Watching X2 again, I could cry!

[TKing]

If FOX had decided to make an Oscar-worthy film, rather than a quick money-grabbing scheme, perhaps we would have got something worthy of brandishing the name "X-Men".

 

[LastSunrise1981]

If FOX had decided to make an Oscar-worthy film, rather than a quick money-grabbing scheme, perhaps we would have got something worthy of brandishing the name "X-Men".

The potential that the X-Men trilogy had could've surpassed Lord of the Rings in general.

 

[chaseter]

Maybe not, but it would've been nice. Again as I said you can accept it and be happy with it, but I'm not at all. I hate what they did and I hate how rushed the dialogue and the "emotional" scenes were.

Your excuse for saying "there was a war brewing and they didn't have time to boohoo for two weeks". Yet, the Lord of the Rings trilogy had a much larger and much more threatening war brewing on the horizon, and that didn't stop the hobbits or anyone from grieving.

And when you say war in X3 I hope you mean just a "skirmish", as it wasn't really a war to begin with actually. I think for it to be a war the major players have to be involved and Magneto, Jean, Pyro, Juggernaut(knocked out by a wall no less ), and Mystique(cured, unfortunately) were not involved until the bitter end anyways.

A war would've had Juggernaut/Colossus fighting, Pyro/Iceman fighting longer, Beast/Magneto, Jean/Storm, or even Scott/Juggernaut. Like I said the concept was great, the execution was just absolutely poor and deserves no excuse whatsoever.

First off this is LOTR. But I do think Mystique, Jean, and Juggs should have fought in the final battle. They had their day for mourning on the day of the funeral and Logan and Storm cried at Jean's house.

 

[chaseter]

The potential that the X-Men trilogy had could've surpassed Lord of the Rings in general.

I highly doubt that...X1 especially was not on par with anything LOTR. But the X trilogy had a great cast.

 

[TKing]

I highly doubt that...X1 especially was not on par with anything LOTR. But the X trilogy had a great cast.

One thing that annoys me is that, with how much Magneto and Stryker have talked about the war between mankind and mutant kind, we haven't actually seen much of a war, really have we?

For example, in X2, Dark Cerebro was meant to be a threat to every mutant in the world. Well, did we actually see any mutants, other than the X-Men? It just seems that, in the movie verse, the X-Men account for the entire mutant community.

If they had established a war brewing right from the start of X-Men, and made the film based on a world-wide scope, with casualities occuring on either side and news of mutant-hate attacks each day, then I believe the X-trilogy could have been as good as the LOTR trilogy.

It would just add a little more tension & supense, and create the feeling that: this really is a war, and these X-Men, these people we have come to know and care about, could quite possible die, as well as a good population of the world.

 

[chaseter]

One thing that annoys me is that, with how much Magneto and Stryker have talked about the war between mankind and mutant kind, we haven't actually seen much of a war, really have we?

For example, in X2, Dark Cerebro was meant to be a threat to every mutant in the world. Well, did we actually see any mutants, other than the X-Men? It just seems that, in the movie verse, the X-Men account for the entire mutant community.

If they had established a war brewing right from the start of X-Men, and made the film based on a world-wide scope, with casualities occuring on either side and news of mutant-hate attacks each day, then I believe the X-trilogy could have been as good as the LOTR trilogy.

It would just add a little more tension & supense, and create the feeling that: this really is a war, and these X-Men, these people we have come to know and care about, could quite possible die, as well as a good population of the world.

So are you saying Singer messed up the scope of the movie in X1 and X2? Are you saying he should have made the conflict on a broader scale...hare dare you defy him...I agree though.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

One thing that annoys me is that, with how much Magneto and Stryker have talked about the war between mankind and mutant kind, we haven't actually seen much of a war, really have we?

For example, in X2, Dark Cerebro was meant to be a threat to every mutant in the world. Well, did we actually see any mutants, other than the X-Men? It just seems that, in the movie verse, the X-Men account for the entire mutant community.

If they had established a war brewing right from the start of X-Men, and made the film based on a world-wide scope, with casualities occuring on either side and news of mutant-hate attacks each day, then I believe the X-trilogy could have been as good as the LOTR trilogy.

