Superman Returns We don't like how this movie is looking (merged)

[C. Lee]

Jingle All the Way is a holiday classic and should be important to everyone. You see, some people only Jingle half the way...and believe it or not...some only Jingle a quarter of the way! That is why the world needs, this movie...so they can learn to JINGLE ALL THE WAY

Matt......this is the SUPERMAN RETURNS forum.

 

[Pickle-El]

RESEARCH before you say something. THE BUDGET for F4 was NOT more than $100 million according to boxofficemojo.

If I WANT i could have gone as far as to say that the budget for F4 is 87.5 million according to the-numbers.com

SO WHICH ONE LOOKS RIGHT TO ME, well boxofficemojo sounds RIGHT.

while according to both the sites BB DID HAVE a $150 million budget which means it grossed LOW and btw anaysts were predicting BB to gross between $250-300 million while they were expecting F4 to do between $80-130 million.

CLEARLY BB underperformed although i will admit it had GREAT legs while F4 had mediocre legs but still did a high number.

The difference is in the word of mouth....Begins KILLLED FF in the DVD race. It made 190$ Million as of last December on that and rentals alone. (It was shown on 05 year end dvd lists)

 

[Pickle-El]

It depends what you consider a flop. Notice how there has yet to be a sequel for The Hulk? It was hardly a flop, but its numbers did not justify the budget. The Wall Street Journal reports SR at 260 million (and thats a pretty credible source)...it will need big numbers to justify that./

Pick the highest number you can find......


Singer himself said, 'Still south of 200 Million after more FX shots'.

 

[Pickle-El]

Theres a difference between an epic battle between Superman and Metallo and Superman throwing a giant floating island into the sun or guiding a plane to the ground.

It's funny how 'downplayed' they sound when you type them out....

'Spiderman stopping a train' doesn't sound too enticing. Yet, I thought it was the most memorable sequence of the series when we all saw Spidey pushed to his absolute limits. Go figure.

 

[Venom71]

Pick the highest number you can find......


Singer himself said, 'Still south of 200 Million after more FX shots'.

Thanks Pickle...I thought when I read Matts post he put a higher number than has been stated for the budget.

 

[DorkyFresh]

'Spiderman stopping a train' doesn't sound too enticing. Yet, I thought it was the most memorable sequence of the series when we all saw Spidey pushed to his absolute limits. Go figure.

you have a point...let's try the 'downplay' tactic with other scenes shall we?

- i don't see what's so special about Bruce Wayne climbing some mountains just to learn some weird martial art...
- so Blade killed 25 vampires within a couple of minutes...big deal!
- all Wolverine did is kill a couple of Striker's men...
- i know Storm made several tornados but that's nothing special...
- Xavier almost killed all the humans in the world, but in the end he really didn't so no biggy...
- how mindblowing could it possibly be to watch Batman drive the Tumbler?

hehe

 

[Junfan]

Junfan, the Hulk is as much, if not more, of a Superhero than Daredevil or Batman.

Fair enough, but I wasn't comparing him to them.

Besides I think you know what I mean.

 

[Atomic Crusader]

Its obvious at this point that "Superman Returns" is a retread of the Donner classic "Superman." There are too many similarities so the whole venture is turning out to be rather anti-climactic. Sure, the film might be ok, but still. It's a shame they didn't go with a total reboot (like the awesome "Batman Begins") and give us something to get pumped about. A serious missed oppurtunity with such incredible source material. SR should be at the top of every one of these lists as THE film to see this summer, but alas, its not.

 

[Vile]

Its obvious at this point that "Superman Returns" is a retread of the Donner classic "Superman." There are too many similarities so the whole venture is turning out to be rather anti-climactic. Sure, the film might be ok, but still. It's a shame they didn't go with a total reboot (like the awesome "Batman Begins") and give us something to get pumped about. A serious missed oppurtunity with such incredible source material. SR should be at the top of every one of these lists as THE film to see this summer, but alas, its not.

Bingo.

 

[Matt]

It's funny how 'downplayed' they sound when you type them out....

'Spiderman stopping a train' doesn't sound too enticing. Yet, I thought it was the most memorable sequence of the series when we all saw Spidey pushed to his absolute limits. Go figure.

Spidey battled Doc Ock during the train sequence. It wasn't just him stopping a train that made it memorable, it was his fight with Octavius.

 

[Matt]

Pick the highest number you can find......


Singer himself said, 'Still south of 200 Million after more FX shots'.

