Well....Shawn Levy is Directing the Flash

[jaguarr]

Like I said, people were saying the same things about Batman. We won't know till we see the film.

Maybe you won't know until you see the film, but I have a pretty good idea how this is going to turn out already.

jag

 

[souloffire]

Maybe you won't know until you see the film, but I have a pretty good idea how this is going to turn out already.

jag

Well you are the expert on his movies, I take it you seen them all since you stated how bad they are. I guess "The Flash" will be no different and you will go see it despite how bad it is.

 

[jaguarr]

Well you are the expert on his movies, I take it you seen them all since you stated how bad they are. I guess "The Flash" will be no different and you will go see it despite how bad it is.

jag

 

[souloffire]

 

[jaguarr]

jag

 

[souloffire]

Oh yeah well take that t: and that and for no apparent reason that.

 

[jaguarr]

Oh yeah well take that t: and that and for no apparent reason that.

*sigh* I'm afraid you leave me no choice:





I say good day to you, sir! Good day!

jag

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm just going to take a wait and see attitude because Goyer was honestly a bad choice for a director in the genre (see Blade 3), this guy has never done this genre before so maybe he'll surprise.

 

[souloffire]

*sigh* I'm afraid you leave me no choice:





I say good day to you, sir! Good day!

jag

Nice try Jag but my beats you're with prep time.

 

[Chuck Norris x2]

Wow, bad choice.

 

[jaguarr]

Nice try Jag but my beats you're with prep time.

jag

 

[Savage]

Then your considerations are wrong. They are a part of those legacies, whether you think so or not. Jay especially. Go pick up an issue of The Flash and see for yourself.


Yeah, I mean, it's not like Jay Garrick has been a consistant supporting character in "The Flash" for years... oh, wait.


Incorrect. The source of Alan's power, the Starheart, was assembled by the Oans (thank you, retcons). There is also a connection to an ancient member of the Corps, but I can't remember exactly what it was.


So? That's twenty-one years--only nine short of Barry's run as the Flash, and one longer than Wally's. Let's be realistic here: this has nothing to do with the beginning of the legacy. You just don't want him in the film. I don't either, but at least I'm not dishing out faulty arguments as to why.

I couldn't care less if he was in the movie or not. But what purpose will he serve? "Hey, we have the same name! Not sure I'm a fan of the costume though. Sure you wouldn't like a shiney helmet instead?".

Stop assuming you know what I want.

 

[Savage]

Let's take a look at Jay Garrick's connection to the other Flashes courtesy of wikipedia. Here are the only references I could find with even the NAMES of the other Flashes.

"After eating lunch with Wally West and Nightwing (Dick Grayson) in one issue of The Flash, Grayson remarks that he "wants to be like [Garrick] when he grows up".

"Jay and his wife Joan currently have guardianship of Bart Allen after Max Mercury's disappearance. During the events of Infinite Crisis Jay states that the Speed Force is gone after a battle in which many speedsters, living and dead, wrestle Superboy-Prime into the Speed Force and disappear. Jay is left behind when he reaches his limit and cannot follow. Bart Allen returns, aged several years, and had absorbed the entire Speed Force during his pursuit of the escaped Superboy-Prime. Jay claims that without the Speed Force, his own power is less than before: like Wally West in the Crisis on Infinite Earths aftermath, he can only run close to the speed of sound. He also stated that as the Speed Force is no longer ******ing his aging, his speed is diminishing with time. After Bart left Keystone City for Los Angeles, Jay once again is the city's sole guardian."

"As the Flash, Jay can run and move his limbs at superhuman speeds, and possesses superhuman reflexes. He also has an aura that prevents air friction from affecting his body and clothes while moving. Unlike Barry, Jay is a metahuman and while he has a connection to the Speed Force, it was on the level of the other Flashes. Jay possesses the ability to 'steal speed' from other speedsters. Since the Speed Force disappeared following Infinite Crisis, Jay's top speed is the speed of sound." (therefor showing not even the Speed Force is a total connection considering it simply boosts the powers he already has)

What's funny is in Barry and Wally's bios on wiki, there's barely any mention of him and when there is it's things like getting his leg broken by Zoom. Jay Garrick is basicly a friend of The Flashes. There's no real connection besides the name and powers. They have something in common. That's their biiiig connection. As much as I could get. I'm gonna go check out DCUguide.com as well.

I'm going to check out Alan Scott and the GLs too just for the hell of it.

EDIT: More on the Flash connection according to dcuguide.com

"Jay and the new Flash, Barry Allen, began a friendship that lasted until Barry's death during The Crisis."

