the Green Goblin.

 

[The IronMan]

goblin serum, transformation regular costume. the armored mask in the first movie just didnt do it for me

 

[Vile]

He must have the glider and weapons!

Transformation: YES.

but keep the damn weapons!

 

[The Slang]

The Goblin is Spider-mans joker. Where the joker is a maniac with a circus theme. The Goblin is a maniac with a halloween theme (Stan even said he came up the character near halloween). With the addition of a flying machine/super strength to combat Spider-mans superior (to batman) mobility/strength. I bet raimis regretful about how he portrayed the goblin after seeing the dark knight. GG was meant to be equally (maybe more so) twisted and devious than the joker. The ultimate goblin is stupid. It wouldn't be too hard to make a decent costume based on the comic design, in my opinion its the barney-the-dinosaur-purple coloured suit that'd be the most work. Change it to a darker marone for starters. And do something with the legs so it doesn't look like he's in his underwear.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I've NEVER liked the physical transformation idea.

 

[The Bat-Man]

I've never been a fan of the physical transformation, either, but I think some sort of mix of a transformation and the costume would be cool. The picture on the last page is a nice idea. Something that gets us the classic Goblin look, or at least something similar to it, but also makes some sort of sense and doesn't look totally silly.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

What about, if he flew from his flatulence?

 

[chaseter]

The best part of Norman/GG was that he could take off the mask and be sneaky as his old self. No one knew that Norman was the GG and he used it to his advantage. Him transforming into a Gremlin Hulk is stupid.

I'd love that idea of Norman physically changing instead of using a mask.

We have a character like that, Lizard. No one wants to see Norman transform into a hulking green monster and then Connors transform into a hulking green monster.

 

[MrShifty]

well I remember in the first Spider-Man, Norman collected Voodoo masks on his wall resembling Goblins. Is it so unbelievable that he would take on this persona after losing his mind to the serum.

 

[chaseter]

I personally think it would look good if they mix GG and Hob Goblin's costumes to make a scary, realistic, evil looking GG. Hob's torn cape is scary looking and he just looks all around more menacing than GG.

 

[El Payaso]

We have a character like that, Lizard. No one wants to see Norman transform into a hulking green monster and then Connors transform into a hulking green monster.

But we already have other characters wearing masks and suits to over their identities, so does that mean that we can rule the suit and mask idea as well?

Btw, I am talking about a physical transformation to a Green Goblin not a hulking anything.

well I remember in the first Spider-Man, Norman collected Voodoo masks on his wall resembling Goblins. Is it so unbelievable that he would take on this persona after losing his mind to the serum.

It makes little sense. Yes, he collects masks, but what are their importance for him. In the movie it felt like Norman just made a random decision.

 

[Nathan]

It'd be a compromise I'm willing to accept. Having Norman transform into the classic Green Goblin, but still using tech. Though I'm still hoping for the normal Goblin costume.

 

[chaseter]

But we already have other characters wearing masks and suits to over their identities, so does that mean that we can rule the suit and mask idea as well?

Btw, I am talking about a physical transformation to a Green Goblin not a hulking anything.

Ultimate GG is a scaley huge monster in the Ultimateverse. It is exactly like Lizard in every single way...it is pathetic. What they did to GG is probably one of the worst abortions of a comic character EVER. No physical transformation at all that make Norman unrecognizeable...period.

Norman needs to be Norman when he wants to be. Him transforming into a Green Skinned Halloween character is dumb. Norman is deceptive, he needs to be able to be himself when the situation calls for it. He still has a son he loves and he can't do that as a Gremlin. GG needs to be a mask/costume. Now, it is fine if Norman takes a serum or supplements to gain more muscle and agility but he doesn't need to turn into a Green Meanie. If you are suggesting that there be a Goblim serum and he turns into the Joker but with green skin and ears...then that is a big no from me

 

[Nathan]

Norman is deceptive, he needs to be able to be himself when the situation calls for it.

He could still be himself when he needs to be, if he has the ability to control his transformation.

I'm not saying he should transform, I still want the mask, but if they want to go the transformation route, I'm hoping for a classic Goblin transformation.

