WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[raybia]

I'm the same Spirited Away as the one on Coming Soon, you have to be seriously thick to not get the hint.

There's not going to be an all-new Superman movie. It's not even on the internal database we use for licensing.

The ONLY active Superman-related projects (in development, pre-production, production and post) are five WB Premier titles (all animated) and Smallville. I'm 100% certain there's no Superman in Green Lantern either, as its not included in the licensing profile.

Good-day.

Yeah, Superman in a live action movie is done for awhile. Maybe its for the best to get some distance between SR and all of the legal matters.

2020 might be a good time for a new one.

 

[Spirited Away]

Professional opinion: if you want to see a Superman movie sooner than 2020, I'd consider starting to watch Smallville, or at least the TV movie. Why? Here's a little known fact:

WBTV (Warner Bros. Television) is treated as a separate company to Warner Bros. Pictures (the movie production arm), and despite sharing resources such as studio space and staff, both are treated as separate entities. This is because WBTV was originally considered a failure, and Time Warner wanted to ensure it could be sold at any time without hassle.

As such, WBTV has to pay a licensing fee -- as if it was a third-party studio like FOX or Disney -- for the rights to Superman and the DC Universe, which is pays to both the movie studio and DC Comics. This license fee is how the show's able to "selectively steal" copyrighted material from the movies and comics without landing in trouble.

Anyway, the point is this: WBTV pays for the outright rights to Superman and the DC Universe. That includes television (which it gives to The CW Network), DVD/Blu-ray (which is gives to Warner Bros. Home Video), merchandise and publishing (which it gives to Titan Books), and most importantly, movie rights (which WBTV appear to have kept for themselves, or in-partnership with The CW).

And because this long-term continuing deal was made prior to the lawsuit, regardless of whoever ends up with the rights to the Superman franchise, the deal has to be upheld, because WBTV is officially a separate, self-sufficient company that made a legally binding contract for the Superman I.P.

So, if you want a Superman movie sooner rather than later, and don't want to wait for Warner Bros. Pictures (who seem to want to "ride" the lawsuit out until the Heirs give in and sell their rights), then WBTV/CW is your only choice. If WBTV/CW want to make a Smallville movie, whether it be theatrical, for TV or on DVD, they are legally allowed to do it. They've already proven they have this power with 'Absolute Justice'.

And as WBTV/CW would be the producers, and Warner Bros. Pictures only the distributors, the Heirs have no legal rights to intervene either. (The lawsuit only considers future deals WB makes regarding production, not distribution.)

 

[raybia]

Professional opinion: if you want to see a Superman movie sooner than 2020, I'd consider starting to watch Smallville, or at least the TV movie. Why? Here's a little known fact:

WBTV (Warner Bros. Television) is treated as a separate company to Warner Bros. Pictures (the movie production arm), and despite sharing resources such as studio space and staff, both are treated as separate entities. This is because WBTV was originally considered a failure, and Time Warner wanted to ensure it could be sold at any time without hassle.

As such, WBTV has to pay a licensing fee -- as if it was a third-party studio like FOX or Disney -- for the rights to Superman and the DC Universe, which is pays to both the movie studio and DC Comics. This license fee is how the show's able to "selectively steal" copyrighted material from the movies and comics without landing in trouble.

Anyway, the point is this: WBTV pays for the outright rights to Superman and the DC Universe. That includes television (which it gives to The CW Network), DVD/Blu-ray (which is gives to Warner Bros. Home Video), merchandise and publishing (which it gives to Titan Books), and most importantly, movie rights (which WBTV appear to have kept for themselves, or in-partnership with The CW).

And because this long-term continuing deal was made prior to the lawsuit, regardless of whoever ends up with the rights to the Superman franchise, the deal has to be upheld, because WBTV is officially a separate, self-sufficient company that made a legally binding contract for the Superman I.P.

