Watching X2 again, I could cry!

[xmenfilesfan05]

I hear this on the boards a lot "Yeah, Storm stands against the cure, and she clearly says it in the movie, but we don't know why she does, so that makes her viewpoint unimportant, she still has no voice" I'd just like to know why people feel that way. Writers have clearly tried to give Storm something to say, and now that she does have something to say, people are saying now that it's invalid because it isn't supported by some background story. It feels like there is a double standard there, people aren't happy with what Storm had to say, so therefor she still hasn't been an important voice. I'm just wondering what people think?

 

[flavio_lebeau]

@Goddessreicho: Yeah, they didnt fix. But i wouldnt complain about her not having her own story. You know, i am writing an X4 script, and, its just too hard to have Storm being something other than the leader. All you can really do to movie Storm is tell her past and where the hell her anger came from. Aside from that, i dont really see Storm with a love interest or fighting a supervillain or having any "story arc". She can have the leader part, show her motherly/angry side, show her claustrophobia. All you can do is "show" Storm and who she is. Aside from that, i dont see anything to do to movie Storm.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

I hear this on the boards a lot "Yeah, Storm stands against the cure, and she clearly says it in the movie, but we don't know why she does, so that makes her viewpoint unimportant, she still has no voice" I'd just like to know why people feel that way. Writers have clearly tried to give Storm something to say, and now that she does have something to say, people are saying now that it's invalid because it isn't supported by some background story. It feels like there is a double standard there, people aren't happy with what Storm had to say, so therefor she still hasn't been an important voice. I'm just wondering what people think?

The problem is that, the way they made her lines, it appeared as Storm was a b*tch who didnt care about anyone but herself. How can she tell Rogue not to take the cure? Who is she to say that? The way she was written in X3 doesnt make her have a point of view, it makes her look arrogant. She never shows compassion for Jean, she just wants to kill her. Thats not the Storm we want.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Let's look at Mel Gibson. We don't wonder why he thinks what thinks about Juddism because his father thinks that way. We can assume that he was raised to believe that.

Why is Storm so against the cure? Why does she have such stark and harded opinions against humans? What happened to her? Why despite her feelings was she the only one to give Kelly some comfort? That seemed a little out of character because we got very little character to begin with.

 

[xmenfilesfan05]

It's starting to make sense to me now, thanks. And I have to say, X1 Storm felt the most genuine to me and I think it was Halle's best performance in the series. You bringing up the Senator Kelly scene just reminded me of that.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

It's starting to make sense to me now, thanks. And I have to say, X1 Storm felt the most genuine to me and I think it was Halle's best performance in the series. You bringing up the Senator Kelly scene just reminded me of that.

Indeed. X1 Storm is the closest to real Storm. Serious, compenetrated, strong, sometimes even royal (against Toad, best special fx moment of the film, despite the infamous line).

 

[Goddessreicho]

Flavio, movie verse Storm can have a story. All you have to do is give her one. This is the problem I'm having with the story I'm writter with Ntcrawler. I'm trying to give her a personality, a backround story...a point to the plot, something that will expand her. But I keep getting shut down. She doesn't need to be center stage, just on the stage for a reason in the same play as everyone else.

As for romance, I don't want to see her settle for Jean's sloppy seconds for no good reason. I hate the rebound just because thing. She has never had any luck with a realationship inside of 616. Especially not with this BP thing. Best realationship she's had outside of her more than platonic thing with Logan was her AOA thing with Quicksilver.

I so wanted Peitro to be in the movies. That would have been so sweet.

To those X3 rewriters please please don't let Ororo hook up with Logan just because. She would never be a willing rebound girl. She'd fight that. Wolverine needs to earn her respect, just like in the comics before anything can happen.

 

[gambitfire]

I mean I certainly have my fair share of complaints...but is it justifiable for every person to have their own review or thoughts thread? I could go on and on praising X2 but that belongs in its proper forum...not here. X3 was ok...I can count the things I loved on one hand and can gripe about what I didn't like on four. But I am not going to contribute to gripe threads when there are a million out there. And the praise threads are dead, dying, or run over by bashers. I just think this thread poses no elaborate question and people are only stating what they have stated over and over again...that they hate X3 and that X2 was the best. It then segways into Ratner, writer, Fox, etc... bashing and then crying and then reflecting on what they could have had and then realization and continued bashing.

Ok well when the movie came out everyone was trying to start a thread. umm at this point, there has been like 3 created in total so yea....................

and 2 of those where not direct reviews or hate X3 threads, until they where provoked anyways.

