WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[Cell]

If you say so.. talk to hardcore batman fans about that

About the time thing. so you are a medium? seeing things in an alternate reality? no seriously just kidding with you.. but you know what? even on ain't it cool news THE site where fan like to spit on movies , there is a good percentage of people who like the movie after having seen it anew on dvd.

as for your second point, nope, not every movie is stylised as Sr.
after that Burton movies are more radical? .. of course there are.So? that mean because a Michael Mann Movie is not as outrageous as a burton in style it is not really stylised? nope it's just not as radical that's all.

Degree of stylization is also a matter of opinion. There's no question it has it's own distinct style, specifically in the visual sense, but I don't feel it's taken to a degree that defines that world one way or another, the way Burton's aesthetics tend to do with his films. We more or less agree on the general point, I think.

yup if you mean that you hope that the second movie will be more in allignement with what you like .. that i can understand.

If I end up loving the film it's likely his approach evolved into something I agreed with, or it might be a completely fresh spin no one saw coming that does it for me. Either way, I'd settle for a film that manages to generally entertain me past the first hour at this point.

 

[Maze]

.There's no question it has it's own distinct style, specifically in the visual sense, but I don't feel it's taken to a degree that defines that world one way or another, the way Burton's aesthetics tend to do with his films. We more or less agree on the general point, I think.

Yep we are. It just needed some clarification.

thanks you .

If I end up loving the film it's likely his approach evolved into something I agreed with, or it might be a completely fresh spin no one saw coming that does it for me. Either way, I'd settle for a film that manages to generally entertain me past the first hour at this point

Yup.

i guess we'll see. for a number of reasons , imo the Superman sequel has a llot of chances to be very interesting , but we'll see yup

 

[Slipping_Halo]

Superman Returns should have been a masterpiece. If Superman: The Movie is the Citizen Kane of superhero movies, Superman Returns should have been The Godfather. It had every ounce of potential to be the greatest thing ever, to prove once and for all who the real big guy is, and it fell flat on its face.

There were moments, sparks of these things in Superman Returns but the fire was conspicuously missing throughout-starting with the crappy suit and ending with the horrid act of giving him a child. It should have been a masterpiece but instead was mediocre. A true Superman film with all the action, character and magic that Superman carries inherently as a comic book character would entertain and satisfy all Superman fans despite petty squabbles over things like the size of the shield or cheesy one-liners.

A Superman film done right should make the hairs on a Superman fan-any Superman fan-'s neck stand up. The scenes of unabashed heroism should incite tears for it's stunningly poignant reminder of why we love this character. I didn't get that from Superman Returns.

 

[Cell]

Superman Returns should have been a masterpiece. If Superman: The Movie is the Citizen Kane of superhero movies, Superman Returns should have been The Godfather. It had every ounce of potential to be the greatest thing ever, to prove once and for all who the real big guy is, and it fell flat on its face.

There were moments, sparks of these things in Superman Returns but the fire was conspicuously missing throughout-starting with the crappy suit and ending with the horrid act of giving him a child. It should have been a masterpiece but instead was mediocre. A true Superman film with all the action, character and magic that Superman carries inherently as a comic book character would entertain and satisfy all Superman fans despite petty squabbles over things like the size of the shield or cheesy one-liners.

A Superman film done right should make the hairs on a Superman fan-any Superman fan-'s neck stand up. The scenes of unabashed heroism should incite tears for it's stunningly poignant reminder of why we love this character. I didn't get that from Superman Returns.

Precisely, and I would add, it should make the hairs on >everyone's< neck stand up, it has that potential. This general sentiment is simply not isolated to a few hardcore comic book fans, the likes of which were denouncing Burton's hyper-stylized films at comic book conventions 18 years ago 'till today, it's shared by a much greater margin of the audience in this case.