So, if you want a Superman movie sooner rather than later, and don't want to wait for Warner Bros. Pictures (who seem to want to "ride" the lawsuit out until the Heirs give in and sell their rights), then WBTV/CW is your only choice. If WBTV/CW want to make a Smallville movie, whether it be theatrical, for TV or on DVD, they are legally allowed to do it. They've already proven they have this power with 'Absolute Justice'.

And as WBTV/CW would be the producers, and Warner Bros. Pictures only the distributors, the Heirs have no legal rights to intervene either. (The lawsuit only considers future deals WB makes regarding production, not distribution.)

I agree that for anyone desperate to see a new Superman movie, this would be the way to go but for anyone desperate to see a quality Superman movie on par with the original or better, then we are going to have wait for awhile. But if you are a fanboy of comic book movies then the outlook of quality movies over the next 5 years should keep us somewhat satisfied.

I'm for one am geeked about Green Lantern headed by one of my fav directors Martin Campbell.

 

[solidsnake86]

Professional opinion: if you want to see a Superman movie sooner than 2020, I'd consider starting to watch Smallville, or at least the TV movie. Why? Here's a little known fact:

WBTV (Warner Bros. Television) is treated as a separate company to Warner Bros. Pictures (the movie production arm), and despite sharing resources such as studio space and staff, both are treated as separate entities. This is because WBTV was originally considered a failure, and Time Warner wanted to ensure it could be sold at any time without hassle.

As such, WBTV has to pay a licensing fee -- as if it was a third-party studio like FOX or Disney -- for the rights to Superman and the DC Universe, which is pays to both the movie studio and DC Comics. This license fee is how the show's able to "selectively steal" copyrighted material from the movies and comics without landing in trouble.

Anyway, the point is this: WBTV pays for the outright rights to Superman and the DC Universe. That includes television (which it gives to The CW Network), DVD/Blu-ray (which is gives to Warner Bros. Home Video), merchandise and publishing (which it gives to Titan Books), and most importantly, movie rights (which WBTV appear to have kept for themselves, or in-partnership with The CW).

And because this long-term continuing deal was made prior to the lawsuit, regardless of whoever ends up with the rights to the Superman franchise, the deal has to be upheld, because WBTV is officially a separate, self-sufficient company that made a legally binding contract for the Superman I.P.

So, if you want a Superman movie sooner rather than later, and don't want to wait for Warner Bros. Pictures (who seem to want to "ride" the lawsuit out until the Heirs give in and sell their rights), then WBTV/CW is your only choice. If WBTV/CW want to make a Smallville movie, whether it be theatrical, for TV or on DVD, they are legally allowed to do it. They've already proven they have this power with 'Absolute Justice'.

And as WBTV/CW would be the producers, and Warner Bros. Pictures only the distributors, the Heirs have no legal rights to intervene either. (The lawsuit only considers future deals WB makes regarding production, not distribution.)

So what I get from this is that they can make a tv movie about superman, which again belongs in the smallville forum. I highly doubt they would be able to make an actual theatrical movie because they paid for the rights for tv (key word, tv). If they're 2 separate companies dont you think the movie division would have the common sense not to let this happen for the simple fact that they would loose money, 1, and 2 they could have potentially put a smallville movie into production at the same time as SR without WB's movie sector being able to stop it.

 

[Spirited Away]

Er, no. Time Warner profits regardless of which arm makes the actual film. And of course there's likely a clause that would prevent two movies being made at the same time - WB Pictures would simply refuse to distribute it. Would they refuse to distribute a Smallville movie in 2011? No, because they don't have anything else conflicting with such a project.

No more Smallville discussion from me here-on-out.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

If you keep saying they're going to make a Smallville movie, you think that means it will happen one day? It won't. Been explained multiple times. Its apples and oranges. Never gonna happen.

 

[raybia]

Er, no. Time Warner profits regardless of which arm makes the actual film. And of course there's likely a clause that would prevent two movies being made at the same time - WB Pictures would simply refuse to distribute it. Would they refuse to distribute a Smallville movie in 2011? No, because they don't have anything else conflicting with such a project.

No more Smallville discussion from me here-on-out.

Thanks for your comments. Very informative.

