Watching X2 again, I could cry!

[BMM]

. . . Magneto makes a jab at Cyclops. He just looks at Jean.

You and Cyclops are right . . . and actually, he doesn't even look at Jean. It seems you and I both thought he did at some point, but after looking back at it, he doesn't even do that.

 

[chaseter]

And as long as they don't break any rules, I don't see why they're a problem. The only problem I see is that those who don't agree with the opinion expressed don't want to see them. And that's just a "tough, too bad" problem.

How is everyone creating their own review thread not breaking any rules? LS not to long ago stickied a master review thread...but that is long gone.

 

[Cyclops]

You find me a rule that says "No individual review threads" and then we'll get talking.

People do this stuff all the time. And you know what? It's pointless to fight it. It doesn't hurt anybody. It doesn't directly insult anybody inherently.

So what, then, if there are various threads expressing different angles of negative opinions? There are various threads expressing different angles of positive opinions too.

 

[chaseter]

You find me a rule that says "No individual review threads" and then we'll get talking.

People do this stuff all the time. And you know what? It's pointless to fight it. It doesn't hurt anybody. It doesn't directly insult anybody inherently.

So what, then, if there are various threads expressing different angles of negative opinions? There are various threads expressing different angles of positive opinions too.

Why don't you create a review thread...hell, lets all create one and see what happens. If by what you say it is ok...then not a single one would get shut down by a MOD.

 

[Cyclops]

I have no desire to create a review thread. And if you really want to, go ahead. I won't discourage you.

I just learned long ago that railing and fighting these kinds of threads is futile. They'll keep popping up no matter what you do, so stop stressing over such things and just let them happen. The world keeps turning after all.

 

[chaseter]

I have no desire to create a review thread. And if you really want to, go ahead. I won't discourage you.

I just learned long ago that railing and fighting these kinds of threads is futile. They'll keep popping up no matter what you do, so stop stressing over such things and just let them happen. The world keeps turning after all.

I have no desire and I rarely create threads...maybe 3 ever. You have been here longer than me so maybe you can take it. I just hate to see these boards go overrun by people who think they should all have their own thread. Hell, go to the Spider-Man threads and you will see about 2-3 threads over the same exact topic. I just think so many people were angered by this movie that they think their opinion will be heard and Fox will fix everything....that is why I quit b****ing a long time ago about the movie, not the triplicate threads everywhere.

 

[Cyclops]

I doubt there are many with illusions that FOX gives half a **** about any X-Men fans. Even those who like this movie probably don't even believe for half of a second that FOX cares either way about what we think or how we feel we've been wronged.

But that doesn't mean we don't have a wealth of opinion and very few outlets to express them in.

 

[The Guard]

1) Once again, your attempt to spin my words to fit your argument is glaring. I never said I forgot the characters at all, what I'm saying is even if it's a third film, character development is extremely important and judging from the previous film before X3 you had characters that were being built up and were going to have some interesting arcs.

You said you didn't feel for them. I'm asking why? If anything, you should have felt for them more. Apparently you are incapable of feeling unless you are manipulated. That's scary.

2) X3 had character development? Not to be rude or anything, but you're the same guy who said Batman and Robin had better dialogue than Batman Begins.

Yes, X3 had character development. Notice how Xavier CHANGES from what he had been in X-MEN and X2? DEVELOPED as a character? How Wolverine is slowly becoming a LEADER, when he wasn't one before? How Storm became more warriorlike and fierce? How Bobby sought out other comparionship besides Rogue? Hmm...all DEVELOPMENTS in characterization and story, aren't they? Hmm...

Don't worry, I don't think you're rude...I think you're ignorant. And also that you have a poor memory. Regarding your idiotic statement about BEGINS and B&R, I said/implied, and made very clear when people actually thought what you apparently think, that many of the PUNS in BATMAN & ROBIN were more clever than the puns in BATMAN BEGINS. Remember? The thread where I was badmouthing Scarecrow's lameass pun in BEGINS? Apparently you don't, because you still think I said the dialogue in BATMAN & ROBIN was better than BATMAN BEGINS.

Again it's your opinion, but why should I listen to you about what makes a film better?

I didn't say a thing about you listening to me about what makes a film better. I'm not interested in giving you a lesson in filmmaking. I'm interested in telling you that your position that X-Men was devoid of certain filmmaking aspects is quite simply... wrong.

