Drama USA's Suits - Part 1

This show returned this week for season 7.

By the end of the episode, Donna is now a senior partner and Rachel is in charge of the associates instead of Louis. And Harvey is now managing partner.

It seems only a day has passed since the end of season 6. Is there now going to be a time jump of a few months for the next episode, or is it still going to be continuing as if it were the early part of 2017?
 
This show returned this week for season 7.

By the end of the episode, Donna is now a senior partner and Rachel is in charge of the associates instead of Louis. And Harvey is now managing partner.

It seems only a day has passed since the end of season 6. Is there now going to be a time jump of a few months for the next episode, or is it still going to be continuing as if it were the early part of 2017?



:huh: how?Ive yet to watch this weeks episode but how in the hell is this even possible ?
 
FYI, is that even possible?! Can you just buy your way into a partnership in that manner? Never heard of that. Just seems weird for a former secretary to just jump to being able to order around Senior partners.
 
Donna said that some of the other top law firms had senior partners who weren't lawyers. I'm not sure how it worked though. I'd have to watch that bit again. I don't know if it's true she can do that. Louis obviously protested at first.

But it seems they need her to manage the running of the firm and she feels she needs the authority to make decisions which she can't do simply as secretary.

And Harvey's therapist is back.
 
FYI, is that even possible?! Can you just buy your way into a partnership in that manner? Never heard of that. Just seems weird for a former secretary to just jump to being able to order around Senior partners.

No, its not possible. The Rules of Professional Responsibility (the Bar's ethical standard) prohibit non-lawyers from being partners, profit-sharers or managers in a law firm. The thought behind it is it compromises the independence of a lawyer when there is someone in a senior leadership position whose only interest in the firm is a financial one. Here is the ABA model rule, 5.4(b)-(d).

ABA Model Rules of Professional Responsibility said:
(b) A lawyer shall not form a partnership with a nonlawyer if any of the activities of the partnership consist of the practice of law.

(c) A lawyer shall not permit a person who recommends, employs, or pays the lawyer to render legal services for another to direct or regulate the lawyer's professional judgment in rendering such legal services.

(d) A lawyer shall not practice with or in the form of a professional corporation or association authorized to practice law for a profit, if:

(1) a nonlawyer owns any interest therein, except that a fiduciary representative of the estate of a lawyer may hold the stock or interest of the lawyer for a reasonable time during administration;

(2) a nonlawyer is a corporate director or officer thereof or occupies the position of similar responsibility in any form of association other than a corporation ; or

(3) a nonlawyer has the right to direct or control the professional judgment of a lawyer.

Fun fact, it would also, undoubtedly, be malpractice to allow a law student to supervise the caseload of all of your associates, no matter how many years she worked a paralegal for. Heck, it would probably be malpractice to allow a first or second year associate to do that.
 
Well Suits has never abided by ethics from the start. Mike Ross was being counsel on various law cases when he wasn't an actual lawyer at the time.

I couldn't remember if Rachel is still a law student or if she had graduated. They should really have had a bit of a time jump of at least a few months from the last episode of the last season and this new season instead of just being set the following day.
 
Overall I liked the premier episode. Louis and Gretchen are such great characters. I absolutely HATE that Donna is..<vomit>...a senior partner. The rationale they used to elevate her to that position was absurd.

I want Jessica to come back and lay the smack down on Donna like she did in a previous episode when Donna overstepped her position in the organization.

Harvey really looked like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders and I'm glad he has found the therapist.

I'm really disliking Mike for the way he treats people despite stating all the time how nice he is or how much good he wants to do. I'm glad the one lawyer from the small firm really gave it to Mike.

This show is so good but man this Donna thing is very annoying and I think it will get worse. I'm hoping Donna does something stupid and people realize that she is not qualified to be a <vomit> senior partner.
 
You can bring it up but the writers will just handwave it by it being tv.
 
The only issue I have with this "Donna is senior partner" thing is they seem to be focusing more on her wanting to be one so she can tell people what to do more than she's good at running the day to day of the business.

I mean, I get that she is unsettled with where she is in life, but that's a HUGE step from secretary to senior partner of a law firm. Though, this is a show that started out with a fake lawyer as a premise, so there's that.
 
The only issue I have with this "Donna is senior partner" thing is they seem to be focusing more on her wanting to be one so she can tell people what to do more than she's good at running the day to day of the business.

I mean, I get that she is unsettled with where she is in life, but that's a HUGE step from secretary to senior partner of a law firm. Though, this is a show that started out with a fake lawyer as a premise, so there's that.

Agreed. The problem with promoting Donna to senior partner is that she is not qualified. No matter how long you have worked for the company or how much you think you are qualified, in the end you actually need credentials. Also, $500,000 isn't even a lot of money when you compare it to the millions that is being thrown around.

I'm sure the quickly mentioned "other non-lawyers advancing to senior partner level" might be true but how many of them were secretaries?

I don't think the fake lawyer premise invalidates the reality aspect of the show. The show has covered that premise and dealt with it. The other funny thing is that Gretchen also tries to tell Donna that she is out of line expecting to be elevated to a higher position. I love Gretchen and she deserves more respect and recognition than Donna who is now acting like an entitled power hungry snob.
 