 

[raybia]

WB, don't try too hard to faithfully continue from SR. afterall, SR is sending wrong messages, and it has too many bad attachments.

you would have no time to introduce new villains, to develop the new plot, the characters of clark kent, superman & lois lane, and to get the public involved if you went to develop the kid storyline; the superman & the kid relationship, the triangular love, to explain richard white and to bring lex luthor back into business.

if you made a faithful sequel of SR, it would only lead you to dead end and kill the superman movie franchise all together.

pls just make a good superman movie. the metallo & brainiac episodes of the animation of superman are some of the examples of a good structure superman film you can refer to.

Ok, the damage has been done.

For the sequel, I say make it as much like Spider-man II as possible.

Yeah, I know that is completely un-original but WB has shown they don't know how in the hell to properly handle DC's flagship character so just follow the Sony formula OR just give the Superman movie rights to Sony and let them make it.

 

[Maze]

For the sequel, I say make it as much like Spider-man II as possible.

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And i say , no thanks .

And i don't even think that it would be a good idea ..nobody did a Matrix success in mimicking Matrix.

If the franchise succed or fail it will be with his own identity ( yeah i know Donner clone etc , not what i saw )

 

[raybia]

And i say , no thanks .

And i don't even think that it would be a good idea ..nobody did a Matrix success in mimicking Matrix.

If the franchise succed or fail it will be with his own identity ( yeah i know Donner clone etc , not what i saw )

Thats NOT what I really want (A spider-man knockoff)

What I really wanted was a live-action version of Superman: TAS...more or less, and eye-popping visuals.

To be honest, a T2 on steroids as far as action.

 

[Cell]

It could've been all that and more... and yes the extent to which the film parallels the Donner film goes too far in my estimation. Also, Singers approach doesn't have exclusive rights for delivering a deeply moving Superman film with a great deal of emotional breadth and resonance, there are a myriad different ways this can be delivered on film using this license. He had some of the right intentions, he just failed on the execution. Spider-man may lack the same 'gravitas' Superman has inherently, he is after-all a more 'down to earth' character, but over-emphasizing that one element in a Superman film at the expense of what makes the fiction truly entertaining and inspirational for a lot of people doesn't make any sense to me. The impact of this is felt in individual plot elements that are major points of contention and debate on this forum and all over the internet, as well as the overall quality of the film.

 

[JamalYIgle]

It could've been all that and more... and yes the extent to which the film parallels the Donner film goes too far in my estimation. Also, Singers approach doesn't have exclusive rights for delivering a deeply moving Superman film with a great deal of emotional breadth and resonance, there are a myriad different ways this can be delivered on film using this license. He had some of the right intentions, he just failed on the execution. Spider-man may lack the same 'gravitas' Superman has inherently, he is after-all a more 'down to earth' character, but over-emphasizing that one element in a Superman film at the expense of what makes the fiction truly entertaining and inspirational for a lot of people doesn't make any sense to me. The impact of this is felt in individual plot elements that are major points of contention and debate on this forum and all over the internet, as well as the overall quality of the film.

I think people get disappointed because they build up their own estimations of what the film should be, instead of what the finished film is. The problem is taht you want to see YOUR version of a Superman movie,based on your vision of Superman. not every one shares your particular vision, other people have another view of the character, which is just as valid as yours. So it's raelly not for you to say what should and should not be done, unless you're the one doing the film.

 

[Cell]

I think people get disappointed because they build up their own estimations of what the film should be, instead of what the finished film is. The problem is taht you want to see YOUR version of a Superman movie,based on your vision of Superman. not every one shares your particular vision, other people have another view of the character, which is just as valid as yours. So it's raelly not for you to say what should and should not be done, unless you're the one doing the film.

Nope, although everyone would like to see their version of anything brought to life on film, I don't particularly care. I just know Singers version doesn't cut it for a lot of people including myself. It is for me to say what should and should not be done, for they are the producers and I am the consumer, and for the most part my sentiments will be expressed in dollars. When they produce what I want to consume, they will be rewarded accordingly with my praise and then some. If they produce what turns out to be what many other people want, they get rewarded with their praise. If I end up in the minority, not liking something others love, so be it, that's not the case here.

