WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[Showtime]

Where are these Spiderman numbers coming from? I didn't see any quotes that pointed to WB expecting Spiderman numbers? Anybody have them?

I have quotes pointing to 500 Million WW?

 

[superbaby]

Where are these Spiderman numbers coming from? I didn't see any quotes that pointed to WB expecting Spiderman numbers? Anybody have them?

I have quotes pointing to 500 Million WW?

they said it publicly $500 million, which means their minumum expectation. they thought SR could at least do that figure.

 

[Excel]

Horn himself has said he thought the "minmum was 500 million". They also said they would be pleased with "just 120 million opening week" prior to its opening. It did 108.

SUPERMAN RETURNS definitely didn't perform as well as WB had hoped, but as we've seen, WB had some fairly ridiculous expectations. That alone is not enough to say it "underperformed".

250 million in the states is far from ridiculous when your budgets 200 million.

 

[superbaby]

Singer was not signed to any type of deal to do a sequel before the release, you are talking about the actors.

is it???
so they signed him up... and no news afterward for 2 years and more years to come...

stupid as always... my dear WB. ha. t:

 

[I Am The Knight]

is it???
so they signed him up... and no news afterward for 2 years and more years to come...

stupid as always... my dear WB. ha. t:

Again...Singer decided to go with Valkyrie before the SR sequel and has been working on it for pretty much the entirety of last year and this year. He now seems to be in the very early stages of pre production for MOS...They signed him up for a "pay or play" contract to direct an SR sequel in October 2006, wich was, you know, AFTER SR had been released for a good 4 or 5 months. What part of that do you not get? Did you just need to post something?

Oblivious as always... my dear superbaby. ha.

 

[buggs0268]

The movie was expected by WB top brass to make somewhere in the vicinity of SPIDER-MAN numbers. They wanted 6-700 million dollars worldwide. Given the film they greenlit and made (a decidedly more serious, adult, and risky version of Superman) their expectations were ridiculous.



They invested $200 million dollars, not counting their failed SUPERMAN LIVES stuff or the marketing costs. High expectations for a movie are one thing, if you create a film with extremely broad appeal. SUPERMAN RETURNS was not that kind of a movie. Neither was BATMAN BEGINS. Now, maybe WB SHOULD have made that kind of movie, but expecting MASSIVE returns on the movie they allowed to be made is, again, ridiculous.

I watch SUPERMAN RETURNS and see it as something of a niche film. The built in audience is obvious, but it didn't have a ton of appeal for children and younger teens, who make up a large portion of the SPIDER-MAN, FANTASTIC FOUR and IRON MAN audiences.

Superman Returns was not made to be a niche film. It was made to be a summer blockbuster. It was called by the studio "their tentpole film" A tentpole film is made to make enough money to pay for all of the films the studio lost money on in the year. That is what the term "tentpole film means" When it did not become anything of a tentpole, and make the 600 mill Spidey numbers, there went all that money there were counting on. There went ragging rights. There went showing off to the stockholders at the yearly meeting that they have to answer to. So you may see it as a niche film, but Superman Returns was meant to be a blockbuster film. They just signed away too much control to Singer.

 

[buggs0268]

Where are these Spiderman numbers coming from? I didn't see any quotes that pointed to WB expecting Spiderman numbers? Anybody have them?

I have quotes pointing to 500 Million WW?

The 500 million was after it only hit the 370's or 380's mark WW. When they were at Caans and the media was noticing not a big presence for SR exceprt for a few banners and talked to the WB guys about why so little, the WB guys said something like "we don't need to. This film is going to be huge this summer". The WB thought it was going to be big and they were expecting Spidey numbers.

 

[dark_b]

The movie was expected by WB top brass to make somewhere in the vicinity of SPIDER-MAN numbers. They wanted 6-700 million dollars worldwide. Given the film they greenlit and made (a decidedly more serious, adult, and risky version of Superman) their expectations were ridiculous.



