WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[JamalYIgle]

wonderful. just perfect for the teenage soap opera tv series like Smallville & One Tree Hill.

You cannot have a dramatic story without emotional conflict, and Superman Returns is a dramatic story.

 

[superbaby]

You cannot have a dramatic story without emotional conflict, and Superman Returns is a dramatic story.

i'm totally fine with a dramatic story and the donner's references.
i just can't stand all the senseless and awful ideas brought by singer.

pls, why you guys can't see it. he only has twisted and visionlesss ideas for superman. i just hope that someone else would incharge for the script.

 

[Maze]

i'm totally fine with a dramatic story and the donner's references.
i just can't stand all the senseless and awful ideas brought by singer.

pls, why you guys can't see it. he only has twisted and visionlesss ideas for superman. i just hope that someone else would incharge for the script.

Well i can tell you the exact same thing : why can't you see it's a well crafted story?

You see where i'm going? Just give up ..not only this "argument" is going nowhere , but realize that maybe , just maybe that is not just a story for "you".

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

As you're telling Superbaby to give up his vendetta against Superman Returns, shouldn't you give up your constant attempts to get everyone to believe that SR is a great movie, when in their minds it's not, Maze?

 

[Mentok]

my point is why the hell do we need a transitional movie of a 30 years old movi? why didn't he make it his own first??? the reason is very simple. singer has ZERO idea to make the film. that's why he copied scene by scene, dialogue by dialogue from donner's and added his limited imagination on the sequel of the movie.

btw, what do you get from SR? what exactly singer wanna tell in SR that you understand???

No, you really should go back and read your post. Your point was that I had bought an excuse for the film being the way it was.

The mistake you made was assuming the film needs an excuse.



Too bad you cant accept the fact Singer wanted an end to the Donnner Universe (Something Donner himself agreed on) and a start to HIS Superman Universe.

 

[Mentok]

pls, why you guys can't see it. he only has twisted and visionlesss ideas for superman. i just hope that someone else would incharge for the script.

Pitty you are yet to see what his vision for superman actually is

 

[Maze]

As you're telling Superbaby to give up his vendetta against Superman Returns, shouldn't you give up your constant attempts to get everyone to believe that SR is a great movie, when in their minds it's not, Maze?

When? give me a link.

I'm waiting .

But ,i have a feeling you didn't get my message to superbaby.

It suck for you , it suck .Period.Personnaly i love it.

 

[JamalYIgle]

i'm totally fine with a dramatic story and the donner's references.
i just can't stand all the senseless and awful ideas brought by singer.

pls, why you guys can't see it. he only has twisted and visionlesss ideas for superman. i just hope that someone else would incharge for the script.

Perhaps because I don't see it that way. I think it's because his vision of Superman lines up with mine , and I've been a Superman fan for 29 years.

 

[GreenKToo]

I think we all need to move on from S.R. and concentrate on the sequel.Singer is gonna direct it,and nothings gonna change that.Personally I wouldnt have minded a new director,but its not gonna happen.So why dont we wait and see who the villian is, and what the story line is,before crying havoc...

 

[superbaby]

I think we all need to move on from S.R. and concentrate on the sequel.Singer is gonna direct it,and nothings gonna change that.Personally I wouldnt have minded a new director,but its not gonna happen.So why dont we wait and see who the villian is, and what the story line is,before crying havoc...

ya. thats' the only way.
just pretending i'd never watched SR. SR had never been made. and I still could hope and believe in Singer.

 

[superbaby]

I think we all need to move on from S.R. and concentrate on the sequel.Singer is gonna direct it,and nothings gonna change that.Personally I wouldnt have minded a new director,but its not gonna happen.So why dont we wait and see who the villian is, and what the story line is,before crying havoc...

i'm afraid that they are not interested to make a 'traditional' superman movie.

 

[mego joe]

i'm afraid that they are not interested to make a 'traditional' superman movie.

And there in lies the problem.... I don't think Singer believes in the traditional nice guy.

 

[JayKay]

And there in lies the problem.... I don't think Singer believes in the traditional nice guy.

