The Dark Knight Rises Two-Face in the Third Film?

Would Two-Face work in BB3?

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:huh: Batman did break his one rule....he killed Two-Face.

In order to save an innocent life. Batman had to push Dent away. It's not like Batman killed him deliberately. He could have survived the fallen, but he didn't.

With Joker it would have been a completely different thing. At least the times Batman had the chance to kill him.

Now, with Ra's al Ghul; that's still incoherent to me.
 
Two-Face story was already told in Dark Knight so he finished plus Nolan said he was dead anyways.
 
Two-Face story was already told in Dark Knight so he finished plus Nolan said he was dead anyways.

Two-Face was barely in The Dark Knight, and I think there could be a lot more story to tell. In fact I'm honestly not sure that they could wrap up the storyline of TDK without using either the Joker or Two-Face again. In order to clear his name, it seems like the people of Gotham would have to somehow learn about the existence of Two-Face.

Maybe the original plan called for Two-Face to die, but Ledger's death might have changed the plan. And as for the funeral: we never saw a body in a casket. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that Gordon is hiding Harvey somewhere, trying to let him heal. You could even say that Bruce Wayne is paying for his treatment, which he's done many times in the comics.
 
I'll quote Teddy from Memento on this one " I f***ing hope not!"

I was a big fan of Aaron Eckhart from his performance from Thank You For Smoking, after I saw that my expectations for him when he was cast in TDK were way above and beyond the way he played it in TDK, I guess I had my hopes too high and expected too much, oh well. Yes I thought it was good, but I thought there would be more scenes of him in TDK and an eventual fight scene with him and Batman.
 
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I'll quote Teddy from Memento on this one " I f***ing hope not!"

I was a big fan of Aaron Eckhart from his performance from Thank You For Smoking, after I saw that my expectations for him when he was cast in TDK were way above and beyond the way he played it in TDK, I guess I had my hopes too high and expected too much, oh well. Yes I thought it was good, but I thought there would be more scenes of him in TDK and an eventual fight scene with him and Batman.

A guy with half his face burned off wouldn't be able to actually fight Batman. Batman would've downed him in seconds. The hostage standoff was about as realistic a conflict between them as we could expect.
 
A guy with half his face burned off wouldn't be able to actually fight Batman. Batman would've downed him in seconds. The hostage standoff was about as realistic a conflict between them as we could expect.

Ok, you win, I guess your right.
 
I'll quote Teddy from Memento on this one " I f***ing hope not!"

I was a big fan of Aaron Eckhart from his performance from Thank You For Smoking, after I saw that my expectations for him when he was cast in TDK were way above and beyond the way he played it in TDK, I guess I had my hopes too high and expected too much, oh well. Yes I thought it was good, but I thought there would be more scenes of him in TDK and an eventual fight scene with him and Batman.

I thought Eckhart was incredible and felt like his performance kind of got lost in the shuffle, so to speak. I wasn't a huge fan of the way they treated Two-Face, but I can't blame Eckhart for that.
 
What, thematically or dramatically, is there left to do with Two-face, that wasn't done competentley enough in TDK? not much, really.

the best stuff has always been the tragedy of Dent's fall, at least to me. I never bought the whole "starts robbing banks on the 2nd" schtick. The desperate, hopeless loss of Dent, both personal and in terms of his idealism, was the most compelling potrayol of Harvey/Two-face i've ever seen.

that scene is, for me, the most gripping of the movie. I don't think we need to see him again. He(and his story) was done exceptionally well in TDK.
 
the thing that gets me is okay Batman could get away with lying to the public, but what about Gordon? I mean, what would they say when it comes out that he lied?
 
COMPO they will understand he lied for the better of the public. I mean come on Gordon is one of few cops who was never corrupt and risked his life saving the mayor who Joker tried to kill. So hey man people will understand.
 
That's sort of doubtfull. I mean, would that be the case in the real world? if a figure is favourable in the public and/or the media, it usually doesn't take much for them to be hastily villified whenever they are found to be doing anything...unsavoury. soemtimes even for very little reason at all.

Gordon would be hounded out of the role of commisioner.
 
What, thematically or dramatically, is there left to do with Two-face, that wasn't done competentley enough in TDK? not much, really.

Complete the idea of a city falling into chaos. Show some actual struggles from Two-Face.

Oh, wait. He's dead.
 
That's sort of doubtfull. I mean, would that be the case in the real world? if a figure is favourable in the public and/or the media, it usually doesn't take much for them to be hastily villified whenever they are found to be doing anything...unsavoury. soemtimes even for very little reason at all.

Gordon would be hounded out of the role of commisioner.

Yeah true but they will figure out a way. Nolan a smart man.
 
I wouldn't be complaining if Two-Face came back. Who would? Half the people who saw "The Dark Knight" in theaters have doubts about Two-Face's death. Everybody asks me "Did Two-Face really die?" If they brought him back midway through the movie in some sort of awesome twist that fit in well with the story, the general audience would eat it up.

I was thinking the same way about Rachel. The deaths of Rachel and Harvey in the Dark Knight were (for a lack of a better word) "vague" to me but in a good way. It makes you think that they died, but question maybe they didn't (ie. because of no funeral scenes, morgue scenes and stuff like that etc.).
 
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COMPO they will understand he lied for the better of the public. I mean come on Gordon is one of few cops who was never corrupt and risked his life saving the mayor who Joker tried to kill. So hey man people will understand.

Will they?

I mean, let's analyze; if they can understand the whole situation then that means they can understand both Gordon (and Batman) lying AND the fact that Dent was corrupted and became a murderer.