 

[AgentPat]

There is a difference between something that is "interesting" and something that is good. Why would I want to see a movie set a thousand years in the past on Krypton?

I dunno, but a one liner for a film like "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" has promise, doncha think?

...if you want to keep making claims then provide evidence, but you're not doing it here because this section has nothing to do with Smallville. This is the end of the Smallville discussion in this thread.

Fine. Taking this post and others to the SV forum. Ratings thread.

PS: You're wrong.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

No. Actually, he's not wrong. You just don't like it.

 

[Showtime]

I dunno, but a one liner for a film like "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" has promise, doncha think?

Fine. Taking this post and others to the SV forum. Ratings thread.

PS: You're wrong.

Numbers don't lie Pat, even if you wish they did.

You won't find me in that section, where if you're not 100% positive about the show you are "wrong".

 

[C. Lee]

this section has nothing to do with Smallville. This is the end of the Smallville discussion in this thread. If you want to continue it, you can have some time off. If I'm not around, C. Lee would be glad to make that possible.

Read the above quote....

I'd consider starting to watch Smallville, or at least the TV movie.

If WBTV/CW want to make a Smallville movie,

which again belongs in the smallville forum.

Would they refuse to distribute a Smallville movie in 2011?

No more Smallville discussion from me here-on-out.

If you keep saying they're going to make a Smallville movie,

You guys mention Smallville in here again and it's probation.

I'm the same Spirited Away as the one on Coming Soon, you have to be seriously thick to not get the hint.

I sure as hell hope you didn't think you were talking to me there bud....I don't go to Coming Soon and even if I did, saying you were a poster there wouldn't impress me in the slightest.....you get the hint?

 

[Showtime]

I'm the same Spirited Away as the one on Coming Soon, you have to be seriously thick to not get the hint.

There's not going to be an all-new Superman movie. It's not even on the internal database we use for licensing.

The ONLY active Superman-related projects (in development, pre-production, production and post) are five WB Premier titles (all animated) and Smallville. I'm 100% certain there's no Superman in Green Lantern either, as its not included in the licensing profile.

Good-day.

Professional opinion: if you want to see a Superman movie sooner than 2020, I'd consider starting to watch Smallville, or at least the TV movie. Why? Here's a little known fact:

WBTV (Warner Bros. Television) is treated as a separate company to Warner Bros. Pictures (the movie production arm), and despite sharing resources such as studio space and staff, both are treated as separate entities. This is because WBTV was originally considered a failure, and Time Warner wanted to ensure it could be sold at any time without hassle.

As such, WBTV has to pay a licensing fee -- as if it was a third-party studio like FOX or Disney -- for the rights to Superman and the DC Universe, which is pays to both the movie studio and DC Comics. This license fee is how the show's able to "selectively steal" copyrighted material from the movies and comics without landing in trouble.

Anyway, the point is this: WBTV pays for the outright rights to Superman and the DC Universe. That includes television (which it gives to The CW Network), DVD/Blu-ray (which is gives to Warner Bros. Home Video), merchandise and publishing (which it gives to Titan Books), and most importantly, movie rights (which WBTV appear to have kept for themselves, or in-partnership with The CW).

And because this long-term continuing deal was made prior to the lawsuit, regardless of whoever ends up with the rights to the Superman franchise, the deal has to be upheld, because WBTV is officially a separate, self-sufficient company that made a legally binding contract for the Superman I.P.

So, if you want a Superman movie sooner rather than later, and don't want to wait for Warner Bros. Pictures (who seem to want to "ride" the lawsuit out until the Heirs give in and sell their rights), then WBTV/CW is your only choice. If WBTV/CW want to make a Smallville movie, whether it be theatrical, for TV or on DVD, they are legally allowed to do it. They've already proven they have this power with 'Absolute Justice'.

And as WBTV/CW would be the producers, and Warner Bros. Pictures only the distributors, the Heirs have no legal rights to intervene either. (The lawsuit only considers future deals WB makes regarding production, not distribution.)