It would just add a little more tension & supense, and create the feeling that: this really is a war, and these X-Men, these people we have come to know and care about, could quite possible die, as well as a good population of the world.

Kind of hard to do all of what you suggested when Fox screwed Singer over in terms of budget and filming production.

I believe Singer would've included everything if Fox gave him the budget he needed from the very beginning.

 

[TKing]

LOL. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. t: As good as X1 and X2 were, if we could just see the effects of all this fighting etc worldwide, it would have been a lot better, IMO.

 

[TKing]

Kind of hard to do all of what you suggested when Fox screwed Singer over in terms of budget and filming production.

I believe Singer would've included everything if Fox gave him the budget he needed from the very beginning.

You're probably right. I guess it all swings back round to FOX, doesn't it? t:

 

[flavio_lebeau]

another thing i noticed when watching X2 again...in the last talk between Professor, Cyclops and Logan, if you take X3 into account, it makes the Professor sound like a true ass. All the "Jean always felt like she was left behind". God, HE was the one responsible for her feeling so. It was because of him that she was hesitant...i prefer not taking X3 into account when watching X2. It makes everything more hopeful, more...accurate. Even his last smile is better when you dont remember what happens in X3...and i don't care about evidences or anything, this is my opinion and no one will change. X2 is way better, more emotional. I actually care to what happens in there. Anytime i watch it, i have my hair up when Jean dies.

Yes, imo, X3 has the best scene of the trilogy, but while Jean's death in X2 gets better everytime i watch it, the Xavier vs Phoenix battle seems to be less amazing each time i watch it. I'm almost upgrading Jean's death in X2 to best, Nightcrawler to second and Xavier vs Phoenix to third.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

.... so you have long hair?

 

[BMM]

One thing that annoys me is that, with how much Magneto and Stryker have talked about the war between mankind and mutant kind, we haven't actually seen much of a war, really have we?

That's because for the majority of X-Men and X2, as is depicted through the struggles of the X-men, the war is brewing. It isn't actually upon them yet.

I think it was a cool idea to have various other mutants of the X-Men universe losing control of their powers during the Cerebro attack in X2. I wish they would have been allowed to film it . . . at least as a deleted scene. Oh well.

 

[Cyclops]

And nobody forced the bashers to go into the praise threads...silly me. First off, we don't need another review thread telling from a poster who thinks he needs to tell everyone what he thought of the movie. Secondly, the praise for X2 needs to go into its proper thread. Sure he does pose some good questions but everyone has their own nitpicks/complaints from the movie and does not deserve their own thread. We had a master review thread but people let that die in order to have their own thread. If you support this, why don't you start a review thread as well as everyone in here. If some can do it...why can't we all?

The difference is that the bashers don't try to deny the praisers their ability to praise this film. However, there are those like you that come into these kind of threads complaining that they exist, asking moderators to delete them, etc. etc.

So please explain to me how what we do and what you do is the same.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

.... so you have long hair?

No

 

[X-Maniac]

another thing i noticed when watching X2 again...in the last talk between Professor, Cyclops and Logan, if you take X3 into account, it makes the Professor sound like a true ass. All the "Jean always felt like she was left behind". God, HE was the one responsible for her feeling so. It was because of him that she was hesitant...i prefer not taking X3 into account when watching X2. It makes everything more hopeful, more...accurate. Even his last smile is better when you dont remember what happens in X3...and i don't care about evidences or anything, this is my opinion and no one will change. X2 is way better, more emotional. I actually care to what happens in there. Anytime i watch it, i have my hair up when Jean dies.

I agree, that dialogue in X2 does seem odd.

They are asking why she left the plane. Xavier says something along the lines of 'As a student, Jean was always hesitant about using her powers, feeling she was left behind in some way.' Then he looks out the window and says 'I think everything's going to be all right'.

The dialogue didn't make much sense to me at the time X2 was released. We knew then (from X1) that Xavier had been teaching her to develop her powers, but she doesn't seem hesitant or 'left behind' previously in the movies. In X1, she confidently shows Logan her TK power by slamming the door, she uses Cerebro, she joins Xavier at the train station in mind-controlling Sabretooth and Toad, there is a scene (deleted?) in which she says her power is expanding all the time. We also knew the Phoenix saga that was being foreshadowed was not about everything being all right, it's about Jean struggling with a power she can't control and eventually being corrupted by it.

