Watching X2 again, I could cry!

[flavio_lebeau]

If i'm not mistaken, yep.

edit: just watched it again, yes, she wears a silver X-belt.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

dang... cause I've tried doing a manip of her just wearing her black tanky top and her x-suit pants... lol. I posted it in the manip...Im wondering I should add the belt...but if anyone can capture a screencap of the belt she's wearing straight on, that'll be great.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

yeah, when she looks back one last time to her friends...its heartbreaking.

Scott's panic-stricken reaction was also right on target. Marsden acted the heck out of that scene. The only disappointment was the way Hugh overplayed Wolverine's breakdown.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

my x2 version isnt good enough to take good screencaps...

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Scott's panic-stricken reaction was also right on target. Marsden acted the heck out of that scene. The only disappointment was the way Hugh overplayed Wolverine's breakdown.

For an actor who couldnt use his eyes (the biggest tool of any actor), he played the scene perfectly.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

^^ I agree. Poor Marsden er Cyclops. -sighs-

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

If i'm not mistaken, yep.

edit: just watched it again, yes, she wears a silver X-belt.

tried taking screencaps...theres not much u can take since she moves into the tent really fast... and then she goes down on her knees... and does her...thing...um she's wearing blue pants...wtf....

 

[The Guard]

How does watching X3 ruin X2? So...you're going to take seven quotes or shots from each movie that you loved or that made you think or feel...and prove that that made it a better film than X3 (if X3 has no quotes and shots to represent it, I guess, which it does)? While I agree that X2 is a better-made film, some of you could at least use some actual evidence, not onesided bias to make your points.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

For an actor who couldnt use his eyes (the biggest tool of any actor), he played the scene perfectly.

Exactly. Can you imagine Famke trying to play her leaving the jet scene while wearing sunglasses?

 

[The Guard]

Pyro says Rogue is "pathetic" outside the clinic because he is, as he was in X2,jealous and resentful of Bobby and Rogue and what they have as X-Men and as friends.

Wait, I can play too...

-Seeing Xavier and Magneto as friends and allies.

-The Danger Room.

-Seeing Cyclops and Jean reunited, and then the tragedy of their romance.

-Xavier being revealed as much darker and manipulative than we believed.

-Jean's progression into Dark Phoenix, and the emotional scenes with Wolverine.

-Beast's realization of what the cure could mean for him.

-Magneto abandoning Mystique once she becomes human.

-Xavier's death.

-Seeing Angel reject the forced assimilation of the cure and break his bonds in style.

-Logan and Rogue having another heart to heart.

-"Charles Xavier did more for mutants than you'll ever know..."

-Logan not being able to tell Storm that he loves Jean.

-The X-Men working and fighting as a team, in a battle.

-Seeing Magneto "cured".

-Dark Phoenix torturing Logan

-Every ounce of social commentary the Cure plot creates, and every bit of power and control that is explored in the film.

 

[Rac]

I'm not sure do I even need to say that I agree with the (first) posters...

 

[LastSunrise1981]

How does watching X3 ruin X2? So...you're going to take seven quotes or shots from each movie that you loved or that made you think or feel...and prove that that made it a better film than X3 (if X3 has no quotes and shots to represent it, I guess, which it does)? While I agree that X2 is a better-made film, some of you could at least use some actual evidence, not onesided bias to make your points.

X3 ruins the brilliant continuity that X2 created. X3 doesn't carry the same emotional or intelligent weight that X2 has.

All in all it's a matter of opinion, but when you look at the facts and you look at how the film(X3) was done you see the glaring flaws and you see that Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg didn't want to make a serious film.

What's done is done obviously, but it doesn't mean we have to accept it and smile like it's okay either.

 

[Cyclops]

Oh Jesus...another gripe thread bashing X3 and praising X1 and X2...who woulda thunk!????

X2 was good yes...but do we need to keep hearing about it...no.

I'm sorry that someone held a pistol to your forehead and forced you to read and respond to this thread...

Oh, wait... nobody did that. Silly me.

 

[The Guard]

X3 ruins the brilliant continuity that X2 created. X3 doesn't carry the same emotional or intelligent weight that X2 has.

Which "brilliant continuity" does it ruin again? And how so?

The emotional weight thing is down to opinion. I found the cure to be a very weighty issue, as did many. And an intelligently explored one, as much as anything in X2. You're going to have to give examples of how X2 was so amazingly intelligent where X3 wasn't.

All in all it's a matter of opinion, but when you look at the facts and you look at how the film(X3) was done you see the glaring flaws and you see that Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg didn't want to make a serious film.