I also knew to temper my expectations and kept myself mostly in the dark about the film so as not to risk being let down or anything of the sort. Now, did I go again and again to see the film as I had hoped I'd feel compelled to do? Nope, they lose. Did I go out and buy the DVD? Nope, they lose again. Could they have gotten me to do so? Along with millions of others, thus creating the true blockbuster a Superman film has the potential to be? Yep, but they didn't deliver to that extent. It was a commercial success, make no mistake, and thank goodness, since now there's a chance for another try in a sequel, but the film didn't even meet their own expectations.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Nope, although everyone would like to see their version of anything brought to life on film, I don't particularly care. I just know Singers version doesn't cut it for a lot of people including myself. It is for me to say what should and should not be done, for they are the producers and I am the consumer, and for the most part my sentiments will be expressed in dollars. When they produce what I want to consume, they will be rewarded accordingly with my praise and then some. If they produce what turns out to be what many other people want, they get rewarded with their praise. If I end up in the minority, not liking something others love, so be it, that's not the case here.

I also knew to temper my expectations and kept myself mostly in the dark about the film so as not to risk being let down or anything of the sort. Now, did I go again and again to see the film as I had hoped I'd feel compelled to do? Nope, they lose. Did I go out and buy the DVD? Nope, they lose again. Could they have gotten me to do so? Along with millions of others, thus creating the true blockbuster a Superman film has the potential to be? Yep, but they didn't deliver to that extent. It was a commercial success, make no mistake, and thank goodness, since now there's a chance for another try in a sequel, but the film didn't even meet their own expectations.

you've proved my point again.

 

[Cell]

you've proved my point again.

Mind shattering counter-point, I guess you got me.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Mind shattering counter-point, I guess you got me.

All right I'll break it down for you. Through you last statement, you fill it with the conceit that they had to please you as a fan in order to create the ultimate Superman Movie. no they don't have to please you , because while you and others may have been disappointed by the movie there were millions of people, myself included , who weren't. in any creative endevour there is a rule. You can only serve one master and if you put something out there it will find an audience. So does Bryan have to listen to random fans , who can't agree on a unified vision of what Superman should be about? No he has to serve himself, his vision of the franchise, and his voice within the Superman universe. For you, I or anyone else to try and dictate to him what he should do is wrong and a disservice.

 

[Cell]

All right I'll break it down for you. Through you last statement, you fill it with the conceit that they had to please you as a fan in order to create the ultimate Superman Movie. no they don't have to please you , because while you and others may have been disappointed by the movie there were millions of people, myself included , who weren't. in any creative endevour there is a rule. You can only serve one master and if you put something out there it will find an audience. So does Bryan have to listen to random fans , who can't agree on a unified vision of what Superman should be about? No he has to serve himself, his vision of the franchise, and his voice within the Superman universe. For you, I or anyone else to try and dictate to him what he should do is wrong and a disservice.

We aren't debating morality or freedom of will here. He creates a product, I generate an opinion of it that I am free to express, and he learns of my approval or disapproval in financial terms, that simple. Unless I speak with him directly and in a derogatory tone at that on the subject, I am doing no one a disservice and it is not 'wrong', it is simply my opinion expressed openly as it is my right, and one you happen to disagree with.

Anyway, he hardly has to go so far as pleasing me as a 'fan', as I said many posts earlier, delivering a film I would at the very least find entertaining irrespective of his take on the Superman mythos would satisfy me, he failed to do even that for me and I am not 'wrong' for having this view. Finally, the proof is in the numbers, a true modern blockbuster of a Superman film, regardless of who's vision it follows, has yet to be made. I hope he hits it out of the park for more people with the sequel.

 

[raybia]

Well, I guess on one hand, whether SR was a great movie or not is an individually subjective response WHILE on the other I would dare to say that SR was not universally deemed a victory at the box office or as a critically acclaimed movie...certainly not in the way movies like BB, T2, Matrix, or Titantic was.

I regret to say that I was disappointed with the direction that Singer took and the movie its self. Was it a bad movie? NO. It was in my opinion, the 3rd best Superman movie made after 1 and 2. I always had doubts if someone could capture the magic of the 1st one, but fully expected it to be better than S:II. However SR, it was an uninspired effort.