They invested $200 million dollars, not counting their failed SUPERMAN LIVES stuff or the marketing costs. High expectations for a movie are one thing, if you create a film with extremely broad appeal. SUPERMAN RETURNS was not that kind of a movie. Neither was BATMAN BEGINS. Now, maybe WB SHOULD have made that kind of movie, but expecting MASSIVE returns on the movie they allowed to be made is, again, ridiculous.

I watch SUPERMAN RETURNS and see it as something of a niche film. The built in audience is obvious, but it didn't have a ton of appeal for children and younger teens, who make up a large portion of the SPIDER-MAN, FANTASTIC FOUR and IRON MAN audiences.

perfect post.
its WB fault. they spend 200 milions and they were the ones who greenlighted SR
SR was not a movie that would make 500 milions. so they are stupidos IMO.

 

[superbaby]

perfect post.
its WB fault. they spend 200 milions and they were the ones who greenlighted SR
SR was not a movie that would make 500 milions. so they are stupidos IMO.

getting confused... so do we want WB to greenlit a superman movie or not???

 

[superbaby]

Again...Singer decided to go with Valkyrie before the SR sequel and has been working on it for pretty much the entirety of last year and this year. He now seems to be in the very early stages of pre production for MOS...They signed him up for a "pay or play" contract to direct an SR sequel in October 2006, wich was, you know, AFTER SR had been released for a good 4 or 5 months. What part of that do you not get? Did you just need to post something?

Oblivious as always... my dear superbaby. ha.

wow, 1 and 1/2 year entirely for Valkyrie!!! that must be pretty good.
how long he spent for SR, 4 months shotting and 4 months post production??? ya, and doing the blog videos too. no wonder the quality is so below bar.

hehe... ya, too free in the office. how? t:

 

[Showtime]

The 500 million was after it only hit the 370's or 380's mark WW. When they were at Caans and the media was noticing not a big presence for SR exceprt for a few banners and talked to the WB guys about why so little, the WB guys said something like "we don't need to. This film is going to be huge this summer". The WB thought it was going to be big and they were expecting Spidey numbers.

WB expecting Spiderman numbers is just speculation, there is no evidence that they were anywhere.

 

[dark_b]

getting confused... so do we want WB to greenlit a superman movie or not???

i want a TF or iron man type of superman movie now.
if you want a groudnbreaking story and grodunbreaking acting then it will again fail.
SR was enough serious for me. i want hte sequel to be more action and humor oriented.

 

[DavidTyler]

Again... I'd be willing to bet that the WB will be watching very closely the numbers from Iron Man, The Dark Knight, and The Incredible Hulk before blundering into the SR sequel.

It's my uneducated guess that they're going to be looking for - maybe not a reboot - but some serious changes in the next Superman film.

If they visit these boards, I'm betting that they're weighing at least some of what's being said here.

 

[Showtime]

They do visit the boards on multiple levels, how much that weighs in is debatable. In regards to waiting, there has been waiting, how much more there will be is also debatable. Wheels have and will be turning even faster as we head towards the end of the month.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

WB expecting Spiderman numbers is just speculation, there is no evidence that they were anywhere.

Agreed.

 

[wellsy]

They do visit the boards on multiple levels, how much that weighs in is debatable. In regards to waiting, there has been waiting, how much more there will be is also debatable. Wheels have and will be turning even faster as we head towards the end of the month.

Oh ho, is that a hint that dances on my screen?

And as for the last three pages... I had a very distinct feeling of deja vu reading it (all of you, in fact, although it was quite a mild dose). SR did what it did. We make what we make of it. Unfortunately, in the dearth of news, it seems we've naught to do but argue about SR.

Oh well, it does help me avoid studying for my maths and physics (oh, bloody hell... ).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Exactly. It's interesting to argue about the same thing over and over again. Seriously I doubt I'll be on here as much if a sequel is greenlit and starts filming...Yeah, I totally doubt it. I'll probably move on to the Iron Man boards.

 

[wellsy]

Doesn't Singer also work as a producer on House MD?

