Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 5

[metaphysician]

In the comics, I'd say Hela is more powerful than Thor, but not by a vast margin. She's not Skyfather powerful, and not really as powerful as Thanos, either, though she could do a closer more even fight with Thanos than Thor could.

 

[legendkillin]

I think it's just a matter of they see the box office and general audience reaction and go, let's keep doing what we're doing. They have no reason to change beyond wanting to expand their filmmaking, and if anything it's clearly the opposite of that they don't want to mix things up presumably due to fear of losing the 'Marvel factor'.

Look at this film, Waititi brought in because the script is dark, now apparently it's a laugh riot. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it'd be nice if they went outside of the MCU formula a few times

Dr.Strange did have a few spots where jokes were not needed. However I only thought that because of the character. I didn't think Dr.Strange needed as many funny moments as a GOTG or Ant-Man. We have had some creative ending to make the formula continue to not fail. GOTG dance off, Strange bargain and time fight before it, and Ant-Man subatomic. If the acting and storytelling continue to be good they won't suffer from "Having too many jokes". Now I really don't expect Black Panther to have many jokes, he should he was not that kind of character. Freeman's character however will be the one with the jokes.

 

[kguillou]

I think in the case of Dr Strange, they injected the humor as a safeguard because that was an oddball film which could have ended up being Marvel's first "rotten." Dr Strange had to work, as a movie and as a character and he's Feige's favorite character. They wanted to make sure that if there was a chance the trippy, psychedlic magic stuff didnt land with audiences, that they would at least endear to the tone of the film and Strange as a character. If you can at least make the audience laugh, you've done your job. And, well, its got a nice 90% on RT.

 

[Samuron]

I think in the case of Dr Strange, they injected the humor as a safeguard because that was an oddball film which could have ended up being Marvel's first "rotten." Strange had to work, and he's Feige's favorite character. They wanted to make sure if there was a chance the trippy, psychedlic magic stuff didnt land with audiences, that they would at least endear to the tone of the film and Strange as a character. If you can at least make the audience laugh, you've done your job. And, well, its got a nice 90% on RT.

Nicely said

 

[Link]

I think in the case of Dr Strange, they injected the humor as a safeguard because that was an oddball film which could have ended up being Marvel's first "rotten." Dr Strange had to work, as a movie and as a character and he's Feige's favorite character. They wanted to make sure that if there was a chance the trippy, psychedlic magic stuff didnt land with audiences, that they would at least endear to the tone of the film and Strange as a character. If you can at least make the audience laugh, you've done your job. And, well, its got a nice 90% on RT.

For me the humor was without a doubt the worst part of Doctor Strange. I didn't mind the tone and some of those jokes really belonged in the story, but a large part of them didn't land anywhere, and felt like obvious additions from the reshoots. That film in particular was one that could have deserved some more risk taking. God, Rachel McAdams' character was so badly written her high point was a falling mop.

Really interested to see how director driven this film really is. Taika is positively crazy with his filmmaking and style of humor, and I find it really impressive if Disney won't get nervous about that.

 

[jaqua99]

In the comics, I'd say Hela is more powerful than Thor, but not by a vast margin. She's not Skyfather powerful, and not really as powerful as Thanos, either, though she could do a closer more even fight with Thanos than Thor could.

Could she though?

I feel Thor is more versatile. While he's not as powerful, I think he is better equipped to fight Thanos.

What could Hela do to last longer than Thor? Im curious. Anyone who isnt Odin is basically fodder to Thanos.

Remember when he punked Beta Ray Bill while casually monologuing, and insulting his fight style? Hela has more mystical powers, which I dont think Thanos would be bothered by

 

[jaqua99]

For me the humor was without a doubt the worst part of Doctor Strange. I didn't mind the tone and some of those jokes really belonged in the story, but a large part of them didn't land anywhere, and felt like obvious additions from the reshoots. That film in particular was one that could have deserved some more risk taking. God, Rachel McAdams' character was so badly written her high point was a falling mop.

Really interested to see how director driven this film really is. Taika is positively crazy with his filmmaking and style of humor, and I find it really impressive if Disney won't get nervous about that.

