Watching X2 again, I could cry!

[DyneHaZ]

x3 was a great xmen movie

 

[gambitfire]

Praising or bashing, I am sick and tired of people thinking that they are high and mighty enough to post their own review thread. Secondly, X2 has nothing to do with X3. If you want to praise X2 or X1, go to the correct forums. We 'had' a single review thread for this case but people thought they deserve their own threads. I am not just picking on this thread starter because a lot of other people have done the same thing on either side. Very rarely do we get a thread in here that poses a good and debatable question where people from both sides can come in and talk. But gripe thread after gripe thread after praise thread has gotten old very quickly.

Let me solve that problem for you.........................


Don't go in them.

There simple enough .

And while you see this as a "gripe thread" I kinda saw a point too the first post and a meaningful one at that too (that relates to X3).

 

[gambitfire]

x3 was a great xmen movie

then you are clearly in the wrong thread.

Now start a valid debate or walk away.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just to clear something up, this was never meant as a simple 'bash X3' thread, this is why i never put any insults or 'bashes' in my first post. This was basically a thread to sum up mine and a lot of other people's frustration at missing out on our chance to get a truly great trilogy.

Even people who liked X3 must agree with SOME of my points.

Anyway i see many people have elaborated on my original post excellently, namely Spoarz TM, LastSunrise and many others, all of which have been great posts which sum up my feelings superbly. Its just sheer frustration and dissapointment to think about what X3 could have been.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Just to clear something up, this was never meant as a simple 'bash X3' thread, this is why i never put any insults or 'bashes' in my first post. This was basically a thread to sum up mine and a lot of other people's frustration at missing out on our chance to get a truly great trilogy.

Even people who liked X3 must agree with SOME of my points.

Anyway i see many people have elaborated on my original post excellently, namely Spoarz TM, LastSunrise and many others, all of which have been great posts which sum up my feelings superbly. Its just sheer frustration and dissapointment to think about what X3 could have been.

I do like X3, but I do have my own frustrations about what it could have been than what it was. I miss Singer. So, in closing, I'm 100% behind you, Aveit.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

true, we all have frustrations

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I do like X3, but I do have my own frustrations about what it could have been than what it was. I miss Singer. So, in closing, I'm 100% behind you, Aveit.

Thanks DOD, but i find X3 barely watchable. It actually angers me to watch it sometimes.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Thanks DOD, but i find X3 barely watchable. It actually angers me to watch it sometimes.

-hugs Aveit- I understand.

 

[gambitfire]

^How are you Online so early?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

its 8:41 AM here... and I gotta go to work in 10 mins. besides I got up at 7 to do a load of laundry.

 

[gambitfire]

I know we'r in the same time zone silly

lol you go online before going to work how adorable

Im actually at work!! lol

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

im taking off as we speak. Talk to you later, gambit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

-hugs Aveit- I understand.

Thanks, LOVE your X2 avatar BTW.

 

[CapBeerCino]

LOVE your X2 avatar BTW.

Same here. If you're ever tired of it - let me know

 

[josh8]

i love x2, but the one thing that stands out to me as a major flaw is that basically the story is pretty forgettable in the big picture. i wish they had tried to develop a story that was taken from the comics since it is a comic book movie. the movie had themes from "god loves, man kills" and "operation: zero tolerance", but it wasnt enough for me.

and i'm not even a person that needs the movies to be very much like the comics, but i would have preferred a villain that was actually important in the x-world.

instead, x2 to me was very much just "wolverine and friends". it didnt feel like an x-men movie at times.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

ha lol. Indeed...I changed my avvy to a non-animated one. lol

On topic: X2, didn't really feel like a Wolverine movie.... It didn't seem that way to me when I watched it. What im saying is that, X1 and X2, the way I see them, they're not Wolverine's movies, but by the time of X3, Wolverine was definately at his worse (which was SO freaking bad ) and was more of the focus and center (again- so damn wrong) in it than he was in x1 and X2. I think everyone had decent screentime in X1, in X2, its the same- sort of- minus Cyclops's lack of screentime, but he was still good.

Basically, what I'm saying is, X3 Shouldn't have been Wolverine's story and thats one of my gripes that i have with the film. Everyone should have played a part or had a hand in trying to help Jean come back to her senses but no, we got a Wolverine/Storm movie instead, not an X-Men movie that we got like X1 and X2.

 

[Goddessreicho]

YOu didn't get a Storm movie...She did one thing in the movie that was plot worthy. She kept fought for the school. People are always complaining about how she didn't fight for Jean. Helloo...The school is far more important than one single indivisual.

Besides according to alot of people why would Ororo fight for/with Jean. Jean was far more powerful and could shred her apart. Ororo would have signed her death sentence.

After this waste of time that was X3 along with the other two that were also non-Xmen movies, we still know nothing about the two soposed leaders of the X-men.