Er, no. Time Warner profits regardless of which arm makes the actual film. And of course there's likely a clause that would prevent two movies being made at the same time - WB Pictures would simply refuse to distribute it. Would they refuse to distribute a Smallville movie in 2011? No, because they don't have anything else conflicting with such a project.

No more Smallville discussion from me here-on-out.

I told you twice no more Smallville talk, another Mod also chimed in. Enjoy a couple days off.

 

[Lighthouse]

So, about that Doc Savage movie.....

 

[C. Lee]

So, about that Doc Savage movie.....

The original Superman.....would love to see a decent pic made of his adventures.

 

[Webhead2006]

the villain superman siegel/shuster first made c. lee?

 

[C. Lee]

the villain superman siegel/shuster first made c. lee?

Nope.

Doc was created in 1933....Superman 1938

Clark "Doc" Savage jr.

Nickname - The Man of Bronze

Referred to as "A Superman" for his incredible strength, speed, intelligence, etc....

Had a Fortress of Solitude in the Arctic Circle

Was a world travelling adventurer. He's my avatar.

 

[Webhead2006]

oh ok i was just double checking if your were talking of doc savage or that villain superman siegel/shuster first was pitching around in early 30s that didnt take.

 

[GreenKToo]

I wonder if the so called Superman cameo in GL will still happen. Thats kinda sad seeing as how it may be our only Superman on film fix for a long while.

 

[BestGirl]

I wonder if the so called Superman cameo in GL will still happen. Thats kinda sad seeing as how it may be our only Superman on film fix for a long while.

If it did, would it matter? Whoever plays Clark isn't likely to play Supes on the big screen.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Nope.

Doc was created in 1933....Superman 1938

Clark "Doc" Savage jr.

Nickname - The Man of Bronze

Referred to as "A Superman" for his incredible strength, speed, intelligence, etc....

Had a Fortress of Solitude in the Arctic Circle

Was a world travelling adventurer. He's my avatar.

Awesome!...So did he have super human abilities bascially or was just a olympic like person similar to how Batman is?

 

[DavidTyler]

Awesome!...So did he have super human abilities bascially or was just a olympic like person similar to how Batman is?

His father trained him from early childhood to be the perfect physical and mental specimen so I guess you could more closely compare him to Batman.

And, to go even further, he had a unique cast of supporting characters ... think Newsboy Legion as adults. My favourite was Monk. He was a thick bodied, ape-like guy with a pet pig and a genious in his area ... as were all of the people in Doc's little group.

I discovered him when one of the two companies started doing a comics version. I remember some great art from Gil Kane on the series.

He was also the inspiration for the Peter Weller film "Buckaroo Bonzai"

 

[solidsnake86]

I wonder if the so called Superman cameo in GL will still happen. Thats kinda sad seeing as how it may be our only Superman on film fix for a long while.

I think we'll still see the clark kent cameo, only it will be a shot of a torso sitting at a desk and probably name tag saying clark kent with the rings flying by. This way they avoid having to show the face. It would make the most sense of still keeping it if they really wanted too.

 

[Webhead2006]

is Doc savage film moving i remember reading a week or two ago there was new talks of one? I would def be interested in seeing that happen.

As for the clark kent cameo i would think with all the issues right now its likely not going to be there. Heck we dont know how much the script has changed over the months. Though it would be cool if its there. But since superman we know is doubtful to be happening any time soon. It would be stupid move to put a clark kent in the film when a new film for the character isnt likely to be around for years.

 

[Lighthouse]

Awesome!...So did he have super human abilities bascially or was just a olympic like person similar to how Batman is?

Ironically, the closest Doc Savage adaptiation is the movie Twins. You might recognize the parodied version of Doc Savage in Doctor Jonas Venture in the Venture Brothers.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Ironically, the closest Doc Savage adaptiation is the movie Twins. You might recognize the parodied version of Doc Savage in Doctor Jonas Venture in the Venture Brothers.

That comedy movie with Danny Devto and Arnold Schwarzenegger?