Thor 2 Dark World news, speculation and pictures possible Spoilers - - - - - - - - Part 17

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah I have to agree with Darth on this guys. It was established in "Thor" that Odin had forbidden ANYONE to go to the Frost Giants planets, and Thor wasn't exactly thinking like a Asgardian Prince should when marching into that territory.

He didn't care or know what his actions could/would bring, something that even Laufey was aware of and allowed Thor to go at first.

Once again, I have to ask if he would have just decided to run off to the Jotun's world if Loki had not done what he did?

Is the supposition here that had Loki NOT done anything on the coronation day that Thor's first act as king would be, out of nowhere, to launch an attack on Jotunheim? Thor's reaction, was visceral and emotional to the Frost Giant's infiltration. Odin's was more taciturn. But can we really say that Thor had NO reason to be angered? Not just at his ceremony being disrupted (He does not deny that "his day" was ruined) but for all of the very good reasons he himself states. In the end Odin is much more correct in his stance than Thor.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes. Thor is sent by his father to Midgard to gain experience and wisdom under duress to make him a better... UM... God. Thor did let his emotions get the better of him. I'm not denying that. But Loki IS the person whose actions started that ball rolling. A ball rolling through the blood not only of Asgardians, but of his people of origin as well, cuz you can't make me believe that the Bifrost beam did not end up killing a crapload of Jotuns before Thor went all smashy-smashy.

Let's also not forget that when on Earth, which for his plans was totally uncalled for, Loki AGAIN decides to twist the knife by telling Thor Odin was dead and that Frigga was so angered she never wanted to see him again. Despite my bringing up the Asgardian guards multiple times, really, THIS is when Loki lost a ton of sympathy from me. This was when I said, "OK, he's just being a bastard now. The guy is exiled, no need to defecate in his mouth not too!"

What about all the beings Thor killed when he smashed them and then destroyed miles of ice? Where do you think the Giants fell? On clouds?

And the best thing that ever happened to Thor was Loki's lies. Odin didn't send Thor to Earth to gain experience or wisdom under duress. He sent him there to learn responsibility. To learn how his actions can effect others and how fathers and kings put their children/people before themselves. To learn what it means to be a man, a father, a king. None of this gets through his head until he thinks he is responsible for his father's death.

Once again, I have to ask if he would have just decided to run off to the Jotun's world if Loki had not done what he did?

Is the supposition here that had Loki NOT done anything on the coronation day that Thor's first act as king would be, out of nowhere, to launch an attack on Jotunheim? Thor's reaction, was visceral and emotional to the Frost Giant's infiltration. Odin's was more taciturn. But can we really say that Thor had NO reason to be angered? Not just at his ceremony being disrupted (He does not deny that "his day" was ruined) but for all of the very good reasons he himself states. In the end Odin is much more correct in his stance than Thor.

I feel like you watched another movie. Thor is only thinking about himself.

The entire film is about teaching Thor responsibility and then you just ignore it. Loki couldn't make him do anything. Loki is responsible for his actions and Thor is responsible for his own. It really isn't that hard.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What about all the beings Thor killed when he smashed them and then destroyed miles of ice? Where do you think the Giants fell? On clouds?

And the best thing that ever happened to Thor was Loki's lies. Odin didn't send Thor to Earth to gain experience or wisdom under duress. He sent him there to learn responsibility. To learn how his actions can effect others and how fathers and kings put their children/people before themselves. To learn what it means to be a man, a father, a king. None of this gets through his head until he thinks he is responsible for his father's death.


I feel like you watched another movie. Thor is only thinking about himself.

The entire film is about teaching Thor responsibility and then you just ignore it. Loki couldn't make him do anything. Loki is responsible for his actions and Thor is responsible for his own. It really isn't that hard.

DS, I like you a lot. Really and truly. You are clever and funny and quite knowledgeable. But please I ask that you suspend the condescending tone and manner of communication. I'm a grown man of 37 years. I have no problem going back and forth on this, but please let's not turn this into a "thing" just because you simply must get in some biting snark, because EVERY convo on the internet must have it. I think I am being respectful to you. I think I should get it in return.