We know very little about Cyke and what we do know is only that he was with Jean. We know NOTHING about Storm. There's realy no solid official information about her place of birth. Singer couldn't even give us that little bit.

Tell me, those of who think that Storm was everywhere, what did you learn about her character that gave us depth into her core? What makes Storm well Storm? We've seen her three times, and by now there should be something about her that makes her into a remberable, right? What makes her an indivisual?

By time X4 comes around it will be too late to give us anything about these to essential characters and by then people who are still intrested won't care. The Wolverine plot will be far too overbaring.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

... bah. Forget what I said then. so much for an opinion.

 

[Goddessreicho]

I just don't get it when people say there was too much Storm. What does that mean.

She didn't do anything in the danger room. Wolverine literally stole her leader position right from underneath of her. She got the crap kicked out of her by Callisto because appreantly she has no melee exprience. (Which goes ditto for Scott in X2 which was why he was kinapped.) Wolverine lead at the final battle. Which of course is bull for those who really know her character, and Scott's too.

The eulogy was good, but pointless cause Xavier is alive and because of that he is still the Headmaster. So she isn't even HINO.

Tell me...where was there too much Storm. I really want to know.

 

[chaseter]

Let me solve that problem for you.........................


Don't go in them.

There simple enough .

And while you see this as a "gripe thread" I kinda saw a point too the first post and a meaningful one at that too (that relates to X3).

I mean I certainly have my fair share of complaints...but is it justifiable for every person to have their own review or thoughts thread? I could go on and on praising X2 but that belongs in its proper forum...not here. X3 was ok...I can count the things I loved on one hand and can gripe about what I didn't like on four. But I am not going to contribute to gripe threads when there are a million out there. And the praise threads are dead, dying, or run over by bashers. I just think this thread poses no elaborate question and people are only stating what they have stated over and over again...that they hate X3 and that X2 was the best. It then segways into Ratner, writer, Fox, etc... bashing and then crying and then reflecting on what they could have had and then realization and continued bashing.

 

[xmenfilesfan05]

I just don't get it when people say there was too much Storm. What does that mean.

She didn't do anything in the danger room. Wolverine literally stole her leader position right from underneath of her. She got the crap kicked out of her by Callisto because appreantly she has no melee exprience. (Which goes ditto for Scott in X2 which was why he was kinapped.) Wolverine lead at the final battle. Which of course is bull for those who really know her character, and Scott's too.

The eulogy was good, but pointless cause Xavier is alive and because of that he is still the Headmaster. So she isn't even HINO.

Tell me...where was there too much Storm. I really want to know.

In all of your examples, Storm was there, so I'm confused to why you're confused. And I feel like your grabbing at straws for excuses to why this film wasn't overloaded with Storm. You say that the Eulogy was good, but then you devalue it by saying, "It's not an important part to Storm because Xavier turns up alive at the end of the movie." The point is, Storm was in almost every scene that focused on the X-Men, she was a main character in the film...I'm not saying that her character quality was good, and that's just the point, no character in this film was particularly real or appealing to me.

 

[Goddessreicho]

All I'm saying is that her scenes had no value because she had no real signifigance to the plot except for keeping the school open. Your right, she was in a lot of the scenes, just like in X2...same thing.

She was frame filler with no real purpose. And that goes triple for X1.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

ahem, correct me if i'm wrong, but...what was Storm's purpose on the Dark Phoenix Saga in the comics? What was her purpose on the cure storyline on the comics? what was her purpose on most sagas from the comics? I am a fan of her, but imo, she's always been the special supporting character in all major sagas and storyilines.

 

[xmenfilesfan05]

Exactly...which can be frustrating for both Storm fans, as well as fans who would have loved to see more of their favorite characters...which opens Storm/Halle to all kinds of unneeded bashing. I just find X3 to be a frustrating miss from the movie universe that has been created.

 

[Goddessreicho]

True, but in Dark Phoenix, God Loves, and the other stories that made it into the movies, we were able to get a point of view of Storm. Something that made her likeable. Dare I say she was also a leader in some cases.

But Storm has had her own major story lines. Not anything on a grand scale mind you, but she never needed a big epic story to make her a lead character, which is ok because it's an essemble piece. She shouldn't have been a large player in the fake Dark Phoenix Saga. But she shouldn't have been pointless and a punching bag either.

But she has ALWAYS had the short end of the stick. Case in point...look at the current run of the Black Panther, or her marriage rejection with Forge, losing her powers, losing her body to Emma. Somebody needs to cut the character some slack. Mabe have something good happen to her for once. Something that doesn't take anything away or bring her down. Give her a storyline that's not pointless neither are her actions, and give her something of her own.

The movies could have been an oppurtunity to fix that. Did it?