My principles? Dont you dare tell me my principles are not that strong. Thats a personal attack that i do not take lightly! Let me tell you people respect me for my principles.
Easy pal. I said "then" because you stated that "thanks to singer, all my years of admiration were for nothing."
I would have thought your principles wouldn't be destroyed by a movie.
I didn't dare to state that, but you suggested it yourself.
They know they are superman based. I am a man that tries to see the good in all people. Even if they do what i think is wrong. Im a strong willed induvidual and i do what is right for all, not just for myself! Even though people have tried to persuade me otherwise, i do not listen to them. I also treat women with respect. Especially if im or have been involved with them. If id loved someone like he supposedly loved Lois, id atleast tell them whats on my mind. Unlike singers superman.
I suppose you wouldn't manipulate your girl's mind with or without asking her the same you wouldn't leave without saying good-bye.
Well, this version of Superman, that started in 1978 does.
You also ignore that i said DO NOT agree with the amnesia kiss or turning back time. To me its pointless. Its the easy way out and something he could repeat over and over again when disaster strikes.
Thank God we can agree.
I just point out that SR Superman is consistent with Donner's and Lester's Superman.
As for his original planet, its in the past. Gone, Finito. Earth is his future!
Independence Day and heroes of the Nation are in the past. Should we ignore them?
If I move to another country should I deny and forget the land and soil I was born in?
Thats why he was sent here in the first place.
No, he was sent to prevent him to die in Krypton.
if Krypton wasn't doomed Jor-El would have never sent him to Earth no matter how much humankind would need a Superman.
All i asked from singer was that he showed that he had searched for greater evidence before leaving. Just going on the vague word of scientists who claimed to have found the planet intact is unrealistic. For christ sake he is a reporter working for a paper that prides itself on being right. By checking all sources before printing an article. Had he himself recieved a radio signal and checked all his sources, it might have been more acceptable. Instead he left on what is no more hearsay evidence. BULLS**T! To me we got a vague explanation. AND IM SORRY IF I NEED MORE THAN THAT!
Yes, I agree.
They should have put more detail on why he left.
Still, being him Superman I was sure he was convinced beforeleaving everything.
Im a thinking man not a bufoon.
Still, a thinking man shouldn't need spoonfeeding story.
And no he is not the same as donners superman. In donners and lesters 2 he learnt exactly why he should not give up his powers or abandon the world.
But a new problem was peresented.
He'll never leave Earth and powers for a girl. Lesson learnt.
But his original planet is another thing.
Even more so in donners2 as there a line missing fom Jor-Els speach. (note i have the original script and have put the line in capitols) He says 'Listen carefully Kal-El for we shall never speak again. YOU HAVE ABANDONED THE WORLD FOR THE SAKE OF A PRIVATE AMBITION. You did this of your own free will despite all i could say to disuade you.'
As great as that scene is, that never happened in the official movie. Plus it's a vague sequel.
See he learnt that lesson in S2 and then repeated it with singer. (Why oh why? Maybe because singer never saw that movie)
Again, the Krypton needing him situation was not the same situation as in SII. In fact it was far less selfish.
But at the end of the day it is fiction. We make it what we want it to be.
Exactly.
If he learnt every possible lesson, we haven't a story to tell other than Superman vs giant robot. pounch, ounch. The end.
I won't lie to you, that could have worked very well with audiences. Some uninteresting average well known story is all they (most of them) want. I'm just glad I got more than that that involved Superman's inner feelings and self-questioning.
You see one thing and i see another. I respect that. And i dont make personal attacks because of it. Instead let me tell you what i see, (dont attack it, cos you'll prove you ignorance) what superman is to me. He is the greatest of all heroes, who shows us what we could be if we choose to be. Its got nothing to do with the powers. Its got everthing to do with Responsibility. He uses them bcos he feels responsible for us.
Before you go on I want to stand out that powers in Superman, for the better or the worst, have much to do with the character. At least in this franchise.
SII proved us that Superman with no powers can do little to defend Lois, what to say about the entire world. EVEN if we can think it would be better to show that Superman with no powers is equally brave and useful, Donner/Lester vision showed other version of it.
And for me Singer missed that. Instead he gave us what he wanted. An ignorant abopted selfish outsider, who searches for a home bcos someone doesnt or cant love him. Im sorry but thats not what the world needs right now. We need a superman! Someone who can inspire us, who can be the light to show us the way. and not be a goddamn selfish fool.
If he was selfish in SR, he would have gone 'Survivors in Krypton? Meh, I stay with my girl, what do i care?' I don't think he was planning moving to Krypton to live there.
That said, the world needs a real hero. Comics are fine, I love them. But if the world would really need Superman we would be doomed, because there is no Superman. Jesus - outside of any religion, i don't follow any of them - could be a more truly inspiring symbol. He's not invulnerable and can die, but he dies for what he thinks is right, doesn't punch his enemies in the face instead.
