TMOS Review & Speculation Thread (Spoilers) - Part 3

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Superman can't kill. He did the fastest method to get it over with. I really doubt anyone here could easily suffocate someone to death. Also imagine how much Zod would be struggling - could he even do it? He did it in the fastest, least painful way possible a fast death rather than drawing it out which is the cruel death.
Not really any less 'doable' than snapping his neck if they're so close in strength at that point. Again, it's not so much what's the quickest and most humane, it's more about making it less 'gladiatoral', if you will. But also, maybe because it felt like too much of a downer/dark way to climax the film....as if some forced killing should have happened earlier with more time in the plot to both climax on more of an upbeat ,and for him to kind of 'redeem' his own sorrow for it.

Some how or another, it needed more weight than what was achieved with just the killing and crying.
 
and with a 82% of the audience liking it according to RT, it's likely that number is gonna go down even farther by next week. This film is gonna divide people like Superman Returns did

Wait, what?

Out of it's harshest critics against the character --

18 gave it a ten. 44 gave it a nine. 29 gave it an 8. 18 gave it a 7. And only 7 people gave it a six or less. So, 62 gave it a nine or above here while 54 gave it an eight or below. Remember NINE or above. How is that divided? The majority thought it was damn near perfect if not perfect.

You may dislike it and are open to it, but statistics show that the film isn't divided and that it was overall really well liked.
 
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Of course you would love it, hell I could have told you this before you saw it. I know your taste Howlett. :woot:

I was worried for a bit but what got me was the Father Son angle of the film. Having two small boys and seeing what Clark goes through and how all the Kent's want to do is protect him was just something else for me.

Not to get personal but I've struggled a bit over the last year about whether or not I'm a good father because of how much of a struggle it is ever day to keep one's family afloat in today's world.

So, seeing the struggles of the Kent's and the Els just killed me completely. The action was completely secondary for me.

What wasn't was seeing Kal becoming more than both his fathers and that's what all father's want for their sons. To be more than them when they grow older.

This is Man of Steel for me.
 
because they had them all get sucked into some stupid non-sensical black hole, which some how they know will be created when they smash together phantom engines, which they also believe will cease to exist shortly after rather than continue sucking up the rest of the planet, and which they believe will only suck up the bad guys in the immediate area and not the rest of the city and citizens right below it. guess what, instead of sucking everyone into a stupid magic black hole, actually utilize the technology to simultaneously serve the plot and characters. god forbid we get some competent writing in this movie.


Seriously man, you need watch again and pay attention. They knew what would happen because Jor El told Lois. And he knew because well he built the damn things. The singularity only stopped once the engines were sucked up into too, kind of making the singularity suck itself up. Which no doubt Jor El knew that was going to happen. If you're going to complain at least complain about stuff that worth complaing about.
 
Not enough build up?

Wow what do you want 10 minutes of him contemplating. He's basically begging Zod to stop. Practically crying and begging him to stop. How much more build up do you want, you can see in his face that doesn't want to. Cavil freakin destroyed that scene. I swear with some these its like you guys didn't even watch the movie.
It's like people who wanted more Bruce Wayne suffering in the pit scenes in TDKR. I'm like, "I've had my fill of Christian Bale piteously screaming in pain, I'm good!" :funny:
 
WHY is it so damn hard to make a good Superman film?! I feel like it's there between Superman Returns and Man of Steel, but both films managed to really screw it up by the end of the movie. I'm all for a redemptive sequel to MoS, but it better be without David Goyer and Zack Snyder.
 
I was worried for a bit but what got me was the Father Son angle of the film. Having two small boys and seeing what Clark goes through and how all the Kent's want to do is protect him was just something else for me.

Not to get personal but I've struggled a bit over the last year about whether or not I'm a good father because of how much of a struggle it is ever day to keep one's family afloat in today's world.

So, seeing the struggles of the Kent's and the Els just killed me completely. The action was completely secondary for me.