X3 HAS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, NO STORY, AND NO EMOTION. Are you that upset that someone has a different opinion from yours? X1/X2 had real raw emotion that left a lasting impact.

No, I'm upset that people like you are still allowed to communicate with the outside world with such ignorant opinions.

"No" story?

1. The Cure
2. Wolverine's progression to leader.
3. The Dark Phoenix Saga.
4. Magneto's story

"No" character development?
-Xavier gets darker
-Storm gets angrier and more physical
-Jean turns into freaking Dark Phoenix
-Wolverine becomes a leader

"No' emotion?

-I won't even bother.

It's clear that when you say "no", you don't actually mean "no" or "none", and that you simply do not understand how to use English properly. See, when people say "no" or "none", they tend to mean "no" or "none". Not "very little" or "less than I would have liked to have seen, had my limited English skills not prevented me from conceiving and writing X3".

3) You misunderstood my point of the flashbacks. Perhaps during or after the funeral it would've been nice to see some flashbacks of Storm as a child going to the school, Bobby first arriving to the school, or even Xavier with young Scott. The purpose of this would be to add some more emotional weight that shows Xavier more as a father figure. Something that the first two films established really well.

Oh. Random flashbacks to generate emotion. How clever. You should write. Professionally.

4) Hank, Storm, Scott, Rogue, and etc, etc.... were and are very important people to Xavier. Obviously every mutant in the school is important to him but they have/had an emotional connection to him and looked at him as their father to an extent. Scott talking to a comatose Xavier in X1 is living proof of how he felt about him.

And all of those people were at the funeral. And...AND...were at that meeting about keeping the school open, and clearly affected by the events of the previous few days.

5) Right. Xavier gets a big funeral and a big scene of those "mourning him" but yet, Scott isn't given any kind of recognition and is simply forgotten about later on.

That sucks. Incidentally, don't generalize when you write, and I won't have to point out the inaccuracies in your statements. If your issue is with SCOTT'S DEATH, say SCOTT'S DEATH. Don't say DEATHS, implying that all the deaths in X3 were handled poorly.

Yes, feel the funeral scene and the dialogue within the scene was forced and the acting with Halle was horrible. It didn't seem real, didn't seem honest, and wasn't emotional whatsoever.

Blame Halle. The writing in that scene is actually quite good. She butchered the delivery of her lines. Luckily that doesn't ruin the performances all the OTHER actors gave during grieving scenes.

 

[gambitfire]

Negative:
1.Watching X2, I could cry again
2.Bryan Singer's X-Men 3
3.Did Anyone Notice Colossus
4.Beast Should Have Had some Dialogue with Magneto
5.Colossus...X3 is just so lazy
6.Idea ending for X-Men 3

Positive:
X3 won the Scream Award...
Which Character came off Best in X3

1. Maybe
2. Not necessarily it's just about what Singer would of done that is all. It's no one's fault arguments start spinning. As a matter of fact i just realized the posts in there have gone off topic but it's not a hate thread
3. Yes
4. Not necessarily
5.Yes
6. NO

Because you fell a certain way about certain threads doesn't mean everyone else does also. So i you don't like it well then unless you're a MOD you really can't do much about it.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Why would the Dialogue from X2 be odd?

If anything just by having a good phoenix in X3 then it would of cleared the air on what Xavier said, something Singer was intent on doing.

If anything it is because of X3 that certain things in X2 don't make sense.

i agree completely. When you watch ONLY X2, that scene makes perfect sense. It's great. But when you take X3 into account, it makes you hate Xavier, and the scene is hypocrite, lame.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i agree completely. When you watch ONLY X2, that scene makes perfect sense. It's great. But when you take X3 into account, it makes you hate Xavier, and the scene is hypocrite, lame.

Exactly the scene makes perfect sense.

Xavier: "You know, when Jean was a student, she was always hesitant about her powers, was always looking to other to help her.......feeling that in some way, she was left behind."

Cylcops: "Do you think........could we have done more to save her."

Xavier: " In the past.....she may have let us."

Wolverine: "There had to be another way, why did she leave the plane."

Xavier: "Because she made a choice."

Then after Wolverine and Cyclop have their chat outside were Logan tells Scott Jean chose HIM.

