The Dark Knight Rises Two-Face to return?...Maybe

[Doctor Jones]

at Eckhart's laugh about the queation and him avoiding it.

 

[jmc]

I swear Eckhart is doing this just to cause a fanboy frenzy. The guy knows how to play the crowd. t:

 

[cerealkiller182]

I don't know, did he? Show me an EXACT QUOTE where Nolan says specifically that Two-Face is dead..

The screenplay published in The Dark Knight: Featuring Production Art and Full Shooting Script that said "Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD."

and an audio interview here with Jonathan Nolan
http://www.incontention.com/?p=1010
which is still kinda vague, and nothing is set in stone, but Im pretty sure its a safe bet that there is at least no plans AT THIS TIME to bring him back.

 

[Bathead]

What I can't figure is if TF is for sure dead,why doesn't Eckhart just say so, instead of deliberately trying to not answer by laughing it off. He had no compunction about stating in the original interview that Dent was not coming back, why be so mysterious about it now? What's changed?

 

[cerealkiller182]

http://www.hecklerspray.com/more-batman-3-eckhart-says-two-face-is-dead-dead-dead/200815991.php

Eckhart says Nolan says TF is dead

 

[El Payaso]

I swear Eckhart is doing this just to cause a fanboy frenzy. The guy knows how to play the crowd. t:

That would be praise-worthy if it weren't so damn easy.

 

[Jick]

I don't know, did he? Show me an EXACT QUOTE where Nolan says specifically that Two-Face is dead..

:facepalm
Harvey Dent...Two-Face...
Both are in the same body. If one dies, the other dies. This thing of "Harvey Dent died, but Two-Face is alive" is just pure fanboyism by now.
"He is dead as a door nail. He ain’t coming back baby! I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, “You’re dead” before I could even get the question out of my mouth. “Hey Chris, am I?” “You’re dead!” Alright, cool"

"You’re dead!". He said this directly to Aaron, who played Harvey Two-Face Dent. So this means, in case you can't interpret, that Harvey Two-Face Dent is dead.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I really think nothing is set in stone. Chris has no idea where he is going to go with it or if hes even going to go anywhere at all. I think Eckhart is campaigning to come back, but I dont think theres anywhere else to go with the Two-Face character that would be better than what we got at this point, so I am cool with them moving on.

 

[Jick]

If Nolan comes now and says "you know what...I changed my mind. TF is not dead anymore", there's simply nothing I can do.
But when he said to Aaron that his character was dead, he seemed pretty sure of what he was saying. He didn't even let Aaron finish his line.

 

[Mastodon123]

If Nolan comes now and says "you know what...I changed my mind. TF is not dead anymore", there's simply nothing I can do.
But when he said to Aaron that his character was dead, he seemed pretty sure of what he was saying. He didn't even let Aaron finish his line.

Oh? So can assume you were standing beside them when Chris said that to Aaron?

 

[cerealkiller182]

Oh? So can assume you were standing beside them when Chris said that to Aaron?

edit- maybe I misread that

 

[Jick]

Oh? So can assume you were standing beside them when Chris said that to Aaron?

“You’re dead”
Before I could even get the question out of my mouth. “Hey Chris, am I?” “You’re dead!”

No. I read it.

 

[kid dropper]

Theres just no credible way to bring him back . If they used that whole "Man in the Iron Mask" scenario where he's in hidden captivity somewhere and theres this vast conspiracy to cover it up, the cheapness of such a far flung, desperate plot device would reek throughout the entire proceedings, no matter how fine and epic a film they crafted on top of it. Let him rest in peace. I wish we'd have gotten full fledged crimelord Two Face as well, but they chose to quite famously and obviously kill him, and thats that. Bring on the other freaks en masse, make gotham gotham, and restore Bats to public honor. These things will help us cope with Dent's loss.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Theres just no credible way to bring him back . If they used that whole "Man in the Iron Mask" scenario where he's in hidden captivity somewhere and theres this vast conspiracy to cover it up, the cheapness of such a far flung, desperate plot device would reek throughout the entire proceedings, no matter how fine and epic a film they crafted on top of it. Let him rest in peace. I wish we'd have gotten full fledged crimelord Two Face as well, but they chose to quite famously and obviously kill him, and thats that. Bring on the other freaks en masse, make gotham gotham, and restore Bats to public honor. These things will help us cope with Dent's loss.

I disagree completely. I think there are plenty of ways to "bring him back."

To be honest, I don't even think "bring him back" is the correct term. In the movie they left his death incredibly ambiguous.