I think that dialogue makes little sense within X2 and even less sense after seeing X3. It seems like it was added to X2 to create a sort of happy, hopeful, satisfying ending.

 

[BMM]

They are asking why she left the plane. Xavier says something along the lines of 'As a student, Jean was always hesitant about using her powers, feeling she was left behind in some way.' Then he looks out the window and says 'I think everything's going to be all right'.

The dialogue didn't make much sense to me at the time X2 was released. We knew then (from X1) that Xavier had been teaching her to develop her powers, but she doesn't seem hesitant or 'left behind' previously in the movies.

Except that she is left behind, particularly concerning the use of her powers and her potential benefit to the team. She isn't with Cyclops and Storm on the mission to save Rogue and Wolverine in Canada. Cyclops and Storm are called upon to retrieve Rogue from the train station, leaving Jean behind yet again. Jean even gives Xavier a look of dismay at this moment. She is held back when she is not allowed to use Cerebro because, as Cyclops notes, for her it is believed to be dangerous. Xavier also denies Jean's request to use Cerebro in the deleted scene you mentioned, again believing it to be too much for her to handle. Jean is entirely held back in X-Men.

. . . and she seems pretty hesitant and timid to me when fighting Toad.

 

[Cyclops]

Now Magneto was jabbing more at Cyclops there because he told Storm to "fry him".

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Ultimately we got one mediocre X-Men film and two great ones, so we did very well ultimately.

 

[The Guard]

From my perspective X2 had an intelligent factor that showed the writers took the material seriously.

Yes, but in what regard? And how does X3 not have similar moments and approaches? I challenge you...tell me how the writers took X2 seriously in a way that X3 simply doesn't. There is, I'll admit, MORE story to X2, and more ANGLES, but that's partially because it's simply a longer movie. X3 is hardly devoid of intelligence.

In X1/X2 you cared about the characters, you felt their struggles, you could relate to them, and all in all it carried a very significant emotional weight left a lasting impression.

If you suddenly don't care about the characters in X3 after caring about them in X-MEN and X2, it's pretty much an issue you need to address. Did you suddenly forget who the characters are in X3, and were therefore unable to feel for them?

How can X3 be serious with bad dialogue, no character development, mindless action, and cliche characters?

Oh, come off it. The action in X3 is no more "mindless" than it was in previous X-films. In fact, it's even a bit more realistic, as all the action isn't extended "fight scenes" like it often was in X-MEN and X2. What the hell are you even trying that angle for? No character development? BULL**** TO THE TENTH DEGREE, unless you consider Phoenix not a development, and Xavier's new side "static' from what we saw in X-MEN and X2. Cliche characters? Such as? Oh...yeah, the guy who can't be stopped...that's a cliche. So is the girl who can phase through things. And I've seen characters who metal up in every movie I've ever seen.

Nothing in the film was allowed to have any kind of an impact to be "weighty" or "serious".

That's your opinion, and it seems to be an incredibly uninformed one. The Cure plot itself is a social commentary on being different and the pressure to assimilate to be accepted. If you don't find that weighty, I fear there's no help for you.

Any serious moments either ended too quickly or were bogged down by horrible writing or just bad acting in general.

What the hell does "ended too quickly" mean? Some of the most serious moments in Singer's X-films were just a few second SHOTS. Yes, look at all that "bad writing" during the Phoenix/Xavier sequence, or anything with Beast, or Wolverine and Storm. Could you be any more desperate the decry the film with less proof? And "badly acted"...other than Halle's eulogy, I think you're just crazy now.

The only "emotional" moment in X3 in my opinion was the Beast/Leech scene.

Riiight.

I felt it should've been expanded upon and should've shown Beasts struggles with the cure as well.

Oh? Like X2 should have shown more than THREE GLIMPSES of Phoenix Rising? WOW! Previous films didn't exactly delve deep into some things it wanted you to think about either! He shoots, he scores!

Simple. Because Logan shouldn't be the one trying to motivate anyone as if he was/is a leader. That role, those words, and the leader position belonged to Cyclops.

When Logan's movie arc involves becoming a leader, he damn sure should be saying those words. Cyclops was dead. It would have been nice if he hadn't been, but a lot of things would be nice.