I for one wanted a restart and a live action version of TAS.

After seeing SR, I wouldn't even mind as much if they decided to go in another direction by setting the movie in the early '40s, with Nazis, giant Robots, and essential making a live action Fleschier movie, with the same visuals as Sky Captain and making a story remincient of an Indy movie as far as a movie filled with action and adventure and having someone like Brad Bird direct (Incredibles, Iron Giant.)

Even that would have been a victory over what was essentially a 21st century retelling of Superman: The Movie.

Sorry, but Singers approach showed he had no real imagination on where to take the Man of Steel and an unhealthly fascination with Donner's movie.

If he is going to direct the sequel, fine, but get someone else to write the story, preferrable someone who is a Superman fanboy and expert. Kind of like how Nolan brought Goyer on board. To me, this showed Nolan's committment to get it as right as possible by putting his ego in check, and admitting that he wasn't an expert on the Dark Knight.

 

[WormyT]

You know,
for a superhero flick SR lacks SO many kodak moments. This is probably what gave the marketing teams massive head aches. I work as an artist at a company and know first hand how determined marketing are at making the product look the best.
I watched the TV spots and trailers for the Matrix movies the other day.
man, I'm NOT a big matrix fan at all but those movies have SO many kodak moments. SOme fake, some real, but you remember the shots vividly. You can tell the directors are TRYING to wow us. Give us something we've never seen before.


For marketing SR they really had very little to work with. They would have asked Bryan

Marketing:"Ok, thanks for those few airplane scenes, could we get some footage of him fighting some villains?"
Bryan:" He doesn't fight any Supervillains"
Marketing: "WHat!? But theres a villain right?"
Bryan: "Yes, Lex Luthor".
Marketing:" Hmm, thats kind of unoriginal but OK. Could you provide us with footage of Superman Holding Luthor up by the neck and looking pissed?"
Bryan:" No, he doesn't touch Luthor in my script".
Marketing:"What!? Well, could you give us some footage from they're climactic finale where they talk crap to each other for 5 minutes and utter iconic sinister lines of dialogue"
Bryan:"No, Superman only says 2 sentences. They're verbal interaction is about 5 lines of Dialogue".
Marketing:"But...but it's been 20 years...and the audience will have been sitting for over 2 hours. Does Luthor at least unleash some Giants Robots? We could use footage like that for our ad campaigns and TV spots".
Bryan:"No, Theres no Robots, Supermans got no dialogue, the only thing I can give you is shots of Luthor Stabbing Superman with Kryptonite."
Marketing:"Huh? But how can that be? doesn't he lift a continent of krptonite into space in the lackluster finale?
Bryan:" Thats because he rises into the sky like God with sunshine healing him. He then flies back through the clouds like the lord jesus Christ. I also like how I have him stabbed in the waist like when jesus was speared on the cross after his death. I wanted to have water pour out of his waist wound but Richard Donner talked me out of it saying to 'take it easy' with the biblical references. I'm gonna add it onto the super edition DVD next year anyway."
Marketing" You know, it's going to be really hard to sell this movie Bryan. We at the marketing department have very little to work with. I mean, the airplane rescue is thrilling but thats about it for the action so we can't show too much of THAT in the marketing, but then you leave us with shots of him flying with tears in his eyes, getting stabbed while screaming like a girl and then footage of him saying "it's not easy for me..". Your'e making our job difficult. We can only market this to sensitive women.
Bryan:"Thats not true at all, I'm ALSO going to give you guys footage of a bullet bouncing off his eye and off his chest."
Marketing:"Well I guess thats something but hardly compelling. We belive the world didn't wait 20 years for mediocre rehashed action scenes."

 

[raybia]

Thats funny, but unfortunately this joke illustrates the problems with SR. My biggest question is how did this movie he greenlighted.

Did WB Execs let the years of limbo this movie was in finally get to them to where they felt forced to take a leap of faith with a proven director?

 

[TwilightPro101]

I didn't see any problem with the particular approach Singer had with the film. It was a more intelluctual Superman film. It had action in its own way and it established itself as such for that film.

The sequel will be different. Just remember X2.

