Tim Story MySpace Blog updated

[Kelly]

Theres alot of ass-slapping among men around here.....dang I thought I was on a football field.....lol

 

[HoratioRome]

What is a hater?

Again I think Tim was referring to people not giving the second film a chance when he talks about haters.

well that's how you interpret it. I interpret it differently. I take Tim's tone as being anyone with any criticism, doubt or legitimate questions is a hater. This is just a matter of opinion so I won't argue that point. That just how I see it.

I think you have to respect people who are wary of Fox, they are suits.

However I find it hard to think that Ralph Winter and Tim Story would lie about the appearance or non appearance of Galactus.

And Horatio Story did not lie about the brow,he said they would be slight changes and they have been, its not exactly as it was. You can clearly see that in the shots and in the teaser.

I personaly do not see any discernable differences between the 2 Things. Are there technical changes? I'm sure there are, just as there were changes between the Spider-man 1 costume and the SM2 costumes. But they aren't real "changes as they are basically the same Thing. other than Story telling us there is a difference in the brow I don't see it. besides, prior to the pics of the new Thing being sneaked, Story had pretty much said the same thing as he's saying now about Galactus and Doom. That the Brow would be addressed and that the fans will like it. It wasn't until just before the pics came out that he started saying that " a big brow wouldn't look as good as we might think". which btw is another obvious lie.

Now are you trying to be deceptive. Why, because you want us to be more negative than we should be. Why.

I am not trying to be deceptive. I am only pointing out the obvious. If you've read my posts you will see that where they get it right I support Story and the movie. I think they did a GREAT job on SS. I've said so. if pictures of Galactus or Doom surface tomorrow and they look great, I'll be the first one to say so. It's just that I will also point out the bad. and so far other than SS what I see isn't looking very good to me.

Comics used to be fun man, that is what the movies were supposed to be. FF got knocked because it was not dark enough, did not take itself seriously enough, but if you went back and read the early issues the movie feels like a clone.

Yes comics and movies are supposed to be fun, but that doesn't mean it can't be good, or serious, or intelligent and interesting. and I'm sorry but I have to tell you you're wrong here. Very wrong. I have gone back, I've read the issues, many times over, and though there was humor, the FF comics always took itself seriously. there is this HUGE misconception that the comics were light and fun and games. I don't know where that comes from because that couldn't be further from the truth. Yes Ben and Torch played practical jokes on each other but they also got pissed with each other plenty of times also. and when the FF faced threats, they were real, serious, and heavy; not light and fun. I recommend that you pick up the essential FF 2-5 and read for yourself how awesome these stories were.

I understand you are wary of fox, so fine but when you make misleading statements it appears that you yourself are on an agenda or are biased and are ignoring facts.

once again this is not the case. read above with regards to the Thing. and remember my support of what I see of SS so far.

There was a rumour going around that Julian would not be in the movie and that they were hiring a stand in. Tim came out and said that would not be the case and we would be seeing his face. He was telling the truth as Maury would say.

I can't find anywhere where Tim has lied.

He says no one knows how Galactus will look, clearly loan does not know and we know that Fox has been super secret with this production.

They know if the negativity starts rolling it may snowball.

So am I going to thrash the studio because they made some changes in the movie that I did not like, no they have shareholders to answer to and clearly they are not as forward thinking as Sony, but that is life you don't always get everything that you want.

That being said, you should not cut off your nose to spite your face.

That is just stupid. As AD said people wishing a movie fails so it can get a reboot in 5 years, man, who knows if they are going to wake up tomorrow.

I wish they would pull a matrix, shoot these things back to back and realease them every year. Who knows how long the world will be here, there are nuclear bombs everywhere and people are trying to build more.

you see I take this statement as evidence of you having an agenda and a bias towards this film. according to you everything is or will be ok and if it isn't ?,..well you understand why and that's ok too.
this is in light of the screw ups of the first film.