The funeral was too short, the grieving was too short, and it just didn't seem like real emotion to me at all.

The funeral/grieving sequences were about as long as when Jean died in X2. Did you think that was too short, too? If people crying silently doesn't seem like real emotuon to you, what the hell does?

I think it would've been nice to see Storm have some flashback scenes of her first arriving at the school and her bonding with Xavier.

COOL! RANDOM FLASHBACKS! This person knows their filmmaking!

The reason being is it would've added some more emotion to the grief that people were feeling. Beast, Storm, Scott(who should've been the one giving the eulogy), Rogue, and Colossus should've had those emotional scenes of grief after Xavier died.

Hey, let's just have endless scenes of people talking about how they felt about Xavier.

It just seemed like the only ones that was affected by it were Storm, Logan, and Kitty.

And the SCHOOL FULL OF CRYING STUDENTS. And the entire, you know, BACKYARD FULL OF MOURNERS at the funeral...which, btw, Colossus, Rogue, Kitty, Bobby and Moira attended and looked like they were grieving Charles at.

Storm, Kitty, Beast, Scott(If his role was bigger), Colossus, Rogue, and Bobby should've had the bigger emotional scenes involving the death of Xavier.

ENDLESS CRYING SCENES! BRILLIANT! TO HELL WITH PACING! TO HELL WITH THE ACTUAL STORY!

Your excuse for saying "there was a war brewing and they didn't have time to boohoo for two weeks". Yet, the Lord of the Rings trilogy had a much larger and much more threatening war brewing on the horizon, and that didn't stop the hobbits or anyone from grieving.

And hells bells, there wasn't a "grieving scene" for every single character. Just scenes where they all looked sad. You know, like in X3 where they had a damned funeral.

And when you say war in X3 I hope you mean just a "skirmish", as it wasn't really a war to begin with actually. I think for it to be a war the major players have to be involved and Magneto, Jean, Pyro, Juggernaut(knocked out by a wall no less, and Mystique(cured, unfortunately) were not involved until the bitter end anyways.

The war is not physical. The war has been brewing and going on since X-MEN. The war Magneto and Xavier (and Logan in X-MEN) refer to is the war of bigotry and fear that is occurring between humans and mutants. Why else do you think Magneto said "The war has begun" in X2 when they were simply being gassed. Two mutants being gassed isn't a war. But what was happening WAS.

A war would've had Juggernaut/Colossus fighting, Pyro/Iceman fighting longer, Beast/Magneto, Jean/Storm, or even Scott/Juggernaut. Like I said the concept was great, the execution was just absolutely poor and deserves no excuse whatsoever.

That's a battle, and it's also your "I wish it was this way battle", not a "war". A war consists of several battles. You know, like the X-Men had in X-MEN, X2, and X3?
If FOX had decided to make an Oscar-worthy film, rather than a quick money-grabbing scheme, perhaps we would have got something worthy of brandishing the name "X-Men".

First off this is LOTR. But I do think Mystique, Jean, and Juggs should have fought in the final battle. They had their day for mourning on the day of the funeral and Logan and Storm cried at Jean's house.

Juggernaut had a very KEY role in Magneto's battle strategy (think CHESS), and in case you missed it, he DID do something that could be construed as fighting.

One thing that annoys me is that, with how much Magneto and Stryker have talked about the war between mankind and mutant kind, we haven't actually seen much of a war, really have we?

Obviously you think the war between mankind and mutants is merely physical, when in fact it is political and social.

For example, in X2, Dark Cerebro was meant to be a threat to every mutant in the world. Well, did we actually see any mutants, other than the X-Men?

Yes. Remember that scene where we see ALL THE MUTANTS IN THE WORLD BEING TARGETED?

It just seems that, in the movie verse, the X-Men account for the entire mutant community

.
Except for all those MUTANT PROTESTORS in X3, and the mutants we saw Dark Cerebro target in X2. And the fact that Stryker had a ton of mutant names on his computer.

It would just add a little more tension & supense, and create the feeling that: this really is a war, and these X-Men, these people we have come to know and care about, could quite possible die, as well as a good population of the world.