Singer has a motive to lie (to cover his ass)...what motive does the Wall Street Journal have?

 

[Matt]

Matt......this is the SUPERMAN RETURNS forum.

I'm just havin some fun, no harm, no foul

 

[skruloos]

Those are good points too. But that didn't stop people from seeing Spidey 2, Shrek, X-2, Star Wars and few other summer blockbusters over the last couple years did it?

Well, it probably had something to do with the overall box office slump last year. We'll see if the downward trend continues this year.

 

[skruloos]

Your crazy if you think Over The Hedge or X3 will have low numbers.

It depends. Over the Hedge could pull Shrek numbers but it could also pull in Madagascar or Chicken Little numbers. While they weren't necessarily bad, they weren't exactly great either.

X3 will do well. The question is HOW well will it do. If it's a quality product with good word of mouth, it will probably do X2 numbers or better. If it has bad word of mouth...well, then it might do FF numbers. Again, not bad but not the greatest either.

 

[theogt]

Its obvious at this point that "Superman Returns" is a retread of the Donner classic "Superman." There are too many similarities so the whole venture is turning out to be rather anti-climactic. Sure, the film might be ok, but still. It's a shame they didn't go with a total reboot (like the awesome "Batman Begins") and give us something to get pumped about. A serious missed oppurtunity with such incredible source material. SR should be at the top of every one of these lists as THE film to see this summer, but alas, its not.

So, in STM Clark/Superman traveled to Krypton and back, found his girlfriend and mother had found new mates, Lois had a kid, Lex stole Krytonian technology to build a new continent, got stabbed by Lex, threw said continent into space? I'm going to have to rent this movie again, cause I don't remember that stuff.

 

[skruloos]

Spidey battled Doc Ock during the train sequence. It wasn't just him stopping a train that made it memorable, it was his fight with Octavius.

Any fight with Octavius was hardly memorable.

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Any fight with Octavius was hardly memorable.

Hardly is a word you could stretch....

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

So, in STM Clark/Superman traveled to Krypton and back, found his girlfriend and mother had found new mates, Lois had a kid, Lex stole Krytonian technology to build a new continent, got stabbed by Lex, threw said continent into space? I'm going to have to rent this movie again, cause I don't remember that stuff.

yeah... I've never seen all that... maybe we can find those scenes in the special directors-cut version

 

[SuperDaniel]

After reading the spoilers of this movie, the critics are

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

After reading the spoilers of this movie, the critics are

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!

As they most often are. I just hope they realize their mistake before the movie actually hits theatres. The reviews make up for a lot when it comes to enticing the general audience...

 

[Pickle-El]

Singer has a motive to lie (to cover his ass)...what motive does the Wall Street Journal have?

Simple mis-information?

Or, adding previous costs of false start-ups that had nothing to do with the actual production of 'Superman Returns'?

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I'm just havin some fun, no harm, no foul

As are we all...

 

[Cinemaman]

Reasons it can fail:

Overly dramatic story (Ma Kent Dating, Clark/Richard/Lois triangle, etc) can turn of younger audiences

Too much of Donner's movie is a bad thing

Over saturation of the superhero market

Poor advertisment campaign thus far

Nostalgia from Donner movies could turn off audiences to new actors

Too much of Donner film in movie.

Not enough action (Superman vs a floating island...WOW!...I mean...wait...what the ****?)/not the fun popcorn movie people want.

POTC2.

YOU ARE BIG HATER, I hope you can understand it.

 

[Cinemaman]

I think one of the most important facts of that SR will make high numbers is that critics and people dont expect something big from SR.

I think SR will be big sureprise, when it makes more than $300m and get positive reviews.

People have interest about American icon's return in cinematography.

 

[Garzo]

In the end, we can only be sure that most major critics don't have a clue when it comes to forecasts. The first big film opening the summer season -- Mission: Impossible 3," was a disappointment and far below expected gross.

Variety just published a damning review of "The Da Vinci Code," calling it, basically, a bore. That film was expected to really take the cake. Sounds like it might end up getting seriously bad word of mouth.

Let's not even mention "Poseidon."

And "X Men 3" might be the weakest in the series -- a 90-minute spectacle that is sure to disappoint its core fans. (At least "Superman Returns" doesn't massacre Perry, Lois and Jimmy.)

Considering a lot of big tentpoles have gone limp, I'd say "Superman Returns" has a pretty good chance, especially since it will appeal to a very broad range of viewers.