That IMO is being biased. Because it seems to me you are closing your eyes to the facts presented to you.


the way I feel is this. I want NOTHING more than for FF2 to ge a masterpiece that makes 400 million dollars like SM did. BUT I won't allow my wishes or desires to blind me to what's in front of me.
That being that in the first film everything that went wrong and did not work were the things that were different from the source material. Just as everything that did work came directly from the comics. I am looking for signs that Story understands this and instead of repeating the same mistakes of presuming to come up with something better, he will honor and respect the material.
So far I don't see any evidence of that (other than the look of the SS). Even something as little as a brow was not corrected. So forgive me if I doubt whether Dr. Doom will be.
and remember just because someone in hollywood tells you that something will be done it doesn't mean that it will be.
I am a fan of the FANTASTIC FOUR. Not the concept of the FF, not the spirit, or the essence of the FF but of the FANTASTIC FOUR themselves. the further you are from the FF the less interested I am.
I am not cutting off my nose to spite my face. Not seeing Cat woman does not hurt me in any way. No more than not seeing ultra violet doesn't.
and yes, I'd rather not see a anything than to see a butchered version of something I've loved all my life.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Oh God help us.

 

[Malus]

I personaly do not see any discernable differences between the 2 Things. ...It wasn't until just before the pics came out that he started saying that " a big brow wouldn't look as good as we might think". which btw is another obvious lie.
...And might I remind you that Story had also reassured us on Thing's brow, and THAT turned out to be exactly as it was before.

No. It's not.
The brow is obviously improved. The pic they used for the new video game poster is proof of that. And it's apparent in many of the set pics we've seen.
So Tim using the term "hater" in an obviously half-serious way is insulting, but it's fine for you to outright call the man a liar?
Please.

I have gone back, I've read the issues, many times over, and though there was humor, the FF comics always took itself seriously. there is this HUGE misconception that the comics were light and fun and games. I don't know where that comes from because that couldn't be further from the truth. Yes Ben and Torch played practical jokes on each other but they also got pissed with each other plenty of times also. and when the FF faced threats, they were real, serious, and heavy; not light and fun. I recommend that you pick up the essential FF 2-5 and read for yourself how awesome these stories were.

I think there's a lot more humor and lightness in the classic material than you apparently see. And yes, it goes beyond Johnny and Ben's rough-housing.
The stories were both serious and heavy and light and fun.
Think M*A*S*H or Hill Street Blues. Plenty of drama, but ample humor as well.
The touches of humor in FF (particularly early FF) has been cited by comics historians for decades. It's an essential part of the formula that makes Fantastic Four tick.

 

[Kelly]

What I find interesting with this whole discussion on the "hater" thing is.....how those that are more toward the negative side......feel that Tim is call them "haters".....

I don't see you as "haters"....most around here don't see you as "haters".....doesn't really look like Tim sees all negative opinions as "haters"...if he did we probably wouldn't see the changes we have seen....maybe ya'll need to think better of yourselves....

People are just giving opinions....don't label yourself by assuming someone thinks of you as a hater.....or a cheerleader....

 

[Mercurius]

Ah i see,well i'd hardly call that using FF as a punchline,he is just pointing out the very different tone and style of the two books IMO

"My feeling about it is, with Watchmen you can get actors, I believe, that would never make a comic book movie. Because Watchmen is cool, you know what I’m saying? (laughter) You’d never get Brad Pitt in tights in a normal movie, and I’m not saying he’s any of the guys, I’m actually not talking to him, but he’s the kind of guy you could get because those Ocean’s guys think they are pretty cool. But, they’d be embarrassed to be in Fantastic Four, as they should. (laughter) I don’t mean to dig on Fantastic Four, it’s just so…so, bubble gum, I can’t take it."

Zack Snyder in IESB's interview.

Not my fault, mates. I saw what I saw.

And about being Nokio's friend: why not? I can be friend of everybody here. Just buy me a pint of Old Speckled Hen, and that's it.

 

[HoratioRome]

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No. It's not.
The brow is obviously improved. The pic they used for the new video game poster is proof of that. And it's apparent in many of the set pics we've seen.
So Tim using the term "hater" in an obviously half-serious way is insulting, but it's fine for you to outright call the man a liar?
Please.



I think there's a lot more humor and lightness in the classic material than you apparently see. And yes, it goes beyond Johnny and Ben's rough-housing.
The stories were both serious and heavy and light and fun.
Think M*A*S*H or Hill Street Blues. Plenty of drama, but ample humor as well.
The touches of humor in FF (particularly early FF) has been cited by comics historians for decades. It's an essential part of the formula that makes Fantastic Four tick.

first off I said that Tim saying that the Thing's brow would not look as good as we may think is an obvious lie. It is a lie because we've seen the Thing's brow done right and WE think it looks fine. We've seen in the cheap Corman FF movie and we see it here in this 1:1 scale of the Thing's face. Question to YOU, does this brow look fine to you or not?