Just because Nolan decides to tell the media a few months later that Two-Face is dead doesn't make it so. There has been no new script or writing to confirm it, and we'll have to wait for a future movie (or more) to find that out for sure.

I'm willing to believe Nolan that Two-Face is dead, but in his movies, Harvey's death wasn't confirmed. We saw a memorial. No funeral, no grave, and most of all, no body.

If you don't see a body, (s)he isn't dead.

Believe me, I believe that Two-Face is dead if Nolan says so. However, I DO NOT believe it is canon until the next movie comes out and confirms it for itself.

 

[kid dropper]

A memorial is held for someone who dies. not someone who is seriously injured. we saw his body . Bats and Gordon were standing by it. They had a whole conversation beside it.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Ambiguous? What did you want an autopsy?

 

[kid dropper]

Ambiguous? What did you want an autopsy?

seriously! i know, right? If Dent's death is ambiguous, then so is the concept of the movie's existence itself or the idea that any of us ever even went and saw it.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

A memorial is held for someone who dies. not someone who is seriously injured. we saw his body . Bats and Gordon were standing by it. They had a whole conversation beside it.

For all you know, they may very well use the "in hiding" premise, or some other related premise. I'm aware that they were standing behind it, but there was just about enough time for ambulance to get there if he was simply "dying" instead of "dead."

Ambiguous? What did you want an autopsy?

That'd be nice. Yes, they left it pretty ambiguous. He fell, and layed breathless on the ground. These are not only symptoms of someone who is dead.

As I said, I believe Nolan when he said "Two-Face is dead." However, I won't deny that I walked out of the theatres opening night saying, "Two-Face is not dead," as did many of the people I know.

However, I'm also willing to believe Nolan will do what he thinks is right, and bring Two-Face back (and claim there was no death) if he believes he can do it justifiably.

 

[Mastodon123]

A memorial is held for someone who dies. not someone who is seriously injured. we saw his body . Dent and Gordon were standing by it. They had a whole conversation beside it.

There was no body at the funeral is what he means. People could just assume his body was blown to bits in the hospital explosion. For the 3rd film they don't even have to have Two Face locked away somewhere. There could just be a flashback from TDK where Gordon leaves the scene where Dent fell, and when Gordon gets back Dent is gone. It wouldn't be that hard to "bring him back."

 

[IAmTheKnight]

If he is indeed dead, then it was handled pretty poorly. It's been brought up before: The complete lack of reaction from Gordon and Batman is something that makes zero sense if Harvey is dead. You're telling me that after EVERYTHING that happened with these people in the film, that neither of them is going to react? Gordon isn't going to stagger? Batman isn't going to acknowledge the fact that, justified or not, he just killed Harvey Dent--all the while he's talking about taking the blame for deaths he DIDN'T have a hand in? That's bogus.

This is the biggest reason it makes it hard for me to take that Dent is dead. If they had properly addressed the fact that Batman now has this on his conscience, then I would be far more willing to let it go, but again, if he's dead, Gordon and Batman's lack of reaction is a real flaw.

Throw on the reasons TO have him in the film, and boom! You've got a bunch of people wanting him to return in the next film.

 

[Victarion]

I don't think his laugh really means anything. If Two-Face does end up returning--if Nolan wants him to, without coercion from studio executives--then that's just fine too. I feel that in this universe, Two-Face was intended as an example of the kind of changes brought on by Batman, in an indirect way. I felt that since Joker applies makeup, he was inspired by Batman. Joker inspired Two-Face to embrance chance. He is an example of how Batman is changing things.

 

[Jick]

There could just be a flashback from TDK where Gordon leaves the scene where Dent fell, and when Gordon gets back Dent is gone. It wouldn't be that hard to "bring him back."

Well, then Gordon wouldn't be making a whole speech about Harvey on the following day. He'd be hunting Harvey.

 

[Mastodon123]

Well, then Gordon wouldn't be making a whole speech about Harvey on the following day. He'd be hunting Harvey.

Whose the main character? Batman or Gordon? Gordon would be busy "hunting" Batman, while Batman is busy hunting Two Face.

 

[Jick]

Whose the main character? Batman or Gordon? Gordon would be busy "hunting" Batman, while Batman is busy hunting Two Face.

Oh Jesus...
Did you see the movie? Did you notice that Gordon made a speech telling the people of the city about Harvey's death in the following day of Two-Face's demise?
He wouldn't be doing that if, when he got back to the scene, Two-Face wasn't there anymore.

 

[cerealkiller182]

That'd be nice. Yes, they left it pretty ambiguous. He fell, and layed breathless on the ground. These are not only symptoms of someone who is dead.

Overkill much.