Which facts are these? Elaborate, please.

And uh, if they didn't want to make a serious film, why does the film look and sound so serious and deal with such serious issues?

 

[chaseter]

I'm sorry that someone held a pistol to your forehead and forced you to read and respond to this thread...

Oh, wait... nobody did that. Silly me.

And nobody forced the bashers to go into the praise threads...silly me. First off, we don't need another review thread telling from a poster who thinks he needs to tell everyone what he thought of the movie. Secondly, the praise for X2 needs to go into its proper thread. Sure he does pose some good questions but everyone has their own nitpicks/complaints from the movie and does not deserve their own thread. We had a master review thread but people let that die in order to have their own thread. If you support this, why don't you start a review thread as well as everyone in here. If some can do it...why can't we all?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Which "brilliant continuity" does it ruin again? And how so?

The emotional weight thing is down to opinion. I found the cure to be a very weighty issue, as did many. And an intelligently explored one, as much as anything in X2. You're going to have to give examples of how X2 was so amazingly intelligent where X3 wasn't.

Which facts are these? Elaborate, please.

And uh, if they didn't want to make a serious film, why does the film look and sound so serious and deal with such serious issues?

From my perspective X2 had an intelligent factor that showed the writers took the material seriously. In X1/X2 you cared about the characters, you felt their struggles, you could relate to them, and all in all it carried a very significant emotional weight left a lasting impression.

How can X3 be serious with bad dialogue, no character development, mindless action, and cliche characters? Nothing in the film was allowed to have any kind of an impact to be "weighty" or "serious".

Any serious moments either ended too quickly or were bogged down by horrible writing or just bad acting in general.

The only "emotional" moment in X3 in my opinion was the Beast/Leech scene. I felt it should've been expanded upon and should've shown Beasts struggles with the cure as well. A lot of aspects of this film wasn't done right and because of that the characters suffered, the story suffered, and the majority of hardcore X-Men fans felt screwed over.

Not everyone felt screwed over, but as I said, compare X1/X2 to X3 and in my opinion I'll say X1/X2 are better overall films due to the story, the characters, and the emotional impact that was felt in both films. But if you like X3 that's fine too. We all have different opinions.

 

[chaseter]

From my perspective X2 had an intelligent factor that showed the writers took the material seriously. In X1/X2 you cared about the characters, you felt their struggles, you could relate to them, and all in all it carried a very significant emotional weight left a lasting impression.

How can X3 be serious with bad dialogue, no character development, mindless action, and cliche characters? Nothing in the film was allowed to have any kind of an impact to be "weighty" or "serious".

Any serious moments either ended too quickly or were bogged down by horrible writing or just bad acting in general.

The only "emotional" moment in X3 in my opinion was the Beast/Leech scene. I felt it should've been expanded upon and should've shown Beasts struggles with the cure as well. A lot of aspects of this film wasn't done right and because of that the characters suffered, the story suffered, and the majority of hardcore X-Men fans felt screwed over.

Not everyone felt screwed over, but as I said, compare X1/X2 to X3 and in my opinion I'll say X1/X2 are better overall films due to the story, the characters, and the emotional impact that was felt in both films. But if you like X3 that's fine too. We all have different opinions.

I agree with the Beast/Leech scene. Beast needed more lines about his appearance besides the shedding on the furniture line. I think all 3 films have had pretty bad lines. The Xavier Phoenix mind battle was beautiful and one of the best of the trilogy easily. That scene was way emotional for me. X1 was not better than X3. Cyclops wearing high heels is hilarious.

 

[TKing]

The only "emotional" moment in X3 in my opinion was the Beast/Leech scene. I felt it should've been expanded upon and should've shown Beasts struggles with the cure as well. A lot of aspects of this film wasn't done right and because of that the characters suffered, the story suffered, and the majority of hardcore X-Men fans felt screwed over.

Didn't you think the Phoenix vs. Xavier was an emotional scene? Or Xavier's funeral? Or Logan's speech to the X-kids before they jet off to Alcatraz?

In my opinion all of these scenes and a few more were very emotional, and had great acting behind them. Obviously, it's a difference of people's opinions, but I think X3 deserves more credit than people give.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Didn't you think the Phoenix vs. Xavier was an emotional scene? Or Xavier's funeral? Or Logan's speech to the X-kids before they jet off to Alcatraz?

In my opinion all of these scenes and a few more were very emotional, and had great acting behind them. Obviously, it's a difference of people's opinions, but I think X3 deserves more credit than people give.

Eh, like I said, the emotional moments were over too quick and the wrong people were saying the emotional words. Like I said the concepts were great but they were just poorly executed.