 

[DarkSuperman]

Exhibit A:
Spider-man's box office...

Exhibit B:
Superman Returns box office...

First things first, I'm not citing the box office draw of each of these films to make the case for why one is superior to the other, nor am I saying this is proof positive that Superman Returns simply sucks. But what I will say is that the disparity here is unacceptable, and inexcusable, both in the business and creative sense. For those who enjoyed watching Singer's vision of Superman, well good for you. Here's the bottom-line as I see it... had Superman Returns been a Superman film more in line with the preferences and expectations of people like mego joe... I'm almost certain this disparity in box office receipts would not be so pronounced (competing with Pirates of the Caribbean 2 can not explain this away completely). It was simply not the Superman film a good number of people wanted to see. While comic boards such as this one are usually home to plenty of detractors for every film under the sun, the schism this film has created is impressive by any standard. The debate has been beaten to death alright, but the right film would never have produced such a heated debate in the first place.

Firstly...Can I just say I love you? Hahaha.

Secondly, I completely and whole heartedly agree with everything you say. fans of Singer-Man can throw as many excuses as they want for why Superman Returns barely made its money back and why Spider-Man makes almost a BILLION dollars EVERY TIME out of the gate, but its like this...

#1 Nobody likes "Rebirths" with "Vague History" what that really means is "Plot Holes" and "Bad Writing"

#2 Had Singer bothered to research the comics instead of copying Donner like a slacker who didnt study for his final exam, perhaps his film would have been great too.

#3 Whatever, your thoughts about the Spider-Man franchise, those films are damn near perfect. They do it how it was mean't to be done. FAITHFUL Character Driven Dramatic story WITH Super Villain? Check. Amazing Action? Check. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but it seems that if you wanted a superhero franchise as popular as Spiderman...maybe you shoulda took a page outta their play book instead of making a Lame Story about a Superman who cries, knocks up woman, and battles rock. Yes, I said...his biggest challenge was a ROCK. LAME.

Have you seen those toy commercials? "Superman with crystal smashing Action." Yeah...a kid is gonna beg for that action figure.

*Mr Rogers Voice* Now what have we learned today children? That if we want to make a superhero film widely accepted and hailed by the general public and critics alike that we shoulda more strictly follow THE SOURCE MATERIAL, EMBRACE THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARACTERS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY...GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY WANT. PERIOD.

This is all I have to say on the subject, although Im sure someone is gonna say Im completely wrong and that Superman has always been a boring story about a dude leaving his ex-girlfriend only to return and find her shacked up with a new guy and raising his bastard son.

SR wasnt a bad movie, it just wasnt a Superman Movie. It was Intergalactic Dawson's Creek. It woulda fit just dandy with the CW's new Fall Line up. Coming soon "Krypton's Creek"

*singing loudly* I dont wanna wait, for our lives to be over...

 

[raybia]

Firstly...Can I just say I love you? Hahaha.

Secondly, I completely and whole heartedly agree with everything you say. fans of Singer-Man can throw as many excuses as they want for why Superman Returns barely made its money back and why Spider-Man makes almost a BILLION dollars EVERY TIME out of the gate, but its like this...

#1 Nobody likes "Rebirths" with "Vague History" what that really means is "Plot Holes" and "Bad Writing"

#2 Had Singer bothered to research the comics instead of copying Donner like a slacker who didnt study for his final exam, perhaps his film would have been great too.

#3 Whatever, your thoughts about the Spider-Man franchise, those films are damn near perfect. They do it how it was mean't to be done. FAITHFUL Character Driven Dramatic story WITH Super Villain? Check. Amazing Action? Check. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but it seems that if you wanted a superhero franchise as popular as Spiderman...maybe you shoulda took a page outta their play book instead of making a Lame Story about a Superman who cries, knocks up woman, and battles rock. Yes, I said...his biggest challenge was a ROCK. LAME.

Have you seen those toy commercials? "Superman with crystal smashing Action." Yeah...a kid is gonna beg for that action figure.