What wasn't was seeing Kal becoming more than both his fathers and that's what all father's want for their sons. To be more than them when they grow older.

This is Man of Steel for me.
Awww, the fact that you worry about that automatically makes you a good father. :yay:
 
Hans Zimmer continues to amaze with his music...like in Inception when you find out that parts of the score are actually just super slowed down versions of Edith Piaf's "Non, je ne regrette rien", and now in this film...that cool part in the end of Arcade (the "brrrrmmmmmm" part) is actually the sound of the terraforming machine!
 
Hans Zimmer continues to amaze with his music...like in Inception when you find out that parts of the score are actually just super slowed down versions of Edith Piaf's "Non, je ne regrette rien", and now in this film...that cool part in the end of Arcade (the "brrrrmmmmmm" part) is actually the sound of the terraforming machine!
I NOTICED THAT TOO! :highfive:
 
I was worried for a bit but what got me was the Father Son angle of the film. Having two small boys and seeing what Clark goes through and how all the Kent's want to do is protect him was just something else for me.

Not to get personal but I've struggled a bit over the last year about whether or not I'm a good father because of how much of a struggle it is ever day to keep one's family afloat in today's world.

So, seeing the struggles of the Kent's and the Els just killed me completely. The action was completely secondary for me.

What wasn't was seeing Kal becoming more than both his fathers and that's what all father's want for their sons. To be more than them when they grow older.

This is Man of Steel for me.

I'm just recently married and I don't have kids yet but we're planning on it very soon and I hope I'm the type of father Jonathan is in this movie. Ready to protect my kids at any cost. That stuff hit me hard too
 
Well, that's me seen Man of Steel. Visually, the film is absolutely stunning. From the Krypton-set prologue that left me breathless to the climactic battle that will surely remain a standard of epic superhero fight scenes for as long as the Superman/Zod fight in the original Superman II was, this film is just packed with awe-inspiring imagery. 3D IMAX was the perfect way to experience it, as this was a film that played out on that canvas. Sadly, the plot was a bit lacking, with the pacing making some unusual jumps, and settings like Metropolis and Smallville feeling a bit barren and functional rather than fully-realised locations with their own distinct atmosphere. That sadly kept the film in the "very good bordering on great" category instead of elevating it to the classic top tier of the genre.

But the film's main strength was its characters, even when the script didn't always serve them well. Henry Cavill embodied Clark with an inherent decency and thriving humanity, and an emotional fragility we're not always used to seeing in Superman, while avoiding straying too far into "dark and brooding." The biggest compliment I can give him is that I never felt like I missed Cristopher Reeve while watching his performance. Michael Shannon was also excellent as Zod, giving us a more nuanced, conflicted antagonist than Terrence Stamp, while still posing a formidable physical threat. Russell Crowe, Kevin Costner and Laurence Fishburne brought gravitas to relatively small roles, though Clark's mother figures have more to do than marketing gives them credit for. But perhaps the best part of the whole movie is Amy Adams as Lois Lane. She's presented as a strong, resourceful heroine in her own right here, rather than a damsel in distress, and the film gives her the kind of agency and potency you'd expect from a world-renowned journalist.

Overall, the film has flaws, but it was a highly enjoyable cinematic experience. Most of all, I see it as the groundwork for a superior sequel, and possibly a whole new DC movie universe.
 
1) Even if killing him was his only choice, snapping his neck in front of small children was NOT his only choice...

2) I just gave you a plot point from earlier in the film that could have been used to apprehend him... the ship made the kryptonians as weak as humans.

Didn't Jor-El change the atmosphere when Superman was captive on the ship? Plus wasn't the ship destroyed and Superman was forced to make a quick decision since Zod's heat vision was going to fry innocent humans? I'm not sure that he had the time to just fly away with Zod to the ship even if the ship was available to neutralize him. While I don't like the idea of Superman killing, I'm glad that they showed that the decision that Superman made to snap Zod's neck actually tore him up inside. In the movies to follow, they could show him trying to everything in his power to resolve situations with other villains without killing them.
 
it is when you have to make a snap decision before a family gets fried.

