Tom Welling as Superman

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The same can be said about Tom Welling & keeping the new movie a reboot. Its a double standard because of actor preference

I am not going to disagree you there. Unlike a lot of folks around these boards I am a Superman fan first. And I enjoyed both Routh and Wellings perfomance over the years. If it really is a reboot, I would want an new actor. Routh had his chance and it didn't work out. You don't reboot everything and have the same actor. The thing is with Welling is he is still not yet Superman, but he is getting up there in age(don't get me wrong 30 is pretty young, just for all this to get done he will probably be 35 if started)

All is all the Green Lantern cameo will be written out, thats probably what I think will happen. Don't give yourselves more problems then you have...
 
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Yea with superman film and wb we just dont know what is going to happen with a next film if they ever do get another one out before 2013 court date when shuster's heir goes to court and could take wb/dc copyright share away from them. Personally after the mess SR was i want to see a total clean slate reboot with new cast, crew, story and stepping away from the donnor/singer setting.
 
Fact is most people don't know who Tom Welling is or have no idea about the tv show called Smallville, so is not the same situation as Brandon's.
 
Yea i just really wish wb could get on the ball with their dc hero films. It sucks ever since the crappy last two schumaker batman movies, and the halle berry catwoman film they seem like they dont want to take a chance. That is why i really do like marvel's films mostly they atless try and they get their characters to the screens. Yes some have been stinkers where others have turned out to be pretty good/decent films. I really dont see what is the dam problem with wb getting ww/GA/flash/aquaman/etc......... films out.

And right now yea that GL film looks to be the one to happen next since it has writers/producers/director/various crew members and we are just waiting on casting.
 
Yea with superman film and wb we just dont know what is going to happen with a next film if they ever do get another one out before 2013 court date when shuster's heir goes to court and could take wb/dc copyright share away from them. Personally after the mess SR was i want to see a total clean slate reboot with new cast, crew, story and stepping away from the donnor/singer setting.

me too! I'm tired of the Donner universe. I'm even willing to give Millar a shot if he's serious about this. I just want a new cast and crew and new universe. I wouldn't mind an updated origin story either.

I should add that I don't mind either dedicating a whole movie to the origin or just retelling it in flashbacks like Batman Begins. If they do the latter, it could save some valuable screen time and focus more on the plot.
 
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Hahaha!

"Well it’s, you know, I have relationships with Warner Brothers and with the character and, and, and, and it’s just the way things work out."

That's awesome.
 
Hm.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he can't just admit that he's totally off the Superman franchise, if that's indeed true. Do you think he still has hopes of being a part of it and doesn't want to publicly take his name out of all the buzz about it? Is it just face-saving?

I also wonder who is soiling their drawers more over Valkyrie being a success - Singer, or Cruise? ;)
 
Hm.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he can't just admit that he's totally off the Superman franchise, if that's indeed true. Do you think he still has hopes of being a part of it and doesn't want to publicly take his name out of all the buzz about it? Is it just face-saving?

I also wonder who is soiling their drawers more over Valkyrie being a success - Singer, or Cruise? ;)

I didn't realize it'd been released yet
 
Singer just keeps giving us the run around. I just want WB to be clear on what they want and i want to see a clean slate reboot with no connection to donnor/singer/etc........
 
Fact is most people don't know who Tom Welling is or have no idea about the tv show called Smallville, so is not the same situation as Brandon's.

Indeed.

Also, I don't understand the logic of those who think how casting Tom Welling in a Superman movie is not a reboot. As far as I can tell, Welling has never played Superman on the big screen, so wouldn't a new Superman movie with Welling in the lead be, by default, a "reboot" of the film franchise?

I mean, even a "Smallville" movie (with Erica and Rosey) would technically be a "reboot" of the film franchise since their characters and backstories have no relation to the one's previously on screen.

So how does WB's desire to "reboot" the movies automatically take Welling out of the running?
 
Hm.

I'm trying to think of a reason why he can't just admit that he's totally off the Superman franchise, if that's indeed true. Do you think he still has hopes of being a part of it and doesn't want to publicly take his name out of all the buzz about it? Is it just face-saving?

IMO based on his deal to develop a sequel, he's going to get paid a nice sum of money just to walk away from the project. Might even get a meaningless producer exec producer credit on a new film depending on whatever agreement they came to. So while he'll have nothing to do with it creatively, he wont be completely "divorced" from it either as the interviewer said.

I also wonder who is soiling their drawers more over Valkyrie being a success - Singer, or Cruise? ;)

Likely Cruise since he fronted the whole UA revival and got all of the big investors involved. It's his neck on the line if that thing doesnt do well. Singer on the other hand is quickly getting a reputation of being a director that overspends and underperforms. This would only cement that, given all of the budget overruns, if it doesnt do well.

Honestly the concept behind the film interests me, but why the hell are they releasing a film about an assassination attempt on Adolf Hitler at Christmas time? :confused: Suaully we get kids movies or stuff like King Kong, LOTR, etc. Not exactly your cheerful holiday type movie. Are they trying to sneak it in to theaters in time for the Oscars?
 
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They could make a reboot with Welling as Superman. Even if it keeps nothing from the Smallville series. Think about it. Most Smallville fans would be just as thrilled if Welling was Supes even if it ignored the Smallville mythos. And the general public, who may not watch Smallville, would go to see Superman. They will not care about Smallville as long as the movie is good. And even if they heard he was on Smallville. All they would know is he played the character Superman/Clark on tv.
 