*Mr Rogers Voice* Now what have we learned today children? That if we want to make a superhero film widely accepted and hailed by the general public and critics alike that we shoulda more strictly follow THE SOURCE MATERIAL, EMBRACE THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARACTERS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY...GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY WANT. PERIOD.

This is all I have to say on the subject, although Im sure someone is gonna say Im completely wrong and that Superman has always been a boring story about a dude leaving his ex-girlfriend only to return and find her shacked up with a new guy and raising his bastard son.

SR wasnt a bad movie, it just wasnt a Superman Movie. It was Intergalactic Dawson's Creek. It woulda fit just dandy with the CW's new Fall Line up. Coming soon "Krypton's Creek"

*singing loudly* I dont wanna wait, for our lives to be over...

DUDE, YOU ARE COMPLETE WRONG AND CLEARLY A SINGER HATER!



















Just kidding. t:

Your perfectly articulated how I feel about this movie and about my favorite superhero of all.

Can I get you to post all my opinions for me on the hype?

 

[WormyT]

*singing loudly* I dont wanna wait, for our lives to be over...

t:
Whahahaha!!!!LOL

 

[DarkSuperman]

You know,
for a superhero flick SR lacks SO many kodak moments. This is probably what gave the marketing teams massive head aches. I work as an artist at a company and know first hand how determined marketing are at making the product look the best.
I watched the TV spots and trailers for the Matrix movies the other day.
man, I'm NOT a big matrix fan at all but those movies have SO many kodak moments. SOme fake, some real, but you remember the shots vividly. You can tell the directors are TRYING to wow us. Give us something we've never seen before.


For marketing SR they really had very little to work with. They would have asked Bryan

Marketing:"Ok, thanks for those few airplane scenes, could we get some footage of him fighting some villains?"
Bryan:" He doesn't fight any Supervillains"
Marketing: "WHat!? But theres a villain right?"
Bryan: "Yes, Lex Luthor".
Marketing:" Hmm, thats kind of unoriginal but OK. Could you provide us with footage of Superman Holding Luthor up by the neck and looking pissed?"
Bryan:" No, he doesn't touch Luthor in my script".
Marketing:"What!? Well, could you give us some footage from they're climactic finale where they talk crap to each other for 5 minutes and utter iconic sinister lines of dialogue"
Bryan:"No, Superman only says 2 sentences. They're verbal interaction is about 5 lines of Dialogue".
Marketing:"But...but it's been 20 years...and the audience will have been sitting for over 2 hours. Does Luthor at least unleash some Giants Robots? We could use footage like that for our ad campaigns and TV spots".
Bryan:"No, Theres no Robots, Supermans got no dialogue, the only thing I can give you is shots of Luthor Stabbing Superman with Kryptonite."
Marketing:"Huh? But how can that be? doesn't he lift a continent of krptonite into space in the lackluster finale?
Bryan:" Thats because he rises into the sky like God with sunshine healing him. He then flies back through the clouds like the lord jesus Christ. I also like how I have him stabbed in the waist like when jesus was speared on the cross after his death. I wanted to have water pour out of his waist wound but Richard Donner talked me out of it saying to 'take it easy' with the biblical references. I'm gonna add it onto the super edition DVD next year anyway."
Marketing" You know, it's going to be really hard to sell this movie Bryan. We at the marketing department have very little to work with. I mean, the airplane rescue is thrilling but thats about it for the action so we can't show too much of THAT in the marketing, but then you leave us with shots of him flying with tears in his eyes, getting stabbed while screaming like a girl and then footage of him saying "it's not easy for me..". Your'e making our job difficult. We can only market this to sensitive women.
Bryan:"Thats not true at all, I'm ALSO going to give you guys footage of a bullet bouncing off his eye and off his chest."
Marketing:"Well I guess thats something but hardly compelling. We belive the world didn't wait 20 years for mediocre rehashed action scenes."

Hahaha, yeah. I love you too.