FF1

ok I can't seem to past any pics from FF2 here

As for the "improvements" you can convince youself that Tim improved the brow all you want but I'm telling you I don't see it. Look if you want to be technical and picky, I will agree that obvioulsy it's not the same suit. I'm sure therefore that the brow isn't exactly the same and that it's been "improved" technicaly. but like I said, it's in no way an obvious change. they basically did the same costume but this time they learned from the past. Which btw is true of every thing done in a sequel. neither the SM or The FF costumes were the exact same in the sequel but then again they aren't different either.
look, Tim could have given the fans what they wanted by simply making the brow right. He/Fox simply chose not to.
I don't know if you know this but the guys who designed the Thing in FF1 said they were perfectly willing and able to make a proper brow for the Thing. In fact they said they expected to and were dissapointed that they didn't.

 

[HoratioRome]

here it is, I'm sorry but comparing the two Thing's brow I see very little, if any difference. particularly compared to the Sideshow bust which shows how it could have been done.

choosing between my own eyes and what Tim tells me I choose my own eyes. everytime.

 

[Kelly]

"My feeling about it is, with Watchmen you can get actors, I believe, that would never make a comic book movie. Because Watchmen is cool, you know what I’m saying? (laughter) You’d never get Brad Pitt in tights in a normal movie, and I’m not saying he’s any of the guys, I’m actually not talking to him, but he’s the kind of guy you could get because those Ocean’s guys think they are pretty cool. But, they’d be embarrassed to be in Fantastic Four, as they should. (laughter) I don’t mean to dig on Fantastic Four, it’s just so…so, bubble gum, I can’t take it."

Zack Snyder in IESB's interview.

Not my fault, mates. I saw what I saw.

And about being Nokio's friend: why not? I can be friend of everybody here. Just buy me a pint of Old Speckled Hen, and that's it.

Could you please find the video you watched....because I've found the video that has my quote in it.....but I haven't found the one that has your quote in it.....

Here is the one with the quote I mentioned....

http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_xevidmegafx&Itemid=139&func=detail&id=142

except that in this particular interview he mentions "Dr. Strangelove", rather than "Taxi Driver"....

 

[Hunter Rider]

"My feeling about it is, with Watchmen you can get actors, I believe, that would never make a comic book movie. Because Watchmen is cool, you know what I’m saying? (laughter) You’d never get Brad Pitt in tights in a normal movie, and I’m not saying he’s any of the guys, I’m actually not talking to him, but he’s the kind of guy you could get because those Ocean’s guys think they are pretty cool. But, they’d be embarrassed to be in Fantastic Four, as they should. (laughter) I don’t mean to dig on Fantastic Four, it’s just so…so, bubble gum, I can’t take it."

Zack Snyder in IESB's interview.

Have you got a link ? plus i'd say he is talking about the FF in general not the movie,he clearly isn't a fan of lighter material

God i'm glad The Thing looks nothing like this in the movie

 

[Kelly]

LMAO......agreed......

Ya know what's funny with the "hater" thing....according to some people's assumption of what he meant by it......

100% of the people on this forum would be "haters".......lol

Including Carpy...... and dare I say....AD

 

[Mercurius]

Could you please find the video you watched....because I've found the video that has my quote in it.....but I haven't found the one that has your quote in it.....

Here is the one with the quote I mentioned....

http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_xevidmegafx&Itemid=139&func=detail&id=142

except that in this particular interview he mentions "Dr. Strangelove", rather than "Taxi Driver"....

http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1883&Itemid=99

That's the IESB page I mentioned.

Well, I think you can choose in 40 years of Fantastic Four comics many different approaches. My opinion: to the first one Tim Story chose the most bubble gum he could find. Thence, all the complaints and bad omens.

But it seems, at least for me, that some good stuff is brewing in this new one. Weta and the Silver Surfer work are incredible so far.

If they get Doom right this time, and have a much improved script, we'll have a very nice movie indeed. Mixed feelings, though.

