War Zone Box Office Thread

[Nivek]

Good comparison.

 

[grout]

"Wanted" was better then PWZ?...I guess everybody likes what they like. Just because wanted had some stars dosent make it good..matter of fact it sucked and please tell me where this massive story was in wanted?

Man I really think people are just to harsh on PWZ.. It was gritty, dark, and yes one dimensional kinda like Frank.. your a criminal your gonna die. Frank doesnt sit on a chair and think about it too much if you catch my point.

 

[Superark]

I didn't see this, I will hold out until its on DVD in a few months or dollar theaters, which will probably be here in by the beginning of January.

But that Box Office is abysmal! It's very sad to see any comic property make so little money.

 

[Rukus]

It's too bad the numbers aren't that good the movie is really not that bad. When I went to see it on the 9th theres was only two other people in the theatre.

 

[rogue trooper]

I didn't see this, I will hold out until its on DVD in a few months or dollar theaters, which will probably be here in by the beginning of January.

But that Box Office is abysmal! It's very sad to see any comic property make so little money.

You could make a differance by seeing it now.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In this case one person can't make a difference. The Day the Earth Stood Still is going to have a pretty good opening so it's going to take away screens. And next weekend a thousand movies are being released and it's going to have hardly any screens then. Theaters are going to drop it like a bad habit on the 19th. It's dead in the water. Do to the horrible opening I could see it not dropping horribly this weekend though.

 

[Superark]

You could make a differance by seeing it now.

Haha

With such bad reviews I'm not willing to risk the 9 dollars and gas to maybe be entertained.

 

[rogue trooper]

Haha

With such bad reviews I'm not willing to risk the 9 dollars and gas to maybe be entertained.

...well, it's up to 20% at Rotten Tomatoes. A certain good word of mouth is taking place.

 

[PunisherPoster]

Do to the horrible opening I could see it not dropping horribly this weekend though.

And that's really the only chance it probably has left at the box office. The upside of only grossing $1.6 million on your first day is that it won't be hard to avoid a huge dropoff.

According to the vice chairman of Lionsgate, this movie only cost them $22 million to release. So even if it just makes another $4 million this weekend, that will go a long way towards recouping its cost.

The 2004 version was highly unpopular, yet went on to gross more than $40 million on dvd. It wouldn't surprise me if- as the Lionsgate exec suggests- this new version also goes on to "overperform" on dvd. The film may have no chance of reaching $100 million, $50 million, or even $25 million at the box office. But the reality is that its budget was so low, it really doesn't need to.

 

[citizenpain]

i just saw this film on wednesday at 2:25 in the afternoon and was sure me and 2 of my friends would be the only people in the place. however, there were probably like 30-40 people in the theater. surpising, seeing as how lots of people on here were talking about the theaters being almost empty on opening weekend, but then again, i do live in the most populated city in the states.

 

[citizenpain]

Where did you get the impression I was talking about only the fans? The majority outside of your little pocket universe here has brushed the movie aside as "bad." There's no arguing against that.

so if we're not talking about the fans and we're not talking about the critics, then who exactly are we talking about? the public? just because a movie doesn't perform well doesn't instantly make it "bad."

 

[PunisherPoster]

so if we're not talking about the fans and we're not talking about the critics, then who exactly are we talking about? the public? just because a movie doesn't perform well doesn't instantly make it "bad."

Not to menion, if we go by the only indicators available to us (ie. movie website polls), it has fared much better than anyone could've expected. We can't just argue that the public has brushed it aside, when the majority of moviegoers probably weren't even aware it was released. The tracking numbers revealed that awareness was not very high among the general public.

 

[Punisher 04]

It's funny how some of the people on these boards that were going to hate this film ended up liking it and some of the people who thought they were going to love it, hate it with a passion.

 

[rogue trooper]

Not to menion, if we go by the only indicators available to us (ie. movie website polls), it has fared much better than anyone could've expected. We can't just argue that the public has brushed it aside, when the majority of moviegoers probably weren't even aware it was released. The tracking numbers revealed that awareness was not very high among the general public.

You ain't kiddin'. I asked my cousin on Sunday that if he had already seen it, and he was like "oh, it's out already?" Hopefully more word will spread.

 

[S. Grundy]

After about 4 days it finally caught up to the 2004 films Friday take at the box office.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

so if we're not talking about the fans and we're not talking about the critics, then who exactly are we talking about? the public?

We're including fans, critics, and the typical theater goers in general. That's why I said:

Where did you get the impression I was talking about only the fans?

