Warner Bros. Reimagining Sherlock Holmes

[DACrowe]

I have to disagree with you there. While Watson was never quite as open with his annoyance at what Holmes has done, he has gotten annoyed with Holmes before. But again, never quite to the extent of punching him in the face.

But the brawling, ladies man, gambling problem Watson, that is all very much the book Watson. He was never the bumbling bafoon of the older movies. In fact, in that regard, Law is much, much closer to the books then previous film incarnations.

While I agree Liam would also be amazing, if you're implying Brad Pitt can't act, I think you're a bit off base. The man is an amazing character actor.

Perhaps I need to return to the stories as I never considered Dr. Watson from the books to be the "muscle" of the pair as presented in these films.

And I was by no means implying that Pitt cannot act. On the contrary I am a fan of much of his work such as Fight Club, Seven, The Assassination of Jesse James, Snatch, Benjamin Button, Inglourious Basterds and more. I was more referring to Neeson being a popular actor with the mainstream and also being a great one. He has more the look and sound of Moriarty. While I like Pitt, he just is too good looking for the role and I prefer someone who looks older as Moriarty.

 

[DACrowe]

You obviously haven't seen Snatch.

Saying Brad Pitt is too American is like saying Robert Downey Jr. is too American. I seriously don't get why people continue to underestimate him when over the years he's turned out more versatile roles than many actor's today.

I forgot Snatch when I wrote that.

I was thinking more The Devil's Own which he had a terrible accent in and Seven Years in Tibet where his accent was even worse.

I do think Pitt is a good actor, but he just doesn't seem right for the role to me, though I would love to see him play a villain at some point if Jesse james doesn't count. Just not this one though.

 

[BlackLantern]

Moriarty should be a bit older and have a commanding villainous presence....Liam Neeson can do that just fine

 

[Doctor Jones]

I wouldn't mind Neeson, but I'm kind of tired of casting English actors playing English character. Not that it isn't right, but you just know how they'll play it. With Pitt, the interesting thing is, we don't know how he'll do it. With someone like neeson or Nighy it's good and obvious because we can see it.

I don't know, I want to be interested in the role. I want to wonder about how they'll play it. That's part of watching a good actor.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Perhaps I need to return to the stories as I never considered Dr. Watson from the books to be the "muscle" of the pair as presented in these films.

And I was by no means implying that Pitt cannot act. On the contrary I am a fan of much of his work such as Fight Club, Seven, The Assassination of Jesse James, Snatch, Benjamin Button, Inglourious Basterds and more. I was more referring to Neeson being a popular actor with the mainstream and also being a great one. He has more the look and sound of Moriarty. While I like Pitt, he just is too good looking for the role and I prefer someone who looks older as Moriarty.

I can see what you're saying. I'm more or less in the same camp as Dr. Jones. I would like to see Pitt because I think he would play the character in a way that would surprise us. With Liam, I would definitley like him in the role, but I feel that he wouldn't be playing it that much differently then Ras. Of course, I could be completely wrong as well.

And Watson did frequently do some dirty work with Holmes. The man was an army doctor, so he was used to getting physical. I also don't know where the idea came that he was a portly man. He's never described as being fat in the books, in fact, some of the earlier illustrations of him paint him as an average build, or even a bit thin.

It was always a bit of a pet peeve of mine, because Hound of the Baskervilles was the first Holmes story I read, and in that Watson is by himself for a good portion of the story. He ends up unraveling a good deal of the mystery himself. He was always a very competent man, but it was the later film and television adaptations that played him as pure comic relief.

 

[Lighthouse]

From Scandal in Bohemia

Sherlock: "By the way, Doctor, I shall want your cooperation."

Watson: "I shall be delighted."

Sherlock: "You don't mind breaking the law?"

Watson: "Not in the least."

Sherlock: "Nor running a chance of arrest?"

Watson: "Not in a good cause."

Sherlock: "Oh, the cause is excellent!"