And since they can understand both things together, wouldn't it have been better if they were honest from the very beginning, to begin with? I mean, there wasn't a real reason to lie if people is so understanding.

But in general I don't think people are too keen on authorities lying to them no matter how “good” the reason could seem. Because if they take the liberty of lying - and it’s not like a temporary lie, Gordon and Batman planned to keep that lie forever – then who’s to say they won’t be lying again? And who’s to say the next time the reason to lie will be this “good”? When someone think he got away with a lie then nothing’s there to keep him from lying again. Which leads me the next point; are people in general always agreed on things so we can say they will all understand? Is every Gothamite going to say “Yes, that’s a good reason to lie, I condone this”? I mean, in a world where people’s opinions are usually divided in topics like presidential candidates or - specially - about ethics (Should we accept homosexuals? Should we bomb this or that country?)

I really doubt people will just “understand” what Gordon and Batman did by lying. If they did, as I said, then there’s no reason to lie to begin with.

For me this is a far more difficult “dead end” plot to solve than, say, Superman’s son and Lois’ reationship with Richard in SR (which is usually said to be “a dead end that’s impossible to fix”). Because they either believe Batman to be a criminal forever (and Batman spends the rest of his life a fugitive) or they realize that Batman is able to lie to them and he ceases to be this ‘inspiring symbol’ he’s trying to be.




I was thinking the same way about Rachel. The deaths of Rachel and Harvey in the Dark Knight are (for a lack of a better word) "vague" to me but in a good way. It makes you think that they died, but question maybe they didn't (ie. because of no funeral scenes, morgue scenes and stuff like that etc.).


There are simply dozens and dozens of movies where they don’t show morgue or funeral scenes in order to state someone’s dead. When things are so evident specially, like in this case. That’s like saying I doubt Gordon has biological functions since I never saw a scene of him having a pee so it’s all “vague.”

That said, what exactly from the shot of Rachel’s face being violently surrounded by the flames do you call “vague”? Or are we supposed to think that someone – in this web of lies about who’s dead and who’s not the “heroes” of Gotham are always weaving – thought for some unfathomable reason that it would be a good idea to fake Rachel’s death even to Batman himself?
 
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There are simply dozens and dozens of movies where they don’t show morgue or funeral scenes in order to state someone’s dead. When things are so evident specially, like in this case. That’s like saying I doubt Gordon has biological functions since I never saw a scene of him having a pee so it’s all “vague.”

That said, what exactly from the shot of Rachel’s face being violently surrounded by the flames do you call “vague”? Or are we supposed to think that someone – in this web of lies about who’s dead and who’s not the “heroes” of Gotham are always weaving – thought for some unfathomable reason that it would be a good idea to fake Rachel’s death even to Batman himself?

I guess I know that they're dead .. but ... when I first saw the movie ... I think because the shots were so fast (to me) of the death of Rachel (I just saw an explosion from a building) was what made me think that she wasn't dead. I kept questioning what happened to her. But after watching the Dark Knight again, I guess she really is dead. And watching the scene where Bruce was upset, made me realize that she was gone. I guess I wasn't paying attention. When I watched it again I saw her hair get blown, I didn't catch it the first time.
 
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he is dead however, his character is used as a motive to lure out Batman from his "early retirement. The entire story of Dark Knight is Bruce trying to stray away from being that Bat, at the first given opportunity. But, it's because of Harvey's demise that he can't stop being the Batman. This is good for Nolan because it's a continuation and a story that needs to be told. "Can Bruce live a life without Batman?" That "question" and so much more will be answered in the new Bat flick!
 
In order to save an innocent life. Batman had to push Dent away. It's not like Batman killed him deliberately. He could have survived the fallen, but he didn't.

With Joker it would have been a completely different thing. At least the times Batman had the chance to kill him.

i noticed that for the first time re-watching the movie last night. i guess batman did break his one rule, but since it was to save an innocent life and theoretically dent could've survived the fall, so i gues its ok?
 
i noticed that for the first time re-watching the movie last night. i guess batman did break his one rule, but since it was to save an innocent life and theoretically dent could've survived the fall, so i gues its ok?

Not for Batman. I'll bet he'll be really psychologically troubled after the events of TDK. More so than usual. :hehe:
 
Nolan is a genius and will either use a different villian or will bring 2-Face back. He states that he only works on one film at a time, but I don't think that's completely true and he probably has ideas for a 3rd film just as he had ideas for TDK when he was doing Batman Begins. It's no accident that the movies were set up for the next film.... batman Begins ends with introducing the Joker. TDK ends with introducing 2-Face. Yes, that's how it ends... HE is 2-face the villian when he falls off the ledge... and the whole 'die a hero, live long enough to be a villian' line makes sense. It could be that 2-Face was set up for the 3rd movie despite the fact that the script clearly says he is dead with his neck broken. Anyone that knows anythign about film production knows that scripts change all the time... sometimes endings are re-filmed all together. If Nolan thinks its a good idea to bring back 2-face because it serves the ideas of the film... then he will... despite what he may have already stated about the character.
 
^You just reminded me of something. The phrase "you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain" is repeated twice in the movie. Dent died a "hero", while Batman lived to become the "villain". If Two-Face survives, that'll ruin the theme Nolan ran through TDK.
 
i noticed that for the first time re-watching the movie last night. i guess batman did break his one rule, but since it was to save an innocent life and theoretically dent could've survived the fall, so i gues its ok?

The movie shjould have taken a few seconds to reflect on that. Anyways there was no easy way out. Not killing Dent would have meant allowing the child to die. I'm sure Batman tried to save both but nothing else could be made. No matter who died it wasn't going to be easy for Batman.
 
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