I don't think you watched the movie, there are no more ships. They're gone

It's an example of a plot point in which another solution could have been devised.

As in, yes the ships were all destroyed in this plot... but the plot could easily have had black zero still functioning by the end, and had Zod back imprisoned there in those people pods, with the robotic guards watching over him.

Not enough build up?

Wow what do you want 10 minutes of him contemplating. He's basically begging Zod to stop. Practically crying and begging him to stop. How much more build up do you want, you can see in his face that doesn't want to. Cavil freakin destroyed that scene. I swear with some these its like you guys didn't even watch the movie.

This is going to get boring fast isn't it.

Please stop exaggerating everything to stupid proportions.

No, I didn't want a 10 minute scene of him contemplating. I just wanted more than a very short moment that didn't even seem like one that would have been that tough to get out of without murder.

Just something would have been nice. Like a moment where Clark is looking all around him and sees the destruction and the camera lingers on people frozen and shivering in terror, and you literally feel like he has done ALL HE CAN to stop him in some other way.

Rather than it seeming more like the first solution he comes up with :(
 
Again, it's not so much what's the quickest and most humane, it's more about making it less 'gladiatoral'.

It's SUPERMAN. The last thing on his mind is gladitorial. The ONLY thing on his mind is saving that family, stopping Zod before he gets a chance to kill hundreds more, and killing Zod in the quickest and most humane way he can which is an instant death. And why kill him? These other options people are proposing risk even more of a fight and even more getting killed. Zod wouldn't go down or let himself be taken away without a fight.

If someone had the option of getting shot or their necks snapped over suffocating or drowning - I'm pretty sure the majority would choose the first two because they are the fastest and less painful.
 
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I love the negative people who are trying so hard to sway fans their way. Sorry wont work, people love this film. Divided as they may be, its more for than against
 
I was worried for a bit but what got me was the Father Son angle of the film. Having two small boys and seeing what Clark goes through and how all the Kent's want to do is protect him was just something else for me.

Not to get personal but I've struggled a bit over the last year about whether or not I'm a good father because of how much of a struggle it is ever day to keep one's family afloat in today's world.

So, seeing the struggles of the Kent's and the Els just killed me completely. The action was completely secondary for me.

What wasn't was seeing Kal becoming more than both his fathers and that's what all father's want for their sons. To be more than them when they grow older.

This is Man of Steel for me.

I feel you on that, I'm a huge sucker for father/son movies. (Nemo gets me every damn time...so does Big Fish) it also helps that it's fathers day over here this weekend. So it just hit the spot perfectly.

I could talk forever about the relationship between Clark and both his fathers in this film, to me that should be the core of every Superman origin movie I feel people are missing out on that in order to complain about the neck snapping.
 
Really sick of seeing this kind of response.

It is not a question of murder OR skipping away holding hands.

There are plenty of options in the middle. Plenty.

Demanding specifics posters come up with their ideas for those options just so you can respond with how stupid you think those options are is not gonna work.

Superman has been stopping villains for years without killing them. And don't forget there were points in this movie were kryptonians were 'as weak as humans' on the ship. That's just one off the top of my head.



Batman's killed before too. Still wouldn't have wanted TDK to end with him snapping Joker's neck because he's yelling 'i'm never gonna stop killing people'.


I reacted the same way to that scene. It was a total betrayal of the character and really made me pissed at Goyer and Snyder for letting it happen.
 
I'm just gonna give my two cents. I loved the film and I've been comparing this film with the Hero's journey. Here's what I found. If you find that I'm wrong or have a different interpretation of the steps please tell me.