Anyways moving on from that, this thread may not be much of an issue anymore the only other thread i know of that covers this is the if you didn't like the movie one so they can be merged for all i care.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Flavio, movie verse Storm can have a story. All you have to do is give her one. This is the problem I'm having with the story I'm writter with Ntcrawler. I'm trying to give her a personality, a backround story...a point to the plot, something that will expand her. But I keep getting shut down. She doesn't need to be center stage, just on the stage for a reason in the same play as everyone else.

As for romance, I don't want to see her settle for Jean's sloppy seconds for no good reason. I hate the rebound just because thing. She has never had any luck with a realationship inside of 616. Especially not with this BP thing. Best realationship she's had outside of her more than platonic thing with Logan was her AOA thing with Quicksilver.

I so wanted Peitro to be in the movies. That would have been so sweet.

To those X3 rewriters please please don't let Ororo hook up with Logan just because. She would never be a willing rebound girl. She'd fight that. Wolverine needs to earn her respect, just like in the comics before anything can happen.

im expanding her, giving background, personality, giving backstory too. But...when it comes to plot...i cant help but notice she's a device. She does have her moments of tenderness, explaining her life before the x-men, but its really hard to make the classic "she starts at one point and ends on another". As much as i develop her and give her things to do, she practically stays the same in my "movie". She has moments of anger, motherly moments, but...she seems to be so secure, so royal and almost perfect, that there arent many things for Storm to learn. Its hard...

 

[Goddessreicho]

In our rewrite so far the big thing is what leads into X4. She gets tired of the lack of respect in the danger room from the kids. They want to follow the cool new Wolverine. Cyke just barks orders at her on missions. She's been suffering through a depression for a while, but the two telepaths were either missing or to busy to talk. No one has noticed there's something wrong with her so she turns to other vices. Maybe gambling and drinking. I dunno yet. But very near the begging of the story she and the others are in the danger room and same treatment happens, she looses it and explodes rips off her uniform and leaves.

Everyone is shocked because no one knew that she felt that way, or was having problems. Then the plot kicks in.

So she gets her own story and the main plot is able to happen to the rest of the essemble. Everyone wins.

Some where down the line both Storm's sidequest and the plot will merge, but it will be a while. She will prolly intoduce a new character and mabe get a love intrest. Not neccassarily one in the same. Since I'm a Rolo fan we may see some of that too. Who knows...

 

[flavio_lebeau]

In our rewrite so far the big thing is what leads into X4. She gets tired of the lack of respect in the danger room from the kids. They want to follow the cool new Wolverine. Cyke just barks orders at her on missions. She's been suffering through a depression for a while, but the two telepaths were either missing or to busy to talk. No one has noticed there's something wrong with her so she turns to other vices. Maybe gambling and drinking. I dunno yet. But very near the begging of the story she and the others are in the danger room and same treatment happens, she looses it and explodes rips off her uniform and leaves.

Everyone is shocked because no one knew that she felt that way, or was having problems. Then the plot kicks in.

So she gets her own story and the main plot is able to happen to the rest of the essemble. Everyone wins.

Some where down the line both Storm's sidequest and the plot will merge, but it will be a while. She will prolly intoduce a new character and mabe get a love intrest. Not neccassarily one in the same. Since I'm a Rolo fan we may see some of that too. Who knows...

wow, now that is giving her a story. You know, seeing this really makes me want to read your script when you finish it.
In my script, something that radical couldnt happen. First because Logan is gone to his spin-off and Storm is the person who has to deal with the school practically alone. I really want to see how you guys make Storm, the way you told me, makes it very thrilling, and unique.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Thanks! Ntcrawler's the man. He really knows what he's doing, and he's given me alot of freedom with our X3's Dark Phoenix, and Storm in X4.

I'm having some trouble with Ororo's story, but this conversation I had with you guys just helped me out of my frustrating block. So thanks again.

 

[ntcrawler]

wow, now that is giving her a story. You know, seeing this really makes me want to read your script when you finish it.
In my script, something that radical couldnt happen. First because Logan is gone to his spin-off and Storm is the person who has to deal with the school practically alone. I really want to see how you guys make Storm, the way you told me, makes it very thrilling, and unique.

Basically, we're not waiting for X4 to come along to start developing Storm. It happens right off the bat in X3. You feel the burden and weight that ends up on her shoulders as the people around her get offed. You feel her frustration when she has to deal with Logan. You get to see the tension she has to face when the students under her refuse to pay attention to the lessons she and Xavier are trying to carefully teach them but prefer to go off on their own. It's especially ironic towards the end when their ideas actually turn out to work and it shakes up her confidence. There's alot of tension with Jean and we expose some girl-girl conflicts that they secretly held but were never dangerous until Jean's insanity takes hold and brings them to the forefront. Storm also ends up taking quite a beating at Alcatraz and has to go through her own process of recovery and healing which takes things into X4.