Because apparently seeing them get their asses kicked (and realizing they could quite possibly die) wasn't enough to establish that?

I agree, that dialogue in X2 does seem odd.

They are asking why she left the plane. Xavier says something along the lines of 'As a student, Jean was always hesitant about using her powers, feeling she was left behind in some way.' Then he looks out the window and says 'I think everything's going to be all right'.

The dialogue didn't make much sense to me at the time X2 was released. We knew then (from X1) that Xavier had been teaching her to develop her powers, but she doesn't seem hesitant or 'left behind' previously in the movies. In X1, she confidently shows Logan her TK power by slamming the door, she uses Cerebro, she joins Xavier at the train station in mind-controlling Sabretooth and Toad, there is a scene (deleted?) in which she says her power is expanding all the time. We also knew the Phoenix saga that was being foreshadowed was not about everything being all right, it's about Jean struggling with a power she can't control and eventually being corrupted by it.

There's an entire sequence in X-MEN that shows Jean is hesitant about her powers. "It takes a degree of control, and for someone like me it's..." And there are moments it's clear she's not uber confident, like when she engages Toad.

I think that dialogue makes little sense within X2 and even less sense after seeing X3. It seems like it was added to X2 to create a sort of happy, hopeful, satisfying ending.

It makes perfect sense. Jean's arc is her going from afraid to use her power to being power mad. The logical progression happens from X-MEN to X3. In X-MEN she's a bit hesitant, in X2 she's mastering her powers, and in X3 she flat out CRAVES the use of power.

Except that she is left behind, particularly concerning the use of her powers and her potential benefit to the team. She isn't with Cyclops and Storm on the mission to save Rogue and Wolverine in Canada. Cyclops and Storm are called upon to retrieve Rogue from the train station, leaving Jean behind yet again. Jean even gives Xavier a look of dismay at this moment. She is held back when she is not allowed to use Cerebro because, as Cyclops notes, for her it is believed to be dangerous. Xavier also denies Jean's request to use Cerebro in the deleted scene you mentioned, again believing it to be too much for her to handle. Jean is entirely held back in X-Men. Even Magneto gets a jab at her, quipping, "I thought you lived at the school."

And then she becomes Phoenix, who doesn't want to be held back. What does that tell you about how Jean has been written And Magneto makes a jab at Cyclops. He just looks at Jean.

 

[gambitfire]

I agree, that dialogue in X2 does seem odd.

They are asking why she left the plane. Xavier says something along the lines of 'As a student, Jean was always hesitant about using her powers, feeling she was left behind in some way.' Then he looks out the window and says 'I think everything's going to be all right'.

The dialogue didn't make much sense to me at the time X2 was released. We knew then (from X1) that Xavier had been teaching her to develop her powers, but she doesn't seem hesitant or 'left behind' previously in the movies. In X1, she confidently shows Logan her TK power by slamming the door, she uses Cerebro, she joins Xavier at the train station in mind-controlling Sabretooth and Toad, there is a scene (deleted?) in which she says her power is expanding all the time. We also knew the Phoenix saga that was being foreshadowed was not about everything being all right, it's about Jean struggling with a power she can't control and eventually being corrupted by it.

I think that dialogue makes little sense within X2 and even less sense after seeing X3. It seems like it was added to X2 to create a sort of happy, hopeful, satisfying ending.

Why would the Dialogue from X2 be odd?

If anything just by having a good phoenix in X3 then it would of cleared the air on what Xavier said, something Singer was intent on doing.

If anything it is because of X3 that certain things in X2 don't make sense.

 

[gambitfire]

Wow.....careful guard your ego might pop.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Yes, but in what regard? And how does X3 not have similar moments and approaches? I challenge you...tell me how the writers took X2 seriously in a way that X3 simply doesn't. There is, I'll admit, MORE story to X2, and more ANGLES, but that's partially because it's simply a longer movie. X3 is hardly devoid of intelligence.

If you suddenly don't care about the characters in X3 after caring about them in X-MEN and X2, it's pretty much an issue you need to address. Did you suddenly forget who the characters are in X3, and were therefore unable to feel for them?