1- Call for adventure: This happens when Pa' Kent dies.
2- Refusal to call: When he's in the church with the priest
3- Supernatural aid: Jor-El hands him the suit
4- The crossing of the treshold: Clark goes into the Kryptonian ship
5- Belly of the whale: Clark goes into the Zod's ship/The whole halucination scene
6- Initiation: Clark surrenders to the army/fight in smallville
7- The meeting with the Goddess: The hug he gives Ma' Kent wearing the suit
8-Atonement with the father: Jor-El tells Kal that he can save all of them/Flashback with Pa'Kent at the end
9- Return: Clark works in the daily planet and wears the glasses
 
Also, for those disappointed they didn't touch on Supes regretting what he did to Zod (if the tortured scream afterwards wasn't enough...), if they use Lex in the next one, I guarantee you that they will. Because Superman will have to consciously choose not to kill Lex, a clearly human unpowered being, when it would be so easy for him to do so.

Batman didn't want to kill because he didn't want to become the monsters that he fights. He's afraid of his own anger, and that once he starts, he won't be able to stop. Supes doesn't have that problem because he's not even human....and he certainly has the capability to take down anyone he comes across. But having done it before, he now needs to consciously decide never to do it again.
 
I reacted the same way to that scene. It was a total betrayal of the character and really made me pissed at Goyer and Snyder for letting it happen.

I'm unsure how it was against character. THIS is, more or less, Superman's fight with Doomsday just with Zod instead. All of these other options means a longer fight with Zod (unless Zod is just going to go easily) which means even more people getting hurt. His options were to kill Zod, no matter how hard of a decision this clearly is for him, or to risk countless other lives dying in the process. He chose to do the hardest thing that would hurt him just as much if not more than Zod.

Also it wasn't neck snap, Zod dead over and done with. It was Zod threatening, then Superman waiting to see if there was anything he could do, then at the very last second sacrificing himself to kill Zod so that others may live regardless of how hard this would hurt him inside. It was so hard for him that the heat rays traveled to just an inch away from the family.
 
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I love the negative people who are trying so hard to sway fans their way. Sorry wont work, people love this film. Divided as they may be, its more for than against

No one is trying to sway anyone, don't be that guy :whatever:

This is a message board where we all discuss our opinions. Some of us have been following this movie for years, and posting about it in these forums for years too.

I, and all other posters with a negative opinion of this film, have every right to express our dissapointment after all of that.

I reacted the same way to that scene. It was a total betrayal of the character and really made me pissed at Goyer and Snyder for letting it happen.

:( Sucks
 
I reacted the same way to that scene. It was a total betrayal of the character and really made me pissed at Goyer and Snyder for letting it happen.

Really to both of you. Superman killed Doomsday and in Superman comics he killed Zod. He killed Zod in Superman 2. Also in Superman Unbound he killed Brainiac. Its not like he hasn't killed plus he killed Joker in injustice. But I guess all the times he has killed were Goyer and Snyder fault
 
No one is trying to sway anyone, don't be that guy :whatever:

This is a message board where we all discuss our opinions. Some of us have been following this movie for years, and posting about it in these forums for years too.

I, and all other posters with a negative opinion of this film, have every right to express our dissapointment after all of that.



:( Sucks

Lol can you be more hypocritical? You tell me its ok to express opinions but when I do you say dont be that guy?! Good one
 
Wow! Just got back from MOS and I'm still on cloud 9. That was a great film. Not perfect, but great. I give it an 8.5 out of 10. My wife gave it a 7.5 or 8. She hasn't fully decided and the marks off are for a little too much action, though the emotional moments she thought were fantastic and she was balling through most of them.

Don't have a problem with the pacing except for the slightly jarring jump between the baby's shuttle landing and adult Clark on the boat. All in all it managed to be pretty moving throughout.

Oh and that problem about humor...well I didn't have it. The theatre cracked up at a bunch of parts, even with the film's solemn tone.
 
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