Watson: "Then I am your man."

Sherlock: "I was sure that I might rely on you."

From Sign of Four, Watson describing their newest client and his future wife.

Her face had neither regularity of
feature nor beauty of complexion, but her expression was sweet
and amiable, and her large blue eyes were singularly spiritual
and sympathetic. In an experience of women which extends over
many nations and three separate continents, I have never looked
upon a face which gave a clearer promise of a refined and
sensitive nature.

 

[Lighthouse]

Double Post.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Very formulaic (bot not of a bad formula), original score, fantastic editing and tone. 8/10 I KNEW Irene Adler was actually working for Moriarty.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I wouldn't mind Neeson, but I'm kind of tired of casting English actors playing English character.

Good thing Neeson's Irish. And I know what you mean...authentic casting is a ***** lol.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Movie was ok. Probably would've liked it more if the seat I was sitting wasn't so uncomfprtable and if the stupid kid behind me wasn't kicking the seat the whole time.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I really liked the movie... I thought it felt really dark and off beat, and not at all as much of a blockbuster popcorn n candy Summer movie as I was expecting... Alot of it was quite underplayed, and there was a nice healthy balance between action and deduction.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I really liked the movie... I thought it felt really dark and off beat, and not at all as much of a blockbuster popcorn n candy Summer movie as I was expecting... Alot of it was quite underplayed, and there was a nice healthy balance between action and the deduction/mystery side of things.

 

[antsman41]

From Scandal in Bohemia



From Sign of Four, Watson describing their newest client and his future wife.

I assume you know your Holmes, I asked back one page about what books i should get to embark onto the Sherlock history, I posted the chronogical order and was wondering if the Sherlock Holmes complete novels/stories part I and II are the best bet, instead of buying each novel/ short story collection seperatly?

 

[Turtles]

when's the last time you actually looked at a picture of Brad Pitt? not saying he would be my top choice, but he doesn't look like a model these days. still a good looking guy for his age, but he looks like he can play a middle aged professor, a bit older than Sherlock and still be a physical threat as well as a cerebral one.

You call that looking old? Please, by the time they cover him in makeup and shine the lights on him at the right angles, he'll look like he's in his mid to late thirties again (it's the same with RDJ). Moriarty, to me, should not look like he's in his mid to late thirties. They can do whatever they want with Moriarty's history, clothing, and personality, I just wish they'd make him look at least a little like the old man he was envisioned as. I want him to look like Moriarty, not Moriarty's middle aged son, Moriarty Jr.

I know some people mentioned that a guy like Brad Pitt should get the role mainly because he'll do something new and exciting with it, unlike Liam Neeson (who I'm not liking either, to tell you the truth) who would probably just be an English Ra's al Ghul. But how can people be sure he'll give us anything new or different? Maybe Pitt's Moriarty will just be an English, more serious version of Rusty Ryan from Oceans 11.

The fact that Pitt would be a more youthful Moriarty doesn't automatically guarantee that he'll be a more exciting Moriarty. Now do I think an older Moriarty would automatically be a more exciting Moriarty? No, I can't guarantee that. But I'm not going to assume that any balding, old guy would be boring and predictable in the role just because Moriarty has always been cast as a balding old guy. If Moriarty is written well, even the cliched old guy could seem like a new, interesting character.

I wonder if some people are under the impression that, since this movie has portrayed the rest of the Sherlock Holmes characters as pretty much the opposite of how they normally appear in other movies, then Moriarty should be changed in the same way. Meaning, if he's always been portrayed as a balding old guy in the older movies, then he should be the opposite of a balding old guy in this movie.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Pitt looked pretty old and weathered in Inglorious Basterds. Definitely older than mid thirties anyway.

 

[Octoberist]

He's aging but he still looks young enough that a guy like Daniel Craig looks older than him (and he's actually younger). They could age him further however, but I want Mori to be older than Holmes.