Oh, come off it. The action in X3 is no more "mindless" than it was in previous X-films. In fact, it's even a bit more realistic, as all the action isn't extended "fight scenes" like it often was in X-MEN and X2. What the hell are you even trying that angle for? No character development? BULL**** TO THE TENTH DEGREE, unless you consider Phoenix not a development, and Xavier's new side "static' from what we saw in X-MEN and X2. Cliche characters? Such as? Oh...yeah, the guy who can't be stopped...that's a cliche. So is the girl who can phase through things. And I've seen characters who metal up in every movie I've ever seen.
That's your opinion, and it seems to be an incredibly uninformed one. The Cure plot itself is a social commentary on being different and the pressure to assimilate to be accepted. If you don't find that weighty, I fear there's no help for you.



What the hell does "ended too quickly" mean? Some of the most serious moments in Singer's X-films were just a few second SHOTS. Yes, look at all that "bad writing" during the Phoenix/Xavier sequence, or anything with Beast, or Wolverine and Storm. Could you be any more desperate the decry the film with less proof? And "badly acted"...other than Halle's eulogy, I think you're just crazy now.


Riiight.

Oh? Like X2 should have shown more than THREE GLIMPSES of Phoenix Rising? WOW! Previous films didn't exactly delve deep into some things it wanted you to think about either! He shoots, he scores!

When Logan's movie arc involves becoming a leader, he damn sure should be saying those words. Cyclops was dead. It would have been nice if he hadn't been, but a lot of things would be nice.


The funeral/grieving sequences were about as long as when Jean died in X2. Did you think that was too short, too? If people crying silently doesn't seem like real emotuon to you, what the hell does?

COOL! RANDOM FLASHBACKS! This person knows their filmmaking!


Hey, let's just have endless scenes of people talking about how they felt about Xavier.


And the SCHOOL FULL OF CRYING STUDENTS. And the entire, you know, BACKYARD FULL OF MOURNERS at the funeral...which, btw, Colossus, Rogue, Kitty, Bobby and Moira attended and looked like they were grieving Charles at.


ENDLESS CRYING SCENES! BRILLIANT! TO HELL WITH PACING! TO HELL WITH THE ACTUAL STORY!


And hells bells, there wasn't a "grieving scene" for every single character. Just scenes where they all looked sad. You know, like in X3 where they had a damned funeral.


The war is not physical. The war has been brewing and going on since X-MEN. The war Magneto and Xavier (and Logan in X-MEN) refer to is the war of bigotry and fear that is occurring between humans and mutants. Why else do you think Magneto said "The war has begun" in X2 when they were simply being gassed. Two mutants being gassed isn't a war. But what was happening WAS.


That's a battle, and it's also your "I wish it was this way battle", not a "war". A war consists of several battles. You know, like the X-Men had in X-MEN, X2, and X3?
If FOX had decided to make an Oscar-worthy film, rather than a quick money-grabbing scheme, perhaps we would have got something worthy of brandishing the name "X-Men".

Juggernaut had a very KEY role in Magneto's battle strategy (think CHESS), and in case you missed it, he DID do something that could be construed as fighting.

Obviously you think the war between mankind and mutants is merely physical, when in fact it is political and social.


Yes. Remember that scene where we see ALL THE MUTANTS IN THE WORLD BEING TARGETED?
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Except for all those MUTANT PROTESTORS in X3, and the mutants we saw Dark Cerebro target in X2. And the fact that Stryker had a ton of mutant names on his computer.


Because apparently seeing them get their asses kicked (and realizing they could quite possibly die) wasn't enough to establish that?


They are asking why she left the plane. Xavier says something along the lines of 'As a student, Jean was always hesitant about using her powers, feeling she was left behind in some way.' Then he looks out the window and says 'I think everything's going to be all right'.


There's an entire sequence in X-MEN that shows Jean is hesitant about her powers. "It takes a degree of control, and for someone like me it's..." And there are moments it's clear she's not uber confident, like when she engages Toad.


It makes perfect sense. Jean's arc is her going from afraid to use her power to being power mad. The logical progression happens from X-MEN to X3. In X-MEN she's a bit hesitant, in X2 she's mastering her powers, and in X3 she flat out CRAVES the use of power.

And then she becomes Phoenix, who doesn't want to be held back. What does that tell you about how Jean has been written And Magneto makes a jab at Cyclops. He just looks at Jean.