Agreed. The problem with promoting Donna to senior partner is that she is not qualified. No matter how long you have worked for the company or how much you think you are qualified, in the end you actually need credentials. Also, $500,000 isn't even a lot of money when you compare it to the millions that is being thrown around.

I'm sure the quickly mentioned "other non-lawyers advancing to senior partner level" might be true but how many of them were secretaries?

I don't think the fake lawyer premise invalidates the reality aspect of the show. The show has covered that premise and dealt with it. The other funny thing is that Gretchen also tries to tell Donna that she is out of line expecting to be elevated to a higher position. I love Gretchen and she deserves more respect and recognition than Donna who is now acting like an entitled power hungry snob.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Donna character and she is definitely overqualified for her job, but she's definitely not qualified to be a non-lawyer senior partner telling other senior partners (who are actually lawyers) what to do. I really find it hard to believe that $500,000 can buy you that much power.

But I'm sure they'll spend the whole season trying to prove otherwise.
 
I don't think other external lawyers are going to respect her, knowing she is only qualified to be a secretary. They might not say it to her face but might talk behind her back like they did when she was expecting to easily close that deal with those investors for the Donna personal assistant.
 
The other dramatic issue that I see happening is that Harvey is going to fight a losing battle in defending Donna being a senior partner. Their whole (lawyer, upper class) world revolves around reputation and power which will make Pearson Spectre Litt a laughing stock of the industry.

The firm is still trying to get back to being a reputable firm and this kind of move just undermines their status. It took Louis several years and lots of underhanded and brilliant things before becoming a named partner. Like him or not, Louis is a very accomplished lawyer and his intelligence is well respected by everybody. How is Donna ever going to stand toe to toe with another lawyer? She can't.

I guess the writers have done their job in creating buzz about the show and hooked me into watching the show to see how this plays out.
 
That was an interesting twist to Donna's Senior Partner request. I can buy her more as a COO than a senior partner. Her whole "needing a seat at the table" fixation is a bit annoying. It just rings as "I want to be able to tell people what to do".
 
That was an interesting twist to Donna's Senior Partner request. I can buy her more as a COO than a senior partner. Her whole "needing a seat at the table" fixation is a bit annoying. It just rings as "I want to be able to tell people what to do".

Meh. Its still impermissible. No matter how it is painted, a non-lawyer cannot have any type of management role or control over a law firm (aside from something like office manager or an HR director . . . but they certainly cannot have any role that gives them control over the firm or a "seat at the table").

Frankly, this show has been on a decline for awhile a large part of it is the Donna character. She has gone from a quirky and fun supporting role to an all-knowing, all-powerful plot device. There have literally been plots on the show that she has fixed and when asked how the answer has simply been "I'm Donna" and that's the end of it. That is lazy writing, from both a character and plot perspective.

But lazy writing has sort of become a staple of this show, to the point where it is just beyond the realm of credibility. There is always suspension of disbelief in legal shows. Trials don't happen in a day or two, but we, as viewers, allow it for the sake of drama. Court testimony, arguments, etc are never that compelling or heated. But again, we allow it for the sake of drama. But the notion that Mike's past could be used against him as a jury question, is, simply put, absurd.

Even to a non-lawyer, watch any legal show and you will see someone stand up and say "objection, relevancy." The history of an attorney is in no way relevant to facts at issue in any case. In fact, the argument that "A hired Attorney B, who is dishonest, ergo A is dishonest" would be unconstitutional. It infringes on one's freedom to choose their attorney (which is something the Supreme Court has upheld as a fundamental right on numerous occasions, it is why lawyers cannot have noncompete clauses, something this show has also disregarded). I don't expect this show to get every nuance of the legal system, criminal, and civil procedure right. But it should at least get the basic constitutional provisions that affect of our legal system somewhat right.

But it doesn't bother with that and the reason why is the writers are lazy. Rather than move on to new and interesting dilemmas for these characters, now that the issue of Mike's secret has been resolved, they instead just keep falling back on it in increasingly absurd manners (i.e. "will the bar let Mike be an attorney even though he has never attended law school and fraudulently practiced law?! Yes! They will. Because by fraudulently practicing law he showed that he can practice law" . . . stuff like this goes beyond suspension of disbelief).

This is what happened on Burn Notice as well. They resolved who burned Michael and rather than move on, the writers just kept falling back on "but wait! There was one more super secret member of the conspiracy and he/she was the real mastermind!" That person gets killed and then "but really it was this person who was the true mastermind!" and so on and so forth.

USA's biggest weakness as a network is that it doesn't know when to end its shows. Instead the writers will drag out plots the point of absurdity and destroy any good will they once had with the viewers. Its why USA will never be on par with a network like AMC, FX, or even TNT.

This show should have ended two seasons ago. Yet here we are. Its disappointing because it used to be really good.
 
Well at least Donna didn't stay as Senior Partner. I'm glad it didn't take long for her to be removed from that. But COO isn't much better. Just because she was good as a secretary doesn't mean she'll be good in this role. She could be promoted to her level of incompetence.