But I think the leading champ of looking young is Johnny Depp. That's for sure.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Depp looks about late 20s or something.

 

[Octoberist]

yeah. I really think it's being in Europe that makes him look youthful. I mean, he doesn't have that boxtox look either. it looks natural.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well an easy life does help your health! The guys got it made, no wonder he looks so good.

 

[Turtles]

I assume you know your Holmes, I asked back one page about what books i should get to embark onto the Sherlock history, I posted the chronogical order and was wondering if the Sherlock Holmes complete novels/stories part I and II are the best bet, instead of buying each novel/ short story collection seperatly?

You weren't directing your question to me, but I'll help out any way because nobody has answered you yet.

First off, I'm just going to say that, in my opinion, all but one story (which is The Adventure of the Empty House) can stand alone. So if you ever read the novels and stories out of order, you wouldn't be in too much trouble. Trust me, I should know since I did read the stories out of order. The collection I read has three books. I read the third book first, which contains only the novels, then part of the second book, which contains The Return, His Last Bow, and the Casebook, and finally the first book, with Contains The Adventures and Memoirs. I made out fine, I was only confused once because I read the Empty House before I read The Final Problem.

With that said, I recommend buying the whole collection (all 56 stories and 4 novels) as one book or connected series of books. The stories and novels are always put into the right order in those types of collections, it's probably cheaper, it's easier to find collected works than anything else nowadays, and you never need to worry about buying one of the novels only to realize you accidentally got one of those dumbed-down versions meant for younger kids.

 

[Heretic]

You guys are talking about the film makers somehow aging Brad Pitt??? How would that even be possible? There's no way a movie could make Pitt look older than he is. That would be a curious case indeed!

 

[bestever23]

8/10 I thought it was way better then Avatar
It would of been a 9/10 but the way it left for a sequel made me a little upset because I wanted them to close the movie with a better beat but I LOVED THIS FILM. was everything I wanted in a Sherlock Homes movie. The way it explained how everything worked and how sherlock homes thought was great and I can't wait for a Sequel! Robert Downey has two franchise's now!
p.s I've been on a guy richie bench for a while watching Lock Stock and Snatch and now I have to watch RockNRolla
this guy is a very talented Director

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Look, Whether its Brad Pitt or not, I don't think its anything worth worrying about... Great casting is one of the things I think Guy Ritchie has always been very good at. He seems to always cast a wide net, and there are always fresh, talented actors in his films (Although forgive me if theres a dodgy one or two that i can't think of lol). For instance, seeing Idris Elba and Gerard Butler side by side was pretty awesome lol.
Throw in Simon Pegg and that right there is my ideal casting for The Boys movie lol.

Incidentally, the way Ritchie brilliantly portrayed victorian england made me really wish we could one day see a proper authentic Hellblazer movie set in England, with Ritchie at the helm. He'd be brilliant at that.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Double Post

 

[antsman41]

You weren't directing your question to me, but I'll help out any way because nobody has answered you yet.

First off, I'm just going to say that, in my opinion, all but one story (which is The Adventure of the Empty House) can stand alone. So if you ever read the novels and stories out of order, you wouldn't be in too much trouble. Trust me, I should know since I did read the stories out of order. The collection I read has three books. I read the third book first, which contains only the novels, then part of the second book, which contains The Return, His Last Bow, and the Casebook, and finally the first book, with Contains The Adventures and Memoirs. I made out fine, I was only confused once because I read the Empty House before I read The Final Problem.

With that said, I recommend buying the whole collection (all 56 stories and 4 novels) as one book or connected series of books. The stories and novels are always put into the right order in those types of collections, it's probably cheaper, it's easier to find collected works than anything else nowadays, and you never need to worry about buying one of the novels only to realize you accidentally got one of those dumbed-down versions meant for younger kids.

Awesome, Thank you...

I can't wait to tackle these stories...

After seeing Casino Royale, I read the whole Flemming collection and it was amazing. Gave me more respect for Bond...