The "Beyonce" comments and when he was listing off modern celebrities to Wong is almost objectively cringe worthy. That scene was just embarassingly forced and no one laughed.. the 5 times I saw it in theaters lol

 

[2kt09]

The difference with Taika is that he's not gonna have anyone tamper with his movie to add humor. I am willing to bet it's probably gonna be a more even an natural movie than Doctor Strange was... in concern to the humor side of things.

The other difference being he's very much known for humor (multi-layered comedy - constantly firing jokes any way he can) to where bolded seems redundant,

whereas Derrickson comes from a horror background.

 

[InCali]

I think in the case of Dr Strange, they injected the humor as a safeguard because that was an oddball film which could have ended up being Marvel's first "rotten." Dr Strange had to work, as a movie and as a character and he's Feige's favorite character. They wanted to make sure that if there was a chance the trippy, psychedlic magic stuff didnt land with audiences, that they would at least endear to the tone of the film and Strange as a character. If you can at least make the audience laugh, you've done your job. And, well, its got a nice 90% on RT.

Not sure about why they injected humor part of your take on DS. I think they just tend to do that....maybe for the reason you specify. The bottom line is that Marvel is lining their stable with some really, really good actors who consistently elevate the movies (Same could probably be said for directors and writers). There's a quality control aspect to MCU movies I think is missing elsewhere. Others tend to be hit or miss.....terrific movies like BB or TDK (love Deadpool) and really bad ones like MoS (my opinion being worse than BvS and even SS) and Origins and Fant4stic (which I couldn't bring myself to see, but will take the word of others....I'm dying for a good FF movie).

 

[InCali]

Could she though?

I feel Thor is more versatile. While he's not as powerful, I think he is better equipped to fight Thanos.

What could Hela do to last longer than Thor? Im curious. Anyone who isnt Odin is basically fodder to Thanos.

Remember when he punked Beta Ray Bill while casually monologuing, and insulting his fight style? Hela has more mystical powers, which I dont think Thanos would be bothered by

Unless Thanos turned him into a decorative window pane. Maybe Surtur is closer to Thanos.

I'm thinking they might superpower Thor if Odin ends up dying soon.

 

[2kt09]

There's a quality control aspect to MCU movies I think is missing elsewhere.

G'damn it...in that case...

PLEASE DON'T "QUALITY CONTROL" THIS

 

[Vartha]

well just got some news for us Thor Comic fans...what was whispered to Thor by Fury to make him Unworthy will be revealed in issue 5 of Unworthy Thor!
http://comicbook.com/2017/02/22/how-was-thor-made-unworthy/

 

[Vartha]

Dr.Strange did have a few spots where jokes were not needed. However I only thought that because of the character. I didn't think Dr.Strange needed as many funny moments as a GOTG or Ant-Man. We have had some creative ending to make the formula continue to not fail. GOTG dance off, Strange bargain and time fight before it, and Ant-Man subatomic. If the acting and storytelling continue to be good they won't suffer from "Having too many jokes". Now I really don't expect Black Panther to have many jokes, he should he was not that kind of character. Freeman's character however will be the one with the jokes.

There was also something left out and not made CLEAR in DS as to Why Kaecilius was crying. There IS a story as to WHY he was even AT Kamar-Taj in the first place. I REALLY hope Marvel doesn't do that crud again.
I'm fine with humor, as long as it's placed with who should be making the jokes.

 

[HammerDown]

The other difference being he's very much known for humor (multi-layered comedy - constantly firing jokes any way he can) to where bolded seems redundant,

whereas Derrickson comes from a horror background.

And by Derrickson coming from the horror background, Marvel needed to bring someone in afterwards to lighten up the tone and forcefully inject humor on the movie, which made the movie have a, tonally, not so easy relationship with it's humor.

Taika is known for his humor and by that i feel his movie will probably feel more even/natural in the humor side of things.

I feel that Thor Ragnarok will indeed be funny and probably the funniest Thor movie yet. Which is not a bad thing even when we are talking about Ragnarok. It all depends on how the balance of the movie will be struck. Between funny and a more serious/high stakes tone. If it is tastefully funny as i am expecting to be (like some moments in the first Thor), instead of wastefully funny(like a lot of TDW), then i am completely fine with it.

Taika came in also to lighten up the tone on a very dark script. And i am expecting him to fully bring his strengths to Thor Ragnarok.

 

[harryoscop]

Why are Marvel afraid of going darker in tone is the real question?.. I had no idea they brought him in to lighten things up.

