Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[terry78]

In all honesty with the stuff we get in the Apes movies and even the Bayformers movies there is no reason Hulk should look anything less than above average. That's what they get paid for.

 

[BigThor]

In all honesty with the stuff we get in the Apes movies and even the Bayformers movies there is no reason Hulk should look anything less than above average. That's what they get paid for.

Especially considering Hulk is only ONE character and they've had 6-7 years to perfect his CGI.

 

[Iceman]

Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggghhh

[YT]G02wKufX3nw[/YT]

Just listened to this all the way through. Awesome music choice*(again).

 

[Flemm]

On the topic of CGI, there doesn't seem to be a lot of agreement on what looks good and what doesn't, except maybe on the extremes (occasionally something will look really fake or particularly awesome).

Even just reading comments about the most recent comic con trailers, they are all over the place.

I generally don't have strong feelings on the topic. I guess I am just not an effects aficionado lol.

One thing about the trailer is that Valkyrie is awesome in this one. I agree about the Defenders vibe of the group.

 

[Abudefduf]

I second that. It's a work of art in itself.

Glorious. I've seen quite a few people complain that this sequence looks fake but honestly I think that's the intention. It's supposed to look otherworldly and surreal.

 

[legendkillin]

Glorious. I've seen quite a few people complain that this sequence looks fake but honestly I think that's the intention. It's supposed to look otherworldly and surreal.

Looks like a portrait to me those images of Hela welcoming the Valkyrie army is beautiful.

 

[Grootster]

I don't get the complaints about the Hulk's CGI, I thought the animation and rendering looks fine on him, and they still have four months to perfect it even more. Creatures are hard to make photorealistic, mainly because we have nothing in real-life to compare them to. I'm not sure the apes in Planet of the Apes are a fair comparison, since it's possible to 100% mimic a real animal with CGI and have it look convincing, but that will never be possible with the Hulk, since we don't have a real-life Hulk to compare the CGI model to. No matter how good the rendering and animation are, Hulk will always look a bit fake because our brains know they didn't film a real Hulk.

More than anything I'm blown away by the visuals and environments. I can forgive creatures for looking a little off, but a movie needs to absorb me into it's environments in order to sell it to me, which this trailer certainly does. That scene with the army of horses flying down out of the portal or whatever (sorry, I'm not familiar with the lore or terminology yet) looks breathtaking and completely believable even though it's CGI (at least I'm assuming, it's possible some of that is done with practical props - the fact that I can't tell says a lot). I feel like Marvel succeeds at doing something that a lot of modern sci-fi fails at - using CGI effectively to create an engaging experience.

Glorious. I've seen quite a few people complain that this sequence looks fake but honestly I think that's the intention. It's supposed to look otherworldly and surreal.

I don't see that as fake at all, at least in terms of CGI quality. Sure the subject matter is fake (otherworldly is a good word), but the CGI looks top-notch (that combined with the application of color and animation). Compare that shot to, say, a shot from the end battle of the third Hobbit movie, and this makes the Hobbit look like a video game.

 

[legendkillin]

I generally don't have strong feelings on the topic. I guess I am just not an effects aficionado lol.

haha same, I just know what I like. The movie has a nice amount of color but they also need that darkness because the movie deals with a heavy situation. Thats just my feeling on the effects and cgi.

 

[HammerDown]

Glorious. I've seen quite a few people complain that this sequence looks fake but honestly I think that's the intention. It's supposed to look otherworldly and surreal.

Those images are epic. They are suppose to be stuff of legend. And it looks absolutely perfect.

 

[harlequinade]

Glorious. I've seen quite a few people complain that this sequence looks fake but honestly I think that's the intention. It's supposed to look otherworldly and surreal.

I'm always amused by people saying something that is taking place in fantasy movie, in space, a battle between a goddess and warriors riding on freaking flying horses looks 'fake'. I mean...what is it supposed to look like?

I think it looks gorgeous and is definitely the most visually stunning thing in the trailers for me.

 

[jaqua99]

Absolute phenomenal trailer, but shouldn't Thor be the one fighting against Surtur or Fenris and get the last money shot in a trailer? It is a Thor movie after all.
After what Marvel has done with Thor in the comics, I hope he won't be overshadowed again from someone else. Just once in the Marvel universe I want my Thor to kick some major ass. Maybe I'm nitpicking here and the trailer is just meant to make me think Hulks is fighting the Thor villains alone, but I really hope Thor is bringing them down.

Nope, I too am dissappointed Hulk gets the money shots fighting Thor villains in a Thor movie trailer.

More so with Surtur. Surtur is just awesome, and his first appearance ever should be a money shot with Thor, not Hulk.

Surtur and Hulk have never even met. Rightfully so, Hulk wouldn't survive more than a few seconds. I'm betting he knocks Surtur around a bit though

 

[jaqua99]

Yeah narrative wise I think it's just overall more economic and fulfilling to have Cate to be the MCU's version of Death and have her return for Infinity War. Having two embodiments of death might work in the comics but sometimes its better to streamline these sorts of things for movies.