 

[Lady Marion]

Can someone PLEASE post this onto tumblr, thanks ahead of time!

http://sf-fantasy.suvudu.com/2013/10/poll-what-2013-movie-are-you-most-looking-forward-to.html

Done! I hope it works for Thor. Not, that the people over there instead vote for the other films. lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

DS, I like you a lot. Really and truly. You are clever and funny and quite knowledgeable. But please I ask that you suspend the condescending tone and manner of communication. I'm a grown man of 37 years. I have no problem going back and forth on this, but please let's not turn this into a "thing" just because you simply must get in some biting snark, because EVERY convo on the internet must have it. I think I am being respectful to you. I think I should get it in return.

If you don't want to have a conversation, we don't have to. I don't think your sex or age is all that relevant. I communicate the same with everyone here. Go ask SPIDEY. A little snark well within bounds does not require an entire post on it imo. Especially when you ignored the vast majority of my post.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If you don't want to have a conversation, we don't have to. I don't think your sex or age is all that relevant. I communicate the same with everyone here. Go ask SPIDEY. A little snark well within bounds does not require an entire post on it imo. Especially when you ignored the vast majority of my post.

At no point in my posts did I type anything about you "not getting it" or the like. I've not implicitly disparaged your ability to understand a fairly simple film which kind of implies that I must be stupid. I was having a good time, I have no problemo with having a disagreement, it just does not have to get heated. And it gets heated when slowly in the convo one side starts slipping in either explicit or implicit little jabs. I never said you just don't get it, or are some simpleton who could not understand the film. I think I was writing in a respectful manner towards you. Maybe I was mistaken on my part, but I felt I was, ya know, giving my ideas on the subject at hand. I don't think I have been ignoring what you have posted in the least. But... That's how it goes sometimes. I'll drop this now.

Namaste.

 

[kosh33]

any chance thor gets banished again by odin for freeing loki? maybe this time the banishment will be with an allowance of powers, but no entry back to asgard until loki is captured

 

[Moonwing]

any chance thor gets banished again by odin for freeing loki? maybe this time the banishment will be with an allowance of powers, but no entry back to asgard until loki is captured

I do not think so, as it would be a clear repeat of the first film`s situation just with different motivation. I guess he will let his son chose where to be: at home or on earth with humans and his mortal woman. Predictable Thor will chose humans and woman and will return to Asgard only in Thor 3 (if there will be one) staying on earth before,during and after Avengers sequel.

 

[kosh33]

maybe thor takes a vow to not return without loki..

 

[Moonwing]

maybe thor takes a vow to not return without loki..

Maybe but I don't know, I have a theory that party redeem himself in his brothers eyes and so when he inevitably escapes Thor will do one thing he can- do not peruse him.

 

[Herolee10]

Once again, I have to ask if he would have just decided to run off to the Jotun's world if Loki had not done what he did?

Is the supposition here that had Loki NOT done anything on the coronation day that Thor's first act as king would be, out of nowhere, to launch an attack on Jotunheim? Thor's reaction, was visceral and emotional to the Frost Giant's infiltration. Odin's was more taciturn. But can we really say that Thor had NO reason to be angered? Not just at his ceremony being disrupted (He does not deny that "his day" was ruined) but for all of the very good reasons he himself states. In the end Odin is much more correct in his stance than Thor.

Even IF Loki had not done what he did regarding letting the Frost Giants into Asgard and disrupting Thor's ceremony, with the way Thor was at that stage in his life, it would only be a matter of time before he would come across a situation, Loki-free, where he would have made a rash decision that would have placed countless amounts of lives at risk because that's who Thor was at that time.

And even with Loki's misgivings at that moment in the film, for all intended purposes, Thor was about to be crowned King, which is something that he was preparing for quite some time so he should have acted like one.

Loki isn't responsible for Thor having been a rash, hot tempered, and somewhat arrogant prince back then.

 

[Mjölnir]

I agree with KRYPTON INC, Loki is the cause of all the bad events that happen in Thor and The Avengers.