The Professor looks out the window

Jubilee: "Professor, is everything alright."

Xavier: 'Looking back into the room, smiling' "Yes i think it will be."

Makes perfect sense in X2, but X3 just ruins it.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

It did

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Sad, very sad isnt it.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

you know, after I bought the two X-Men movies once I joined the Hype back in Feb, and after seeing X2 after so long, EVEN though I wouldn't watch it b/c of the red head woman dying, I had hopes that in X3, it would cleverly in some way connect the dots. Since I couldnt watch X-Men on t.v cause fox took it off the air, I went back and watched both Phoenix sagas on youtube and man, I felt like a kid again when I had watched them earlier at my babysitter's house when I was really really young. I didn't care a bout Jean in the comics/cartoons, but when I saw the X3 teaser and that Jean was back, thats when it occured to me that X3 would do the Phoenix saga. Therefore, I was looking forward to Scott's role but unfortunately after seeing it, he had little screentime and what I didn't like was the whole idea of Logan and Cyclops switching of roles. Since then, I was left with mix feelings...and I still have those feelings.

While I liked X3 for certain parts, it still feels kinda incomplete. I dunno. damn these mix feelings.

 

[La_She-Beast]

While I liked X3 for certain parts, it still feels kinda incomplete. I dunno. damn these mix feelings.

Lol, I hear you min.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

you know, after I bought the two X-Men movies once I joined the Hype back in Feb, and after seeing X2 after so long, EVEN though I wouldn't watch it b/c of the red head woman dying, I had hopes that in X3, it would cleverly in some way connect the dots. Since I couldnt watch X-Men on t.v cause fox took it off the air, I went back and watched both Phoenix sagas on youtube and man, I felt like a kid again when I had watched them earlier at my babysitter's house when I was really really young. I didn't care a bout Jean in the comics/cartoons, but when I saw the X3 teaser and that Jean was back, thats when it occured to me that X3 would do the Phoenix saga. Therefore, I was looking forward to Scott's role but unfortunately after seeing it, he had little screentime and what I didn't like was the whole idea of Logan and Cyclops switching of roles. Since then, I was left with mix feelings...and I still have those feelings.

While I liked X3 for certain parts, it still feels kinda incomplete. I dunno. damn these mix feelings.

I know exactly what you mean, from the word 'go' i knew this movie would be off, i just knew it, and i knew just knew it wouldnt contain the level of emotion or character needed when the run-time was announced. It was obvious to me at that point that we were getting a totally forgettable action movie.

But all the way through i kept thinking to myself, surely they cant mess this up, they have an amazing predecessor, and one of the best CB stories ever to adapt from, I thought it would be extremely diffucult to mess this up, but alas, they did it!

 

[jrd550]

Watching X2 last night i just found myself becoming more and more saddened at what happened with X3. X2 is, IMO, a fabulous movie and i still get goosebumps at the end when Jean gives her voice over and the firebird appears under the water. But then i remember what comes next. I thought X3 might have lessened X2's impact but its a testament to X2's quality that it is still the same great movie and still has the same impact. However, the difference in quality between X2 and X3 is astounding to me personally. I know there are fans of X3 but this also applies to them in a way.

X2 was THE perfect set up for a long, exciting, action packed movie but with lots of heart and sad moments. The thing that makes X2 superior are just the little character moments, like Cyclops telling Jean 'I would never let anything happen you,' or the talk between Storm and Nightcrawler in the X-Jet, or th talk betwen Bobby and Wolverine in the kitchen or the look Pyro gives when he is burning the cops in the car or the subsequent look he gives Rogue when she absorbs some of his powers, or Rogue quietly thanking Nightcrawler for saving her life, or Magneto telling Pyro he is a 'God among insects,' or Magneto asking Wolverine what he will do once he gets to the spillway mechanism 'Scratch it with you claws.' Or the short exchange between Mystique and Nightcrawler. Not mention that Jean's 'death' scene is handled 100 times better than any death scene in X3. The movie just doesnt move onto the next action scene after this death scene and really focuses on the effects it has on the characters who witnessed it. You just dont get moments like these in X3 and they make more of a difference than anything, and you can notice that X3 is missing this.