They could make a reboot with Welling as Superman. Even if it keeps nothing from the Smallville series. Think about it. Most Smallville fans would be just as thrilled if Welling was Supes even if it ignored the Smallville mythos. And the general public, who may not watch Smallville, would go to see Superman. They will not care about Smallville as long as the movie is good. And even if they heard he was on Smallville. All they would know is he played the character Superman/Clark on tv.

The problem with that is its alienating the one half of the fan base that does not like Welling & the same thing with those that does not like Routh. A reboot is better off without any of these two. The best interest for the WB is to not try & split up the fan base again & go with someone new
 
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The "fanbase" argument is another false argument. WB is about making money, not appeasing a bunch of whiny fanboys. "Splitting the fanbase" is not on their list of priorities, trust me.

The bottom line is Smallville makes money relative to its cost. Superman Returns didn't.

Now, I'm not saying WB will cast Welling in a reboot (I get the feeling any rebooted movie will be from scratch), but I am saying that his involvement in Smallville (or his reputation with certain fans) isn't going to mount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things.

In fact, I'd think that his Smallville connection should, in a just world, actually help his chances for a Superman movie.

The bean counters aren't stupid. They know creating a movie with the budget of Superman is going to be astronomical. Singer proved an already astronomical budget can grow ad infinitum in the wrong hands. They also know what their television division is doing on a weekly basis up in Canada on a slashed production budget. Which one gives them more bang for their buck?

In our economy, which do you think is the smarter choice?

--Hire a complete unknown as Superman, pair him with a big name director and screenwriter who has a vision for the franchise, pull in the top FX houses and a budget of more than $300 million.

--Hire a known quantity with a background with the character, port over the television crew and producers, maybe tag an acclaimed comic scribe (like Geoff Johns?) and give 'em a budget of $150-$175 million.

The first option is the classic high risk-high reward. If it's a smash, then great! But, you're going to have to make an awful lot of money to get any of it back (which was SR's problem).

The second option is the safer route. Even if it isn't a gigantic hit and only barely makes $200M (again, like SR), it'll still make a significant amount of money, relative to its cost. But, because the producers and financiers don't come out of it in the red, you're able to build on the success a la Batman Begins begetting The Dark Knight.

Who knows where WB's mind is now? There's going to be a lot of infighting between divisions, but I don't think anyone in charge really gives a rat's ass about certain factions of fanboys and girls.
 
I am not a fan of Routh. But, it was the story and the background (ie-Lex as criminal) that was more the reason I didn't like SR. If Routh is in the reboot. I will still see it. I am a Superman fan. I am sure the same can be said for those who don't like Welling. They will still go see the movie. And hopefully the story and background are great and they won't care.
Also, I think the Superman fan base was split not because of Routh..But, because of how the story was handled...Donnerverse, Lex and especially Jason. And like Rakumon said. The fanbase (those who either are Welling or Routh devotees) are not that large. Welling has a bit of advantage since Smallville pulls in 5 million viewers per week. And I can almost guarantee that you will automatically have 5 million ticket buyers if Welling is in the movie.
 
The problem with that is its alienating the one half of the fan base that does not like Welling

Wait, who says 1/2 the fanbase doesnt like Welling? :confused: How do you substantiate that number? Any Superman casting poll that his name is ever in, that's on an unbiased site, he normally slaughters the field. Most longtime Superman fans, like myself, actually like the guy.
 
Again, fanboys are just a very tiny minority of the audience, they don't make or break a movie. Most of the general public doesn't know Tom Welling nor Smallville, so is not a problem, if the movie has a good story to tell (plus cool action), and the right casting, then it should be a huge success, unless people don't care about Superman anymore.
 
Wait, who says 1/2 the fanbase doesnt like Welling? :confused: How do you substantiate that number? Any Superman casting poll that his name is ever in, that's on an unbiased site, he normally slaughters the field. Most longtime Superman fans, like myself, actually like the guy.
I got to agree with Hulk here. It is not that the fanboys don't like Welling but more that they don't care for Smallville. I have said many times now Welling and Routh are both a victum of the project they were in. I mean many people love Routh but just hate Superman Returns and the same is said about Welling.
 
Again, fanboys are just a very tiny minority of the audience, they don't make or break a movie. Most of the general public doesn't know Tom Welling nor Smallville, so is not a problem, if the movie has a good story to tell (plus cool action), and the right casting, then it should be a huge success, unless people don't care about Superman anymore.
No the public knows them they just tuned out and lost interest.
 
Wait, who says 1/2 the fanbase doesnt like Welling? :confused: How do you substantiate that number? Any Superman casting poll that his name is ever in, that's on an unbiased site, he normally slaughters the field. Most longtime Superman fans, like myself, actually like the guy.
I'm a longtime Superman fan and I don't like him. The "Most" in your phrase is total speculation.
 
I'm a longtime Superman fan and I don't like him. The "Most" in your phrase is total speculation.

The fact that you dont like him, doesnt invalidate my comment as I said "most" noit "all." So I'm not sure why you felt the need to point that out? :confused:

In my experiences talking with long time fans, and by "long time" I mean those of us who were around pre-crisis, and not kids who consider 10 years a long time, most of them have no issue with Welling. Pointing out that it's specualtive is rather pointless since it's a given I havent talked to every one in the world but rather it's coming from my point of view over the past 8 years on the web, talking to people, polls, etc.
 
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