That doesn't mean that nothing bad would have happened without him, or that Thor wasn't a bad person at the start of his movie. Loki's scheme relies on that Thor is highly flawed. It's not Loki's fault that Thor is like he is but it's still Loki that's the cause of those outbursts as he's playing Thor to do exactly what he wants.

Thor would also likely have started war as king at some point, but none of this change that when it comes to the bad things that actually do happen in the movies Loki is the original cause.

The good part is that Loki isn't an excuse for Thor's behavior. The fact that Loki is behind everything just means that he's a very competent schemer.

 

[cherokeesam]

I agree with KRYPTON INC, Loki is the cause of all the bad events that happen in Thor and The Avengers.

That doesn't mean that nothing bad would have happened without him, or that Thor wasn't a bad person at the start of his movie. Loki's scheme relies on that Thor is highly flawed. It's not Loki's fault that Thor is like he is but it's still Loki that's the cause of those outbursts as he's playing Thor to do exactly what he wants.

Thor would also likely have started war as king at some point, but none of this change that when it comes to the bad things that actually do happen in the movies Loki is the original cause.

The good part is that Loki isn't an excuse for Thor's behavior. The fact that Loki is behind everything just means that he's a very competent schemer.

Exactly.
Loki is a skilled manipulator. He (usually) tries not to dirty his own hands, but instead finds the psychological weaknesses in his opponents and forces them to undo themselves; just like Iago in Shakespeare's "Othello," for anybody who knows what I'm talking about.

I have a different read than some of you on Thor's coronation scene in Thor 1, though. Rather than it being simply a case of Thor being petty because "his day was disrupted," I think it was pretty clear that the reason he went to Jotunheim was a kneejerk reaction to enemies invading his homeland. Perhaps the right thing to do would have been to actually investigate the infiltration further, maybe even demand that Laufey turn over the accused for an actual trial to stand justice; but Thor just said, "**** it, they invaded us, we're going to war." (Suspiciously, and probably not coincidentally, like George Dubya Bush in 2001.)

Yes, it's still about Thor's hubris, but at least I don't think the Jotunheim invasion was because he thought it was a personal affront, but rather an actual attack on his country. He's a *patriot,* dammit! 'Murika, **** yeah! I mean, Asgard!

 

[HunBoy]

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje will be only on Thor: TDW or signs multi picture deal with Marvel (for example BDT)?

 

[LadyGeek]

. . . I have a different read than some of you on Thor's coronation scene in Thor 1, though. Rather than it being simply a case of Thor being petty because "his day was disrupted," I think it was pretty clear that the reason he went to Jotunheim was a kneejerk reaction to enemies invading his homeland. Perhaps the right thing to do would have been to actually investigate the infiltration further, maybe even demand that Laufey turn over the accused for an actual trial to stand justice; but Thor just said, "**** it, they invaded us, we're going to war." . . .

Well said. I agree that a lot of Thor's fury was because the Jotuns had "invaded," and that drives his decision to disobey Odin and go to Jotunheim (With Loki's foot on the gas pedal, of course).

I agree that Loki got the ball rolling but Thor still made his own choices, ultimately, and is responsible for what he did in Jotunheim. You can blame and/or hate Loki for a lot of things--his ledger is full of red, to be sure--but Thor royally screwed up in Jotunheim and his actions there lead to many deaths. He could have gotten his whole away team killed had Odin not intervened.

 

[Rock Sexton]

DS, I like you a lot. Really and truly. You are clever and funny and quite knowledgeable. But please I ask that you suspend the condescending tone and manner of communication. I'm a grown man of 37 years. I have no problem going back and forth on this, but please let's not turn this into a "thing" just because you simply must get in some biting snark, because EVERY convo on the internet must have it. I think I am being respectful to you. I think I should get it in return.

Really like this post.

Btw, when Darth mentioned that Thor killed all those Frost Giants when he slammed his hammer down, we don't know that. In fact when they go to the edge of the cliff asking Heimdall to open the bi-frost, there's scores of those Frost Giants again.

 

[chamber-music]

Never heard of it until now. I liked O'Dowd in Bridesmaids though. He's pretty funny.