Now we'll scout for the ratings at one of the most fruitful ( ) and credible critic archives. Check out the "T-Meter Critics" and "Top Critics" pages:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/punisher_war_zone/

T-Meter Critics: 20%

Top Critics: 6%

Why am I choosing to cite those two categories instead of the RT Community? A couple of reasons. One being that RT Community census is open for any Tom, Dick, or Harry to come and rate or review. As in IMDB or Yahoo fan ratings, there's a likelihood of sock puppets, that allow for one person to register multiple accounts and boost or lower the ratings of a film. There's no credibility there. Second of all, an average person very often relies on their favorite critic to determine whether they'll see a movie or not. Yes, critics' opinions of a movie have a tendancy to sway the majority's view (there are exceptions, but few and far between). That's why so many movie trailers use quotes of praise from critics. Also keep in mind the sheer exposure of these reviews, ranging from newspapers, TV spots, internet articles spanning several websites, etc. So these negative reviews are reaching that average person.

just because a movie doesn't perform well doesn't instantly make it "bad."

That's very true. Then again, it doesn't instantly make it good. We're going to take a look at all the reasons it failed.

 

[I Am The Knight]

...well, it's up to 20% at Rotten Tomatoes. A certain good word of mouth is taking place.

That bad?

 

[grout]

You ain't kiddin'. I asked my cousin on Sunday that if he had already seen it, and he was like "oh, it's out already?" Hopefully more word will spread.

I gotta feeling PWZ will surprise after the weekend..It had a bad opening, it will get around. Word of mouth takes more then opening weekend. I said before PWZ = confusion for the casual movie goer, besides other then "earth stood still" everything else has been out for a while... Economy down, Christmas time = Pissed People, so I bet on PWZ

PWZ was a kick ass straight up thrill ride, you could not of asked for better shoot out scenes. I cannot ever see anybody other then Ray as the punisher. If they would have not found Ray they would of had to made him. Please judge for yourself and not critics..critics gave good to "wanted" gimme a break that was horrible - bend the bullet! sucked

 

[Kable24]

It's funny how some of the people on these boards that were going to hate this film ended up liking it and some of the people who thought they were going to love it, hate it with a passion.

I would be one of those people. I think the reasoning behind that is those of us who hated it before going into it went in with very low expectations. Those who went in with high expectations and pumped for it may have been disappointed in the end. I enjoyed it. I think I still prefer the 2004 one more, but I've had almost 5 years of getting into it more and more.

 

[grout]

Kable you have to admit that alot of people seemed to want to not like it in here even before it came out. I mean the Karma that followed it was bad, all you would hear is : the script, Lexi bad, PG13, fired from the movie etc.. Even if you didnt like it, it was really not a bad movie certainly not like alot of people would like you to think. I think alot of people went to see PWZ with the notion it was bad off the bat. Its easy to pick apart anything already in that state of mind. Just remember that a 10% of people that didnt like it are a hell of alot louder then the 90% that did (that is just as an example, no need to throw stats in my face)

 

[Nivek]

It's funny how some of the people on these boards that were going to hate this film ended up liking it and some of the people who thought they were going to love it, hate it with a passion.

Can't help how you feel when you see the final product. I wish I liked it more like some people here, but it still has as much wrong with it as the Dolph and Jane versions, if not more.

 

[citizenpain]

We're including fans, critics, and the typical theater goers in general. That's why I said:

Now we'll scout for the ratings at one of the most fruitful ( ) and credible critic archives. Check out the "T-Meter Critics" and "Top Critics" pages:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/punisher_war_zone/

T-Meter Critics: 20%

Top Critics: 6%

Why am I choosing to cite those two categories instead of the RT Community? A couple of reasons. One being that RT Community census is open for any Tom, Dick, or Harry to come and rate or review. As in IMDB or Yahoo fan ratings, there's a likelihood of sock puppets, that allow for one person to register multiple accounts and boost or lower the ratings of a film. There's no credibility there. Second of all, an average person very often relies on their favorite critic to determine whether they'll see a movie or not. Yes, critics' opinions of a movie have a tendancy to sway the majority's view (there are exceptions, but few and far between). That's why so many movie trailers use quotes of praise from critics. Also keep in mind the sheer exposure of these reviews, ranging from newspapers, TV spots, internet articles spanning several websites, etc. So these negative reviews are reaching that average person.

personally i usually find fan reviews more credible than the critics. sure, sometimes fans are biased towards the product and will say it's good no matter what, but at least most of the time they know their ****. critics on the other hand are often biased against a film like this and they go into it not knowing anything about the character and see it as just another violent mindless action flick so they're not even going to give it a chance.

 

[Kable24]

4 theaters in my area still have showings of the Punisher for this weekend. I wouldn't mind going to see it again, but I'm busy all weekend. I'm actually surprised they are still showing it.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

a friend of mine who is in no way shape or form a Punisher fan saw it yesterday and thought it was bad ass :-/

 

[grout]

a friend of mine who is in no way shape or form a Punisher fan saw it yesterday and thought it was bad ass :-/

I have heard the same thing by alot of people who are not fans. PWZ will pick up. It was badass, I bet it dwarfs dvd sales to jane punisher. Its not over.. I saw it twice to full theaters crowd cheering at face blown off scene. Silence of aww during gun battles, clapping and laughing during rocket scene. Word will come around. This was the version of the Punisher I wanted.