I'm glad to see Amanda Schull again. She somehow seems younger in this show than in 12 Monkeys. But she also seems to have slightly lost her naughtiness here and become more sensible.
 
Well at least Donna didn't stay as Senior Partner. I'm glad it didn't take long for her to be removed from that. But COO isn't much better. Just because she was good as a secretary doesn't mean she'll be good in this role. She could be promoted to her level of incompetence.

I'm glad to see Amanda Schull again. She somehow seems younger in this show than in 12 Monkeys. But she also seems to have slightly lost her naughtiness here and become more sensible.

It's funny, everyone in the show is screaming "you deserve to be Senior Partner Donna", but they couldn't have one character actually disagree with it? Being COO is still problematic, but they couldn't have made this a gradual thing over the last 2-3 seasons? It would have made alot more sense then.
 
Meh. Its still impermissible. No matter how it is painted, a non-lawyer cannot have any type of management role or control over a law firm (aside from something like office manager or an HR director . . . but they certainly cannot have any role that gives them control over the firm or a "seat at the table").

Frankly, this show has been on a decline for awhile a large part of it is the Donna character. She has gone from a quirky and fun supporting role to an all-knowing, all-powerful plot device. There have literally been plots on the show that she has fixed and when asked how the answer has simply been "I'm Donna" and that's the end of it. That is lazy writing, from both a character and plot perspective.

But lazy writing has sort of become a staple of this show, to the point where it is just beyond the realm of credibility. There is always suspension of disbelief in legal shows. Trials don't happen in a day or two, but we, as viewers, allow it for the sake of drama. Court testimony, arguments, etc are never that compelling or heated. But again, we allow it for the sake of drama. But the notion that Mike's past could be used against him as a jury question, is, simply put, absurd.

Even to a non-lawyer, watch any legal show and you will see someone stand up and say "objection, relevancy." The history of an attorney is in no way relevant to facts at issue in any case. In fact, the argument that "A hired Attorney B, who is dishonest, ergo A is dishonest" would be unconstitutional. It infringes on one's freedom to choose their attorney (which is something the Supreme Court has upheld as a fundamental right on numerous occasions, it is why lawyers cannot have noncompete clauses, something this show has also disregarded). I don't expect this show to get every nuance of the legal system, criminal, and civil procedure right. But it should at least get the basic constitutional provisions that affect of our legal system somewhat right.

But it doesn't bother with that and the reason why is the writers are lazy. Rather than move on to new and interesting dilemmas for these characters, now that the issue of Mike's secret has been resolved, they instead just keep falling back on it in increasingly absurd manners (i.e. "will the bar let Mike be an attorney even though he has never attended law school and fraudulently practiced law?! Yes! They will. Because by fraudulently practicing law he showed that he can practice law" . . . stuff like this goes beyond suspension of disbelief).

This is what happened on Burn Notice as well. They resolved who burned Michael and rather than move on, the writers just kept falling back on "but wait! There was one more super secret member of the conspiracy and he/she was the real mastermind!" That person gets killed and then "but really it was this person who was the true mastermind!" and so on and so forth.

USA's biggest weakness as a network is that it doesn't know when to end its shows. Instead the writers will drag out plots the point of absurdity and destroy any good will they once had with the viewers. Its why USA will never be on par with a network like AMC, FX, or even TNT.

This show should have ended two seasons ago. Yet here we are. Its disappointing because it used to be really good.

She needs to one day say "I'm Batman." That would explain everything. :o
 
This season seems to have more expletives than usual. Now we're getting the F word dropped in almost every episode, with mother ****er just dropped in this week's one.

Also, Jessica's ploy to unite the partners could easily have backfired.

I wonder if they should merge with Zane. It might inject fresh blood into the storylines. It seems they've been talking about it among the characters, but only as a fake merger so far.
 
They're takking the shock value route like Blood Drive is.
 
A very good episode and I'm glad the way they are handling the Donna promotion. Jessica's gamble was definitely a surprise and could have hurt the firm badly. I really like how they have nicely integrated Alex into the core group. He seems more part of the group than Mike nowadays.

I love Robert Zane and would love to see him more on the show. I think a merger would be great. If they were to merge what would the new firm's name be? Zane, Pearson, Specter, and Litt? You know Robert is going to demand that his name be first.
 
I was taken aback by the "mother......" line by Alex. He's a great addition to the cast this season. :D I like how the USA shows are now open to using that kind of language without making it gratuitous. Even Shooter dropped an F-bomb this season.
 
Agreed, I was shocked that they came so close to using that word. It was very clever bleeping.
 
Agreed, I was shocked that they came so close to using that word. It was very clever bleeping.

I heard mother ****er unbleeped and said in all its fullness. But in previous episodes in this season I heard the F word slightly muted, as if they just said said "F---" but stopped short of saying it.

Maybe it depends on the broadcast?
 
I heard mother ****er unbleeped and said in all its fullness. But in previous episodes in this season I heard the F word slightly muted, as if they just said said "F---" but stopped short of saying it.

Maybe it depends on the broadcast?

I heard it in full too.
 

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