 

[Kelly]

I see where you are coming from, and actually agree.....BUT I think the bubble gum feel came alot from the editing and what was left to the big screen....in looking at the deleted scenes....they cut so much meat out of the movie.....it never had a chance to be anything but bubblegum.....

They will never please everyone.......they need to please me as far as I'm concerned....lol and what others have to say will be taken into consideration of course....but if I enjoy it.....I enjoy it......unfortunately for me....I was the only one in my "little world of family and friends" that didn't enjoy it as a whole......hopefully I can join the rest of my world and enjoy this one....

Thanks for finding that for me......

And yes, for me....mixed feelings as well..........

 

[cryptic name]

Have you got a link ? plus i'd say he is talking about the FF in general not the movie,he clearly isn't a fan of lighter material



God i'm glad The Thing looks nothing like this in the movie

you're glad he doesn't look like The Thing?

 

[Carp Man]

you're glad he doesn't look like The Thing?

No. He's glad he does not look like that version of The Thing.

 

[Advanced Dark]

LMAO......agreed......

Ya know what's funny with the "hater" thing....according to some people's assumption of what he meant by it......

100% of the people on this forum would be "haters".......lol

Including Carpy...... and dare I say....AD

Yeah I hate haters.

 

[Kelly]

Yeah I hate haters.

I meant, with the definition of "haters" to some....you would be considered a "hater" of the first movie.....and you're not.....but you have given your not so totally positive review of the movie......BUT that doesn't mean you are a part of the "haters" Tim was talking about.....

 

[Advanced Dark]

Not really. I enjoyed the first movie for what it was but it was just mediocre at best. It was fun enough for me to buy the DVD but it's not near the top of my list. However I realize how difficult this franchise is to translate and they had to get all the origins out of the way and the F/X weren't easy to do either...not to mention this was Story's first big job with such major F/X work required. His sophmore session will be much better. I had no hate at all for the first film. I did hate Daredevil but not overall. Only the casting of Affleck which hurt the whole film for me. That's just me though and I realize it's someone's favorite film.

 

[Kelly]

Not really. I enjoyed the first movie for what it was but it was just mediocre at best. It was fun enough for me to buy the DVD but it's not near the top of my list. However I realize how difficult this franchise is to translate and they had to get all the origins out of the way and the F/X weren't easy to do either...not to mention this was Story's first big job with such major F/X work required. His sophmore session will be much better. I had no hate at all for the first film. I did hate Daredevil but not overall. Only the casting of Affleck which hurt the whole film for me. That's just me though and I realize it's someone's favorite film.

Exactly, but some have said that "people can't say anything negative about this movie, or they are labeled haters..."thats just simply NOT TRUE.....

 

[Advanced Dark]

That's not true at all. Haters are the ones who relentlessly bash and look for problems with the film to justify their predisposed hatred for the character, director, or talent involved. Like me with Ben Affleck films. LOL However I would never go to a Ben Affleck forum and waste my time hour after hour posting about how he sucks, voting in polls before seeing his film, etc...That's the difference.

 

[cryptic name]

No. He's glad he does not look like that version of The Thing.

version? its like a three dimensional rendition of the comic

 

[Mr. Socko]

That's not true at all. Haters are the ones who relentlessly bash and look for problems with the film to justify their predisposed hatred for the character, director, or talent involved. Like me with Ben Affleck films. LOL However I would never go to a Ben Affleck forum and waste my time hour after hour posting about how he sucks, voting in polls before seeing his film, etc...That's the difference.

LOL!

 

[Kelly]

That's not true at all. Haters are the ones who relentlessly bash and look for problems with the film to justify their predisposed hatred for the character, director, or talent involved. Like me with Ben Affleck films. LOL However I would never go to a Ben Affleck forum and waste my time hour after hour posting about how he sucks, voting in polls before seeing his film, etc...That's the difference.

Agreed....

 

[thegameq]

version? its like a three dimensional rendition of the comic

That would have been the CGI Thing that alot of people wanted. Oh well, it is what it is at this point. Chiklis is doing a pretty good job under the circumstances.

 

[highguard]

Well the brow could have been bigger as horatio said. I do think that Tim should give us an even bigger brow.

I think if we push it it may happen.

Tim seems open to constructive criticism so I would suggest that he revisit the discussion on the thing's brow.