Watching X2 i just think, HOW do you mess up a follow up to this, its just got to be impossible. But IMO, they really did mess up what not only could have been an amazing 3rd installment that truly would have rocked the socks off practically every X-Fan in the world (not all obviously), and really put this trilogy into the upper echelons of the great trilogy list and we would have finally had a comic book trilogy that people would name alongside LOTR and the original Star Wars trilogy. I mean its like they were TRYING to mess it up, its obvious they were more bothered about the release date than the quality of the movie. I just dont think i am ever going to get over this (film-wise, i dont cry myself to sleep at night or anything ) until we get another X-Men movie better than X2 and i cant see that happening for a good, good while unless Bryan Singer returns to the franchise or we get another quality film maker in. I mean, even fans of X3 must admit they are dissapointed when they look at what we could have got. I know nothing will change now but i just had to throw this out there after experiencing the joy of X2 again.

Well said. If Singer were in charge the following wouldn't have happened:

1. angel - one line? what for?
2. mutant convoy - why didn't the government just cure them?
3. multiple man - brought in for one scene?
4. cyclops death - in five minutes?
5. rogue takes the cure - and that's it? see ya later rogue.
6. brotherhood - boy they looked stupid. they belong on myspce.

 

[Celestio]

Well said. If Singer were in charge the following wouldn't have happened:

1. angel - one line? what for?
2. mutant convoy - why didn't the government just cure them?
3. multiple man - brought in for one scene?
4. cyclops death - in five minutes?
5. rogue takes the cure - and that's it? see ya later rogue.
6. brotherhood - boy they looked stupid. they belong on myspce.

You don't know that for a fact. For all we know, Singer might not have even included Angel. (And for the record, he had more lines than one.)

 

[WorthyStevens]

You know, now that I think about it... I originally didn't care for the way Singer would've introduced Angel in X2, but after seeing X3, I now would have preferred it.

You don't know that for a fact. For all we know, Singer might not have even included Angel. (And for the record, he had more lines than one.)

Hmm...

"Just a second!"

"I'm sorry."

"No, it's what you want."

"I've been told this is a safe place for mutants."

Those are pretty much all of his lines from the movie. Not much more than one.

 

[gambitfire]

^

LOL

 

[Seen]

You and Cyclops are right . . . and actually, he doesn't even look at Jean. It seems you and I both thought he did at some point, but after looking back at it, he doesn't even do that.

Magneto was intentionally trying not to look at them. If he did, he'd get the heebee-jeebees or something. And those are very bad. Bad heebee-jeebees!

 

[Celestio]

You know, now that I think about it... I originally didn't care for the way Singer would've introduced Angel in X2, but after seeing X3, I now would have preferred it.



Hmm...

"Just a second!"

"I'm sorry."

"No, it's what you want."

"I've been told this is a safe place for mutants."

Those are pretty much all of his lines from the movie. Not much more than one.

"Dad can we talk about this for a second?"

"I can't do this."

"I'm sorry I know this is a bad time.."

Yes, not much more than one but there are more, which is why I said 'for the record'.

How would Singer have introduced Angel in X2 btw? I don't think I've ever heard it.

 

[jrd550]

"Dad can we talk about this for a second?"

"I can't do this."

"I'm sorry I know this is a bad time.."

Yes, not much more than one but there are more, which is why I said 'for the record'.

How would Singer have introduced Angel in X2 btw? I don't think I've ever heard it.

Of course he had more than one line, technically - but in terms of context, they amount to about one.

 

[WorthyStevens]

"Dad can we talk about this for a second?"

"I can't do this."

"I'm sorry I know this is a bad time.."

Yes, not much more than one but there are more, which is why I said 'for the record'.

How would Singer have introduced Angel in X2 btw? I don't think I've ever heard it.

As one of Stryker's prisoners, who would've met up with Cyke in his cell. If you have the X2 DVD, there are some designs for Angel on the second disc.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well said. If Singer were in charge the following wouldn't have happened:

1. angel - one line? what for?
2. mutant convoy - why didn't the government just cure them?
3. multiple man - brought in for one scene?
4. cyclops death - in five minutes?
5. rogue takes the cure - and that's it? see ya later rogue.
6. brotherhood - boy they looked stupid. they belong on myspce.

Exactly, and i dont think Xavier or Jean would have died either under Singer, and Cyclops definately wouldnt have.

What a trilogy we could have had.