He did a perfectly good job portraying one in SR. I mean, this guy was so completely selfless! He sacrificed his life to save Metropolis. He is willing to let his son not know he is his father to maintain his happyness. He is happy to see Lois with Richard once he sees how much they love each other.

Superman was a pretty nice guy in SR.

 

[mego joe]

He did a perfectly good job portraying one in SR. I mean, this guy was so completely selfless! He sacrificed his life to save Metropolis. He is willing to let his son not know he is his father to maintain his happyness. He is happy to see Lois with Richard once he sees how much they love each other.

Superman was a pretty nice guy in SR.

Not much sense in responding to a banned user, but I can't resist.

Superman not a nice guy in SR b/c

...got LOis pregnant and left town w/o telling her.

of, if you lke

...was involved in a sexual relationship w/ Lois and left town w/o telling her. "I know that's how women like to be treated."

Brought child into the world who will now have serious issues and probably therapy b/c Superman was 'a nice guy.'

Facilitated Luthor's release from prison b/c SUperman's a 'nice guy.'

 

[JamalYIgle]

Not much sense in responding to a banned user, but I can't resist.

Superman not a nice guy in SR b/c

...got LOis pregnant and left town w/o telling her.

Didn't Know she was pregnant, She ddidn't know it was his child.

of, if you lke

...was involved in a sexual relationship w/ Lois and left town w/o telling her. "I know that's how women like to be treated."

Relationships end, sometimes you don't officially break, things just fade.

Brought child into the world who will now have serious issues and probably therapy b/c Superman was 'a nice guy.'

highly doubtful since he lives in a happy home and when the time comes, they'll find a way for Superman to be a major part of his life.

Facilitated Luthor's release from prison b/c SUperman's a 'nice guy.'

It took four years of appeals, that's not facilitating a release. he was off world and out of contact.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Then who did she think was the kids father ? and even if they had grown apart she was his best friend,you don't just leave without saying why or bye
I don't get why every facet of this movie needs to be defended even when it's clearly flawed,i enjoyed it a lot but come on

 

[Maze]

you don't just leave without saying why or bye
I don't get why every facet of this movie needs to be defended even when it's clearly flawed,i enjoyed it a lot but come on

Hi hunter rider

You're right , you don't leave without saying good bye. i would not do that ( i think) you would not do that (i suppose) but who's to say that in some circumstance with a different background we would not do it?

everything in this movie has not to be defended Hunter. but everything has not to be attacked either :especially there just because some people just can't imagine that Superman could not do a mistake in a certain emotionnal spirit .(that i can easily imagine )

 

[The Kid]

How many months has it been guys... this horse is officially fossilized.

 

[Maze]

How many months has it been guys... this horse is officially fossilized.

Well, i agree .

we can move on Sr2 now ? (and your probable numerous complain ? t: )

 

[The Kid]

We'll see how things go...

 

[Maze]

That i like too t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

Hi hunter rider

You're right , you don't leave without saying good bye. i would not do that ( i think) you would not do that (i suppose) but who's to say that in some circumstance with a different background we would not do it?

everything in this movie has not to be defended Hunter. but everything has not to be attacked either :especially there just because some people just can't imagine that Superman could not do a mistake in a certain emotionnal spirit .(that i can easily imagine )

Hey Maze

To me it comes down to characterization,As you say neither you or i would have left without saying goodbye and letting the person we cared so much about know and Superman is supposed to be an example of integrity plus his only excuse was "it was to hard for him" which is just poor characterization

 

[Maze]

Well, i understand that . but for me being an example of intergrity doesnt' mean that you can't do mistakes in having a depression : i've never been adopted , but i heard and read a lot of similar situation.. and the people in question had a a good and responsible education.

 

[Maze]

That said i will leave it at that .don't take it the wrong way Hunter , but i've done this debate for month ,and i understand that for some what 's happened in Sr is impossible and intolerable.

We will never agree , that's all

I think it's time to move on

 

[Hunter Rider]

Fair enough Maze i can respect that and yes it has been done to death i agree