 

[Artistsean]

I say compromise on that too, if they had Norman transform (looking like the Goblin from the comics) but use all the tech (like his glider and bombs), and he could decide to wear his purple costume.
Imagine the green parts are skin, and the purple is costume and tech:

But yeah, I would rather it be just like the comics (and the first movie) in that he wears a costume. He is deceptive, insane and brilliant. He not only uses the Goblin character to get what he wants, but the Norman Osborne character to get what he wants. he does need both.
But if they HAD to, which I would prefer they didn't, have him transform it should be like this:
The Goblin part of the costume, the green scales and face are real and the purple are his costume. hat would be my compramise.

 

[chaseter]

He could still be himself when he needs to be, if he has the ability to control his transformation.

I'm not saying he should transform, I still want the mask, but if they want to go the transformation route, I'm hoping for a classic Goblin transformation.

Transforming is lame. If they want to keep this in the realm of believability, then him grabbing his face, screaming, then sprouting ears, green skin, and bug eyes isn't going to cut it. The Lizard is the ultimate story of transformation and I don't want to see this series get repetitive like Raimi's did...and I want to see the Lizard. There are also a ton of science experiments gone wrong themes in the Spidey verse and I don't want to see every villain get that. Norman being evil and designing those evil things is way better than him transforming into that.

Norman is smart, cunning, and deceptive. I think him using tech and a costume to intimidate Spidey is much more effective than him accidentally turning into the Green Meanie. There is so much more symbolism in him picking or designing his costume than him just transforming into a Gremlin.

 

[El Payaso]

Ultimate GG is a scaley huge monster in the Ultimateverse. It is exactly like Lizard in every single way...it is pathetic. What they did to GG is probably one of the worst abortions of a comic character EVER. No physical transformation at all that make Norman unrecognizeable...period.

Norman needs to be Norman when he wants to be. Him transforming into a Green Skinned Halloween character is dumb. Norman is deceptive, he needs to be able to be himself when the situation calls for it. He still has a son he loves and he can't do that as a Gremlin. GG needs to be a mask/costume. Now, it is fine if Norman takes a serum or supplements to gain more muscle and agility but he doesn't need to turn into a Green Meanie. If you are suggesting that there be a Goblim serum and he turns into the Joker but with green skin and ears...then that is a big no from me

Well, first of all I'm not talking about Ultimate anything here. I just think a transformation as a result of the serum could be more convincing than a mask (a mask that's not rigid as in SM1 and not unconvincing cheap rubber either, and I don't think make-up is in order for the character).

But I'm not against a good suit, as long as it makes sense. Why is it a goblin, why is it green and Haloween-related.

 

[Nathan]

And Norman can still be smart, cunning and deceptive. You really just seem to be skimming the posts. The compromise we'd be willing to accept, is him transforming into the classic Goblin, but still relying on tech. No super jump or fireballs like Ultimate Goblin. He'd still be using the glider and bombs.

And sure, it would be somewhat similar to the Lizard, but unlike the Lizard, Norman would be in full control once transformed and can transform into human or Goblin form whenever he chooses.

 

[chaseter]

Well, first of all I'm not talking about Ultimate anything here. I just think a transformation as a result of the serum could be more convincing than a mask (a mask that's not rigid as in SM1 and not unconvincing cheap rubber either, and I don't think make-up is in order for the character).

But I'm not against a good suit, as long as it makes sense. Why is it a goblin, why is it green and Haloween-related.

Well he transforms into Ultimate Goblin and that deals with transformation. I just don't want that any where near any of these movies ever.

Transforming as a result of a serum is not more convincing. He physically changes. The Lizard serum is far more convincing. Does Norman use Goblin blood?

I don't want a silly mask either. There are so many options that I think could work costume wise but him transforming into a green skinned man with bug eyes and pointy ears isn't scary or convincing. I certainly think a suit would make more sense than a goblin inducing serum. Also, the duo personality of Norman and Goblin needs to be in him at the same time. Norman the man is just as evil as GG. He just has to have the costume on to do those horrible things. I just don't like the idea of Norman being innocent and then transforming into a monster that does bad things to people.

 

[chaseter]

And Norman can still be smart, cunning and deceptive. You really just seem to be skimming the posts. The compromise we'd be willing to accept, is him transforming into the classic Goblin, but still relying on tech. No super jump or fireballs like Ultimate Goblin. He'd still be using the glider and bombs.

And sure, it would be somewhat similar to the Lizard, but unlike the Lizard, Norman would be in full control once transformed and can transform into human or Goblin form whenever he chooses.

I am not skimming the posts...I don't want any visible Goblin transformations period. I think it is stupid to have a man physically transform into a Gremlin, the Ultimate or the Classic version.