Skurge and Odin of course die, but maybe Surtur will be presented as a Dormammu type, as in, he has to be trapped, imprisoned or just otherwise delayed somehow? I can't imagine they kill him off unless narratively he's supposed to be weakened, sort of like MCU's Odin seems to be past his prime.

Hela isn't an embodiment of Death in the comics. She's an Asgardian with specific powers.

She in no way represents death, which, she HAS to somehow for her to work with Thanos. Otherwise, bleh.

 

[StarLord]

I haven't felt this giddy about a trailer since the Guardians first trailer in 2014.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Glorious. I've seen quite a few people complain that this sequence looks fake but honestly I think that's the intention. It's supposed to look otherworldly and surreal.

The Valkerie/Hela sequence in my opinion is the most beautiful/surreal shot we've gotten in all of the MCU.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I don't get the complaints about the Hulk's CGI, I thought the animation and rendering looks fine on him, and they still have four months to perfect it even more. Creatures are hard to make photorealistic, mainly because we have nothing in real-life to compare them to. I'm not sure the apes in Planet of the Apes are a fair comparison, since it's possible to 100% mimic a real animal with CGI and have it look convincing, but that will never be possible with the Hulk, since we don't have a real-life Hulk to compare the CGI model to. No matter how good the rendering and animation are, Hulk will always look a bit fake because our brains know they didn't film a real Hulk.

More than anything I'm blown away by the visuals and environments. I can forgive creatures for looking a little off, but a movie needs to absorb me into it's environments in order to sell it to me, which this trailer certainly does. That scene with the army of horses flying down out of the portal or whatever (sorry, I'm not familiar with the lore or terminology yet) looks breathtaking and completely believable even though it's CGI (at least I'm assuming, it's possible some of that is done with practical props - the fact that I can't tell says a lot). I feel like Marvel succeeds at doing something that a lot of modern sci-fi fails at - using CGI effectively to create an engaging experience.



I don't see that as fake at all, at least in terms of CGI quality. Sure the subject matter is fake (otherworldly is a good word), but the CGI looks top-notch (that combined with the application of color and animation). Compare that shot to, say, a shot from the end battle of the third Hobbit movie, and this makes the Hobbit look like a video game.

It's the greyish backdrop that IMO is causing some of issue - as it's not blending well with the rest of the environment and characters. It's a very dull color and robs the richness of the crayon box Taika is working with. It stood out to me like sore thumb when I first saw the trailer. Still love most of everything else I saw though.

This is one of the shots where it's funky ....

 

[JtheDreamer]

Hela isn't an embodiment of Death in the comics. She's an Asgardian with specific powers.

She in no way represents death, which, she HAS to somehow for her to work with Thanos. Otherwise, bleh.

The "embodiment" of death is a concept that would be entirely foreign to a large percentage of kids who will also be watching these films.

Given the continuity it would be kind of senseless to have one character who is the Goddess of Death and then right after it have someone else who is also death-related. IMO it's just not likely they unspool two different characters given how closely Ragnarok and IW tie in.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[BigThor]

The Valkerie/Hela sequence in my opinion is the most beautiful/surreal shot we've gotten in all of the MCU.

Easily in my opinion

 

[HammerDown]

I think i spotted Miek. Right behind Korg in the scene in movement you see a small creature with blades for hands fighting also next to Loki.
In the image you can actually see one of the blades.

 

[Web-Head]

Hulk looks good to me. They'll have a little bit more time to work on the CG as well so I'm not too worried, but Marvel's CGI does seem to have gotten worse in recent years.

 

[BigThor]

I think Hulk looks fine and he looked fine in Age of Ultron. Overall the CGI in recent films like GOTG 1 & 2 as well as Doctor Strange, Civil War and such have better CGI than any of the Phase 1 films.

 

[jaqua99]

The "embodiment" of death is a concept that would be entirely foreign to a large percentage of kids who will also be watching these films.

Given the continuity it would be kind of senseless to have one character who is the Goddess of Death and then right after it have someone else who is also death-related. IMO it's just not likely they unspool two different characters given how closely Ragnarok and IW tie in.

I know. Im just saying she isnt an embodiment of death in the comics, like a poster suggested she was.

 

[BigThor]

I know. Im just saying she isnt an embodiment of death in the comics, like a poster suggested she was.

He didn't really suggest it, he just said she's close enough to it for her to be one in the MCU.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

My positives and negatives of the trailer.

Positives

Cate Blanchett as Hela. Her performance seems to be on point, and her look is great.

The HULK in every scene he's in. Looks like he steals the show in this movie.

SURTUR!!!

Some gorgeous imaginary going on, really cool dynamic shots.

Negatives

The humor feels too GOTG-lite to me.

Still not buying Thompson as Valkrie. Something about it is not jelling with me.

 

[BigThor]

The humor isn't anything like GOTG to me, I really don't get all the GOTG comparisons.