 

[La_She-Beast]

frustrating block.

Don't tell me frustration is stopping you from writing! I loved her part in the infirmary room- if you keep her as interesting as that, then great I'm not reading the above part cuz I don't want so many spoilers :P

 

[La_She-Beast]

Tell me...where was there too much Storm. I really want to know.

Actually, I could say the same with Beast- people say his persona was well developed whatever- I don't agree. Not because of my fandom (I always watch movies without fandom) and it's definitive he hardly had a personality. He's the secretary of MA. The messenger. An old X-Man. Gentile mutant. Sad not being human, for a moment. Where does that bring to? Nowhere. Does he remember something about Leech/the cure for the rest of the movie? No siree. Why is he always so up-straight? What does that mean? He was never bothered by the insults of others? Or... is he?

 

[Goddessreicho]

Exactly! Good eye LSB. Why are these people running around doing anything without any good reason? Why do they have such short memories? What makes them do the things they do?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well IMO, in the first two movies Storm was the definition of a hero, she fears and has anger towards normal humans, yet she helps save their lives in droves in the first two movies. She also learns from Nightcrawler that anger is not the answer to surviving. I liked her role in the first two movies.

In the third, a lot of her ideas, etc just seem forced and out of character to me, except for a few scene's. Her lack of sympathy and compassion for Jean, while understandable to the average movie goer, was also out of character IMO. They are clearly close friends in the first two movies and i felt it should have been Storm watching the Professor die and not Logan.

 

[gambitfire]

i think Storm was best in X2 even with her little bit of dialogue, she did alot.

Tornado, Speech wise, Saving Xavier, interaction with Kurt. I think ppl tend to overlook those things sometimes out of convenience in argument, hell she even did more than Scott.

as for her in X3 i have too totally agree with AveitWithJamo, and add this She wasn't the Strong presence that i have always felt Storm to be.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

true, the kurt and ororoe speech was really great

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

true, the kurt and ororoe speech was really great

Not only that but the part later on when she tells Kurt she has faith in him is a great little moment too.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Basically, we're not waiting for X4 to come along to start developing Storm. It happens right off the bat in X3. You feel the burden and weight that ends up on her shoulders as the people around her get offed. You feel her frustration when she has to deal with Logan. You get to see the tension she has to face when the students under her refuse to pay attention to the lessons she and Xavier are trying to carefully teach them but prefer to go off on their own. It's especially ironic towards the end when their ideas actually turn out to work and it shakes up her confidence. There's alot of tension with Jean and we expose some girl-girl conflicts that they secretly held but were never dangerous until Jean's insanity takes hold and brings them to the forefront. Storm also ends up taking quite a beating at Alcatraz and has to go through her own process of recovery and healing which takes things into X4.

i would just say to you guys take a little care to not show Storm as too weak. I mean, showing she gets tired of it is great, but...be careful to not portray her as a "second Cyclops", where everything goes wrong, nothing works for her...i always saw Storm as a strong character. Showing her Achilles' heel is nice, but be careful to not end up portraying her as a loser during the whole X3, just to make justice in X4.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

God, i just watched X2 too. From the moment Jean notices something's wrong, her struggle, her getting out of the jet. Seriously, it brought tears to my eyes. Phoenix, in all her glory...Scott palying an important part...Nightcrawler's prayer. That movie is brilliant, beautiful. You want to know what is real emotion, not a forced one, watch X2...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

God, i just watched X2 too. From the moment Jean notices something's wrong, her struggle, her getting out of the jet. Seriously, it brought tears to my eyes. Phoenix, in all her glory...Scott palying an important part...Nightcrawler's prayer. That movie is brilliant, beautiful. You want to know what is real emotion, not a forced one, watch X2...

Summed up perfectly, that truly is an amazing scene that tops off an amazing movie. Famke and James are especially good in this scene, and they are the ones that make it work, with excellent help from Patrick, Hugh and Alan. As soon as Jean notices what she has to do, and especially when she looks back at them all one last time crying just before she leaves the jet, is just a beautiful movie moment.

If only X3 could have lived up to that.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Summed up perfectly, that truly is an amazing scene that tops off an amazing movie. Famke and James are especially good in this scene, and they are the ones that make it work, with excellent help from Patrick, Hugh and Alan. As soon as Jean notices what she has to do, and especially when she looks back at them all one last time crying just before she leaves the jet, is just a beautiful movie moment.

If only X3 could have lived up to that.

yeah, when she looks back one last time to her friends...its heartbreaking.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

very heart breaking

waaa.... Question.... nvm...er unless u wanna answer this. In her scene with Logan in the tent...is she wearing a belt?