In the end the majority of the emotional moments felt forced instead of sincere and realistic.

 

[TKing]

Eh, like I said, the emotional moments were over too quick and the wrong people were saying the emotional words. Like I said the concepts were great but they were just poorly executed.

In the end the majority of the emotional moments felt forced instead of sincere and realistic.

In a way, I agree. But I don't know how you can say the funeral was "forced", or how when Logan was telling the students that they couldn't fight with them, that he was the "wrong person saying the emotional words".

 

[LastSunrise1981]

In a way, I agree. But I don't know how you can say the funeral was "forced", or how when Logan was telling the students that they couldn't fight with them, that he was the "wrong person saying the emotional words".

Simple. Because Logan shouldn't be the one trying to motivate anyone as if he was/is a leader. That role, those words, and the leader position belonged to Cyclops.

Hell, I would've felt a lot better if either Cyclops or Storm said those words. The fact that it came from Logan sounded forced and wrong. Again this is strictly my opinion and not everyone feels the same way.

The funeral was too short, the grieving was too short, and it just didn't seem like real emotion to me at all. I think it would've been nice to see Storm have some flashback scenes of her first arriving at the school and her bonding with Xavier.

The reason being is it would've added some more emotion to the grief that people were feeling. Beast, Storm, Scott(who should've been the one giving the eulogy), Rogue, and Colossus should've had those emotional scenes of grief after Xavier died.

It just seemed like the only ones that was affected by it were Storm, Logan, and Kitty.

Storm, Kitty, Beast, Scott(If his role was bigger), Colossus, Rogue, and Bobby should've had the bigger emotional scenes involving the death of Xavier.

 

[TKing]

Fair enough.

 

[chaseter]

Simple. Because Logan shouldn't be the one trying to motivate anyone as if he was/is a leader. That role, those words, and the leader position belonged to Cyclops.

Hell, I would've felt a lot better if either Cyclops or Storm said those words. The fact that it came from Logan sounded forced and wrong. Again this is strictly my opinion and not everyone feels the same way.

The funeral was too short, the grieving was too short, and it just didn't seem like real emotion to me at all.

Logan shoudn't have said that no. But he was motivated to go because of Jean...he wanted to save her and defeat Magneto. Cyclops was dead so too bad for that happening.

The funeral was short but their was a war brewing and an unstoppable force on the loose. They don't have time to boohoo for 2 weeks.

 

[MaleRogue]

I really really liked X3.

But if I think about the things what could have been.... well it makes me a bit sad.
Mainly because of my fave character Rogue. If I think what Singer had in store for Rogue wow just great things I am sure. He wanted her to be the Rogue in the comics. And all I got was someone who had one action scene, and for the rest debates wheter she took the cure or not. Damn the movie would have been better already if that alternate ending was the real deal.

Then Magneto, Storm and Logan they had to much screentime, the story would have been so much better if Jean was the leading one, fighting the Phoenix.

Then Ratner, he did a pretty good job, but could have done better, and he shouldn't make excusses, he just wanted Halle and Hugh to much in the front.... and that was to bad.
Cyclops shouldn't be killed.
X3 was the most comic related and the least comic reletaed.
The most because of the Phoenix Line and all.
The least because of all the character endings.
Like Rogue cured. Cyclops and Xavier "dead".
It just wasn't right and good enough

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Logan shoudn't have said that no. But he was motivated to go because of Jean...he wanted to save her and defeat Magneto. Cyclops was dead so too bad for that happening.

The funeral was short but their was a war brewing and an unstoppable force on the loose. They don't have time to boohoo for 2 weeks.

Maybe not, but it would've been nice. Again as I said you can accept it and be happy with it, but I'm not at all. I hate what they did and I hate how rushed the dialogue and the "emotional" scenes were.

Your excuse for saying "there was a war brewing and they didn't have time to boohoo for two weeks". Yet, the Lord of the Rings trilogy had a much larger and much more threatening war brewing on the horizon, and that didn't stop the hobbits or anyone from grieving.

And when you say war in X3 I hope you mean just a "skirmish", as it wasn't really a war to begin with actually. I think for it to be a war the major players have to be involved and Magneto, Jean, Pyro, Juggernaut(knocked out by a wall no less ), and Mystique(cured, unfortunately) were not involved until the bitter end anyways.

A war would've had Juggernaut/Colossus fighting, Pyro/Iceman fighting longer, Beast/Magneto, Jean/Storm, or even Scott/Juggernaut. Like I said the concept was great, the execution was just absolutely poor and deserves no excuse whatsoever.