Bottom line, there's a right and a wrong way to do things. Especially when it comes to Superhero movies. Spiderman with its 180 million budget made almost a billion and Superman Returns barely broke even. Am I saying this proves that film was better than the other? Hell Yes. When I went to see SR there was like 4 people in the theater when I went to see spiderman there was like 30. Thats a big freaking gap, not to mention I saw Spiderman 3 times! I've never seen a movie in the theaters 3 times in my life! But I went to see Spiderman, why? Because it so FAITHFULLU captures the spirit of the character and comics, that I honestly Couldn't believe my eyes. It was like watching magic.

Superman Returns was like watching a 20+ year old Rerun.

 

[WormyT]

I saw Spiderman 3 times! I've never seen a movie in the theaters 3 times in my life! But I went to see Spiderman, why? Because it so FAITHFULLU captures the spirit of the character and comics, that I honest Couldn't believe my eyes. It was like watching magic.

Superman Returns was like watching a 20+ year old Rerun.

I also saw Spiderman 3 times.
Yes, it wasn't that it was perfect, but I loved seeing the book come to life on the screen. Seeing J Jonah. They made a great Spiderman outfit. Guess what, no one cared that the red and blue colors were vibrant, its Spiderman!!
With Superman his suit should also have been brighter. Before it came out (SR) I didn't actually mind HIS suit until I watched the movie and was like "Uch, his cape is like a cheap brown shower curtain you'd find at a cheap motel were motorway prostitutes hang out, and whats with the brown 'S' shield. Looks like a cheap plastic frisbee.
And why in gods name is SUPERman lying in a hospital bed. Thats hardly Super. Spidey stopped a bloody train for gods sake. Spidey got angry, spidey headbutted, kicked. And Peter Parkers a nerd but he was way more of a hero than creepy stalker, cry baby Superman was in SR.

 

[raybia]

I also saw Spiderman 3 times.
Yes, it wasn't that it was perfect, but I loved seeing the book come to life on the screen. Seeing J Jonah. They made a great Spiderman outfit. Guess what, no one cared that the red and blue colors were vibrant, its Spiderman!!
With Superman his suit should also have been brighter. Before it came out (SR) I didn't actually mind HIS suit until I watched the movie and was like "Uch, his cape is like a cheap brown shower curtain you'd find at a cheap motel were motorway prostitutes hang out, and whats with the brown 'S' shield. Looks like a cheap plastic frisbee.
And why in gods name is SUPERman lying in a hospital bed. Thats hardly Super. Spidey stopped a bloody train for gods sake. Spidey got angry, spidey headbutted, kicked. And Peter Parkers a nerd but he was way more of a hero than creepy stalker, cry baby Superman was in SR.

And Spider-man also have actual dialouge! Superman barely spoke! Whats up with that?! The star of the movie had about the same amount of lines as Jimmy Olsen. lame.

 

[DarkSuperman]

I also saw Spiderman 3 times.
Yes, it wasn't that it was perfect, but I loved seeing the book come to life on the screen. Seeing J Jonah. They made a great Spiderman outfit. Guess what, no one cared that the red and blue colors were vibrant, its Spiderman!!
With Superman his suit should also have been brighter. Before it came out (SR) I didn't actually mind HIS suit until I watched the movie and was like "Uch, his cape is like a cheap brown shower curtain you'd find at a cheap motel were motorway prostitutes hang out, and whats with the brown 'S' shield. Looks like a cheap plastic frisbee.
And why in gods name is SUPERman lying in a hospital bed. Thats hardly Super. Spidey stopped a bloody train for gods sake. Spidey got angry, spidey headbutted, kicked. And Peter Parkers a nerd but he was way more of a hero than creepy stalker, cry baby Superman was in SR.

Exactly, I wasn't exactly thrilled about the costume when they released that picture, in fact you could say I was "Underwhelmed" at the sight of it. However, I didnt judge the film until I saw it for myself. Watching Superman returns didnt make me feel the magic and awe a Superhero film should. Spidey "kept it real" baby and for his reward got a fat cheque, a possibly 6 movie deal, multiple award winning video games, and popular action figures. In short...he got paid.

Maybe in another 20+ Years when we get another restart Superman will get a director who will completely understand him likewise and keep it real. Instead of being REAL Lame.