Not to mention I doubt he'd do something half-heartedly (it seems like this project is something he's a bit passionate about). There was the pre-production, principal photography (which has only just wrapped up, IIRC), and now he's up to post production, and so he'll be moving on to MoS rather soon.

 

[GreenKToo]

^Exactly. It's interesting to argue about the same thing over and over again. Seriously I doubt I'll be on here as much if a sequel is greenlit and starts filming...Yeah, I totally doubt it. I'll probably move on to the Iron Man boards.

Singer directing it is not set in stone just yet. But even if he does direct it, I still would be curious to see what he has in mind for it. If I hate the way it goes, then i'll abandon ship.

 

[superbaby]

Singer directing it is not set in stone just yet. But even if he does direct it, I still would be curious to see what he has in mind for it. If I hate the way it goes, then i'll abandon ship.

so in what circumstances, you would abandon the ship?

 

[Slugster]

Again... I'd be willing to bet that the WB will be watching very closely the numbers from Iron Man, The Dark Knight, and The Incredible Hulk before blundering into the SR sequel.

It's my uneducated guess that they're going to be looking for - maybe not a reboot - but some serious changes in the next Superman film.

If they visit these boards, I'm betting that they're weighing at least some of what's being said here.

I agree

 

[Slugster]

Singers Version Of Superman is not what the public is buying.
A select few people maybe, but not the vast majority.
I hope the WB sees and listens, but who knows?
A lot of corp. people tend to be so big headed and book smart, that they have no common sense. Oh and just plain want no body telling them what to do.
When they should be listening to the people who are buying the product.
Its not like they invented Superman.

 

[dark_b]

wow, 1 and 1/2 year entirely for Valkyrie!!! that must be pretty good.
how long he spent for SR, 4 months shotting and 4 months post production??? ya, and doing the blog videos too. no wonder the quality is so below bar.

hehe... ya, too free in the office. how? t:

very funny. very funny

 

[green]

I have to disagree a little with Bosef. I love reading others ideas and treatments and fully support anyone who attempts them. Whether they are good to me or not, creativity or the attempt of it should always be applauded.
The other 90% of what he's saying though I totally agree with.
It's amazingly tiring to come to the MOS forum to read about forward movement, or lack thereof, and have to wade through page upon page of the same ol arguments, most of which dont even belong in this forum. I understand peoples frustrations with SR, it's been two years of reading them. Bosef's got a point though...move on. Look towards the potential of the future not dwelling on the past, you might be a bit happier with the possibilities.
I dont always agree with the way this forum is run, I think staying on topic and not letting every thread devolve into the same thing a good idea but I do have to give kudos to Showtime. I think he's been incredibly patient, level headed and fair through all this.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I have to disagree a little with Bosef. I love reading others ideas and treatments and fully support anyone who attempts them. Whether they are good to me or not, creativity or the attempt of it should always be applauded.
The other 90% of what he's saying though I totally agree with.
It's amazingly tiring to come to the MOS forum to read about forward movement, or lack thereof, and have to wade through page upon page of the same ol arguments, most of which dont even belong in this forum. I understand peoples frustrations with SR, it's been two years of reading them. Bosef's got a point though...move on. Look towards the potential of the future not dwelling on the past, you might be a bit happier with the possibilities.
I dont always agree with the way this forum is run, I think staying on topic and not letting every thread devolve into the same thing a good idea but I do have to give kudos to Showtime. I think he's been incredibly patient, level headed and fair through all this.

I think the problem is that whenever forward movement is mentioned it is either "Singer is coming back" or "reboot" and that brings out the pro and anti crowds, if the reboot is mentioned as the likely direction then the pro SR guys get upset over Singers vision not getting played out, if the news is "Singer is returning" then the anti crowd start worrying they are gonna get more of what they thought was a sub par Superman from a director they don't trust.
I mean even if we get a concrete word on which direction it is going we will see thread with ppl angry and moaning about said direction.