You should check out a movie called frequently asked questions about time travel starring Chris O'Dowd and Anna Faris.

 

[ctsketch]

Really like this post.

Btw, when Darth mentioned that Thor killed all those Frost Giants when he slammed his hammer down, we don't know that. In fact when they go to the edge of the cliff asking Heimdall to open the bi-frost, there's scores of those Frost Giants again.

Well it's their home world...so yeah...there are a ton of them on the planet...

 

[TeeKay]

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[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Why would Loki believe Odin? That is the the entire point. He lied to him his entire life. Odin can say whatever he wants to him, but there is no reason to believe him.

But Loki did believe Odin, everything he told him, as its the catalyst for him bringing Laufey to Asgard and killing him and trying to prove to Odin he is a worthy son. Why would he believe everything Odin said and use it to justify his actions in both Thor and Avengers but yet not believe one little part of it.

Everything I have said is in the films. It is clear through the words the characters use. Watch the scene with Odin and Loki. Loki's reaction and how he starts bringing up the past. Why Thor was always going to be king, even though he clearly wasn't deserving.

Sorry but I dont think all of what you said was in the films, you seem to be adding things that arent there. Thor wasnt necessarily always going to be king, what if he had died? Not to mention Odin sent him to Earth when he was due to be king, Loki would have gotten the gig then anyway.

Odin knows he is partly responsible.

Yeah, that is probably why he doesnt execute him.

Let's not forget Loki's sly little, "I think you're right... About Laufey ect..." That subtle little part was him continuing to egg Thor on. He knew that he was shoving the knife he had put in his brother's back just a little deeper. Deep enough that Thor decided to take a trip on the Bifrost to confront the Jotuns.

Sorry. Loki's ledger is gushing red.

EXACTLY, Thor wasnt even thinking of going to Jotunheim until Loki manipulated him, this was his brother he had known for thousands of years, he knew just how to twist him and he did.

 

[Feenix]

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Loki's face. "Hmmm, interesting."

 

[Feenix]

EXACTLY, Thor wasnt even thinking of going to Jotunheim until Loki manipulated him, this was his brother he had known for thousands of years, he knew just how to twist him and he did.

Sure he was. He would have gone without Loki's manipulation. It was just fuel to the already burning fire. His friends, his father, and his brother couldn't talk him out of it (remember that Loki was trying to persuade Thor to leave when Laufey offered him the chance to).

Also, a future king shouldn't be so easily goaded into going to war.

And, as a side note, are we forgetting that had it not been for Loki's actions, Thor would never have grown up? His ascent to the throne would have been riddled with arrogance and recklessness had he not been banished and learned about humility. He would have been an awful king.

 

[Moonwing]

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After "handgate" I assume. Those dark-bloody red (unpleasant color by the way) tresses looks like a Mal`s weapon and he is extracting it from Jane. Guess we can now re-construct entire plan...

 

[ctsketch]

Sure he was. He would have gone without Loki's manipulation. It was just fuel to the already burning fire. His friends, his father, and his brother couldn't talk him out of it (remember that Loki was trying to persuade Thor to leave when Laufey offered him the chance to).

Also, a future king shouldn't be so easily goaded into going to war.

And, as a side note, are we forgetting that had it not been for Loki's actions, Thor would never have grown up? His ascent to the throne would have been riddled with arrogance and recklessness had he not been banished and learned about humility. He would have been an awful king.

If Loki had not committed treason and let the Jotuns into Asgard Thor would have been coronated and not interrupted..thus he'd be King and making the decisions...but he would not have needed to go to Jotunheim because....Loki wouldn't have let them invade Asgard

 

[Feenix]

If Loki had not committed treason and let the Jotuns into Asgard Thor would have been coronated and not interrupted..thus he'd be King and making the decisions...but he would not have needed to go to Jotunheim because....Loki wouldn't have let them invade Asgard

You're missing the point. Thor wasn't fit to be king. Look at the way he walked down the aisle before kneeling in front of his father. That says it all. He was arrogant and an idiot and not worthy of wearing the crown. His decisions as king would have been led by ego and recklessness, not logic and reason. Not good qualities for a king to have.