I don't want to see a fake looking Goblin by them using prosthetics on the actors and I don't want to see silly CGI of a cartoon looking Goblin.

 

[Nathan]

Transforming as a result of a serum is not more convincing. He physically changes. The Lizard serum is far more convincing. Does Norman use Goblin blood?

I don't want a silly mask either. There are so many options that I think could work costume wise but him transforming into a green skinned man with bug eyes and pointy ears isn't scary or convincing.

I'd alter his appearance. Something that doesn't look exactly like a Goblin from the fantasy books, but still somewhat reminicent of his classic look. A mix between his classic appearance and Alex Ross's movie design.

He'd still have point ears, but not as big as in the comics and I'd get rid of the bug eyes and make them real evil and sinister looking. I love the eyes on Alex Ross's Goblin.

I certainly think a suit would make more sense than a goblin inducing serum. Also, the duo personality of Norman and Goblin needs to be in him at the same time. Norman the man is just as evil as GG. He just has to have the costume on to do those horrible things. I just don't like the idea of Norman being innocent and then transforming into a monster that does bad things to people.

And who says Norman would be innocent? If you let him be in full control and be able to control the transformation, it would still be him consciously doing evil things as the Goblin.

I don't want to see a fake looking Goblin by them using prosthetics on the actors and I don't want to see silly CGI of a cartoon looking Goblin.

Well, it doesn't matter whether he transform or has a mask. If you want a classic Goblin and not another repeat of Raimi's Goblin, prosthetics will come into play. Because there are no masks like the comics that let him move the face perfectly.

 

[Artistsean]

Transforming is, in a way, more realistic because its more believable than Norman deciding to wear a goofy costume. That's what, I think, the studio originally thought. That's why they asked Alex Ross to design a transformed Norman Green Goblin.
They were trying to explain away the costume, same reason why they used the Flight suit and helmet idea (and why Norman has a collection of masks in his house).
So, having Norman transform into the classic Goblin (and wear purple gear) would explain it all way. That would maybe stop the audience from worry about his silly costume. The studio doesn't want to loose the audience's attention because they are confused or don't believe in any part of the story.

Still, I think they should keep Norman in a costume.

 

[chaseter]

Transforming is, in a way, more realistic because its more believable than Norman deciding to wear a goofy costume. That's what, I think, the studio originally thought. That's why they asked Alex Ross to design a transformed Norman Green Goblin.
They were trying to explain away the costume, same reason why they used the Flight suit and helmet idea (and why Norman has a collection of masks in his house).
So, having Norman transform into the classic Goblin (and wear purple gear) would explain it all way. That would maybe stop the audience from worry about his silly costume. The studio doesn't want to loose the audience's attention because they are confused or don't believe in any part of the story.

Still, I think they should keep Norman in a costume.

Transforming is in no way more realistic. Now Connors using lizard DNA and therefore transforming into a lizard is more believable than Norman making a compound that causes him to sprout ears and green skin in a weregoblin inducing transformation.

A mask is going to look better and be more convincing than a transformation. Prosthetics can look dumb and there is a fine line for CGI to make it look believable and not cartoony. Why even risk that?

 

[Nathan]

Transforming is in no way more realistic. Now Connors using lizard DNA and therefore transforming into a lizard is more believable than Norman making a compound that causes him to sprout ears and green skin in a weregoblin inducing transformation.

It wouldn't be any more unrealistic than Banner transforming into green giant, just because he was exposed to gamma radiation. The transformation would simply be an unexpected side-effect from the serum. And to not make it too goofy looking, they should simply downplay the Goblin characteristics.

A mask is going to look better and be more convincing than a transformation. Prosthetics can look dumb and there is a fine line for CGI to make it look believable and not cartoony. Why even risk that?

Like I said earlier, if you want a mask that looks like a clasic Goblin and not another repeat of Raimi's version, prosthetics will come into play anyway.

 

[Artistsean]

I'm not saying the outcome would be unreal looking compared to just saying its a mask,
imagine the best FX ever making the Goblin look sooo good.
What I am saying is that the transformation explains away the costume, why Norman would become super strong, smart, and then decide to wear a costume. His reasoning would have to be better than I wanted to be a supervillain.

So in the Raimi movies the explained it away by making it a flight suit and helmet, if they went the transformation rout it is explained away by not using a costume at all. The Goblin is his mutated form, his purple his his Goblin clothing.

I am also trying to imagine the studios reasoning for it, I for one want the costume.