1) Once again, your attempt to spin my words to fit your argument is glaring. I never said I forgot the characters at all, what I'm saying is even if it's a third film, character development is extremely important and judging from the previous film before X3 you had characters that were being built up and were going to have some interesting arcs.

2) X3 had character development? Not to be rude or anything, but you're the same guy who said Batman and Robin had better dialogue than Batman Begins. Again it's your opinion, but why should I listen to you about what makes a film better? X3 HAS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, NO STORY, AND NO EMOTION. Are you that upset that someone has a different opinion from yours? X1/X2 had real raw emotion that left a lasting impact.

3) You misunderstood my point of the flashbacks. Perhaps during or after the funeral it would've been nice to see some flashbacks of Storm as a child going to the school, Bobby first arriving to the school, or even Xavier with young Scott. The purpose of this would be to add some more emotional weight that shows Xavier more as a father figure. Something that the first two films established really well.

4) Hank, Storm, Scott, Rogue, and etc, etc.... were and are very important people to Xavier. Obviously every mutant in the school is important to him but they have/had an emotional connection to him and looked at him as their father to an extent. Scott talking to a comatose Xavier in X1 is living proof of how he felt about him.

5) Right. Xavier gets a big funeral and a big scene of those "mourning him" but yet, Scott isn't given any kind of recognition and is simply forgotten about later on. Yes, I feel the funeral scene and the dialogue within the scene was forced and the acting with Halle was horrible. It didn't seem real, didn't seem honest, and wasn't emotional whatsoever. Get mad, type in caps, and roll your eyes all you want, in the end it's simply my opinion and you writing a long rant isn't going to change my opinion either.

Ratner isn't a director who understands storytelling. Singer, on the other hand, understood that while you can have big action sets and mindless explosions, the heart of the story is what is the most important in the very end.

During an emotional moment in X3 the camera simply cuts off and goes to another scene.

In X1/X2 the emotional moments are deep, weighty, and sincere. Imagine if Singer quickly cut off from Jean "dying" at Alkali Lake and cutting away quickly from Nightcrawlers prayer? It would've ruined the emotional impact that it clearly established.

Your feelings of what is emotional may be different than from what I expect.

But again, you said Batman and Robin had better dialogue than Batman Begins. So the fact that I'm even debating with you is a mystery.

 

[chaseter]

The difference is that the bashers don't try to deny the praisers their ability to praise this film. However, there are those like you that come into these kind of threads complaining that they exist, asking moderators to delete them, etc. etc.

So please explain to me how what we do and what you do is the same.

I can complain...I thought the movie lacked a lot. I am not arguing that...I am arguing over the fact that everyone thinks they can have their own review thread or even praise a movie in the wrong forum. The only reason this sucker is staying alive is that people have moved on to other topics and discussing those interesting facts. Is it ok for me to make a thread "Watching X1, I could cry again"? It won't be exactly like this thread... I am rather borderlined on the quality of this film. I am neither a praiser, nor a basher. I just don't think it is right for both sides to continually make new threads on what they thought of the film...bashers and praisers have both done it...but it seems there are more bashers on here and so more of those threads are created...this being one of them.

Lets have a look at the thread titles on the first page as of 10 o clock:

Negative:
Watching X2, I could cry again
Bryan Singer's X-Men 3
Did Anyone Notice Colossus
Beast Should Have Had some Dialogue with Magneto
Colossus...X3 is just so lazy
Idea ending for X-Men 3

Positive:
X3 won the Scream Award...
Which Character came off Best in X3

The other threads are either character threads, ambiguous threads like the Ratner Punk, art thread, promo pics, etc...

No you cannot sit there and tell me praisers and bashers have the same opportunities to express their feelings without confrontation in an opposing thread or with another poster.

 

[Cyclops]

And as long as they don't break any rules, I don't see why they're a problem. The only problem I see is that those who don't agree with the opinion expressed don't want to see them. And that's just a "tough, too bad" problem.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I thought BB was well acted and the story felt more towards what was told in terms of the orgins just like in the comics. I think Bale was well casted and looks the part...Young... smart but my only gripes was Katie Holmes...I dunno. she was too weird...in terms of her eyes. lol. er wait it was her smile I think...at times she looked ******ed.