 

[Link]

That's really the question, is this a funny Thor movie, or a comedy? If it's a funny Thor movie but still serves all the drama and absolutely necessary darkness a storyline like Ragnarok brings up, everything is good. Feige did say that MCU would never go "dark", but Ragnarok and Infinity War can't be all sunshine and rainbows, and I'm sure they know that.

 

[BoredGuy]

The "Beyonce" comments and when he was listing off modern celebrities to Wong is almost objectively cringe worthy. That scene was just embarassingly forced and no one laughed.. the 5 times I saw it in theaters lol

Idk, that line got the biggest laugh out of the audience I saw it with
well... not the listing names part, but the later callback to it... the first part was just set up for the single ladies joke

 

[Joeyjojo72]

well just got some news for us Thor Comic fans...what was whispered to Thor by Fury to make him Unworthy will be revealed in issue 5 of Unworthy Thor!
http://comicbook.com/2017/02/22/how-was-thor-made-unworthy/

LOL it better be good!

 

[Vartha]

LOL it better be good!

I know, right?
We've waited what over a year for this? lol

 

[BoredGuy]

Original Sin came out in 2014 didn't it??
So like 3 friggin years!
I just want Thor to get back to his full power levels and stop lookin like a hobo already

 

[2kt09]

And by Derrickson coming from the horror background, Marvel needed to bring someone in afterwards to lighten up the tone and forcefully inject humor on the movie, which made the movie have a, tonally, not so easy relationship with it's humor.

Taika is known for his humor and by that i feel his movie will probably feel more even/natural in the humor side of things.

I feel that Thor Ragnarok will indeed be funny and probably the funniest Thor movie yet. Which is not a bad thing even when we are talking about Ragnarok. It all depends on how the balance of the movie will be struck. Between funny and a more serious/high stakes tone.

Taika came in also to lighten up the tone on a very dark script. And I am expecting him to fully bring his strengths to Thor Ragnarok.

Without question. He can also more than likely pinpoint the most cathartic moments or just write them in himself amongst all the added levity. At that point it all comes down to pacing to make sure the transitions aren't jarring like it was for Dr Strange.

 

[HammerDown]

That's really the question, is this a funny Thor movie, or a comedy? If it's a funny Thor movie but still serves all the drama and absolutely necessary darkness a storyline like Ragnarok brings up, everything is good. Feige did say that MCU would never go "dark", but Ragnarok and Infinity War can't be all sunshine and rainbows, and I'm sure they know that.

It has to/will be a funny Thor movie of course and not a straight up comedy.
The script for the movie was said to be very dark. You don't go from a very dark script to a straight up comedy but you can smooth the edges with a lot of good humor to make it more like the Marvel fingerprint for their movies.

Without question. He can also more than likely pinpoint the most cathartic moments or just write them in himself amongst all the added levity. At that point it all comes down to pacing to make sure the transitions aren't jarring like it was for Dr Strange.

True. I hope and i have a good feeling he will be up for the task.

 

[InCali]

G'damn it...in that case...

PLEASE DON'T "QUALITY CONTROL" THIS

I know. Right? They should have hired Snyder or Trank and written a script that only a minority of people could stand. Now THAT's what I would call Quality Control.

 

[2kt09]

I know. Right? They should have hired Snyder or Trank and written a script that only a minority of people could stand. Now THAT's what I would call Quality Control.

Puzzled by the insecure snark.
I, like some of us alluded to, don't want Waititi's take neutered for the sake of having wider appeal.
He's great as is and should be more than capable in making Ragnarok the best one yet.

 

[InCali]

Puzzled by the insecure snark.
I, like some of us alluded to, don't want Waititi's take neutered for the sake of having wider appeal.
He's great as is and should be more than capable in making Ragnarok the best one yet.

Hardly insecure. When I speak of quality controls, I'm mainly talking about hiring quality directors, screenwriters, and actors. Of course, Kevin has a vision about the overall direction of MCU, but seems to let individual directors make their own movies. I'm not behind the scenes at WB, but it doesn't appear they do the same and, IMO, DCEU suffers because of that. They also don't have the stable of actors Marvel has amassed (esp recently).

So, I agree, the studios should hire quality people and let them do their jobs (within certain parameters).