"also being very fond of the current Flash, Wally West and his new wife Linda Park. Jay remains active as a hero and charter member of the new JSA. He is also mentoring Kid Flash, the young speedster following in the footsteps of Wally West."

This guy has so little to do with the other Flashes that he might as well have had a different name altogether.

 

[Spoon Tang]

He's directing the Flash. Oh man, allow me to wire up my body to this cat statue, which will disembowl me.

I know he's a light-hearted hero but GEEZ!

 

[Saint]

I couldn't care less if he was in the movie or not. But what purpose will he serve? "Hey, we have the same name! Not sure I'm a fan of the costume though. Sure you wouldn't like a shiney helmet instead?".

The purpose doesn't matter. I never said he could serve any purpose (though he has in the Flash comics for years, and thus could in the film). I'm only poking holes in your silly argument that Barry should come first because you want them to start at the beginning. Barry isn't the beginning, so that argument for his use is stupid. That's all.

What's funny is in Barry and Wally's bios on wiki, there's barely any mention of him and when there is it's things like getting his leg broken by Zoom. Jay Garrick is basicly a friend of The Flashes. There's no real connection besides the name and powers. They have something in common. That's their biiiig connection. As much as I could get. I'm gonna go check out DCUguide.com as well.
This guy has so little to do with the other Flashes that he might as well have had a different name altogether.

The connection is that he's a supporting character, and a part of their lives. Maybe you should close Wiki and go buy a comic book. He's a part of that family of characters, much like Max Mercury or Jesse Quick, except more so. He's been a mentor to Wally, a partner, and basically a member of the family. You might as well say Alfred has nothing to do with Batman because they have no direct connection (secret hint: Jay is guardian to Bart, like Alfred was guardian to Bruce).

 

[Savage]

Yes he's related to them now but you might as well consider this guy as part of the Ghost Rider legacy if you're using that argument.

Oh and of course here comes Daredevil: The Man Without Fear.

 

[Saint]

Yes he's related to them now but you might as well consider this guy as part of the Ghost Rider legacy if you're using that argument.

Oh and of course here comes Daredevil: The Man Without Fear.

You could not have concocted a worse analogy. Amusingly, I would agree with your point if the relationship between those character's and their counterparts was the same as the relationship between Jay, Barry, Bart and Wally. However, as I have been explaining--despite your dedication to ignorance-- the relationship is not the same. As I said earlier, perhaps you should go pick up an issue of The Flash and see for yourself. Or, just re-read my previous post, take my word for it, and save yourself some money.

 

[Savage]

Alright man. This seems to be taking us nowhere so I'll just take your word. You read the Flash. I don't. All I got are 3 trades and a few Justice League trades. I can't claim to know more than you do. I'm just calling it as I see it and the way I see it is I can link every "legacy" character to their predecessor but linking Barry to Jay and Hal to Alan just gives me a huge question mark.

I think the analogy works pretty well thank you very much because the only connection you're giving me as that these guys hang out together. Jay takes care of Bart. Whoop dee doo. What a legacy.

 

[tallsy_1]

I think they will only have one Flash. The general belief amongst studio executives is that audiences are morons and need to be spoon fed stuff. The determination will be made who is more marketable Barry or Wally. Admittedly, I have limited knowledge but I think Wally is more marketable.

 

[Saint]

Alright man. This seems to be taking us nowhere so I'll just take your word. You read the Flash. I don't. All I got are 3 trades and a few Justice League trades. I can't claim to know more than you do. I'm just calling it as I see it and the way I see it is I can link every "legacy" character to their predecessor but linking Barry to Jay and Hal to Alan just gives me a huge question mark.

I think the analogy works pretty well thank you very much because the only connection you're giving me as that these guys hang out together. Jay takes care of Bart. Whoop dee doo. What a legacy.

Yeah, the connection between Ghost Rider and that western hero who was dead long before Johnny Blaze was even born and Ghost Rider is really the same as a "member of the family" connection to the man who inspired Barry Allen to become the Flash, and who has been a supporting character in The Flash for years. Yep, exactly the same. Flawless logic.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, the connection between Ghost Rider and that western hero who was dead long before Johnny Blaze was even born and Ghost Rider is really the same as a "member of the family" connection to the man who inspired Barry Allen to become the Flash, and who has been a supporting character in The Flash for years. Yep, exactly the same. Flawless logic.

He inspired Barry Allen? See now I thought that was a coincidence like the Daredevil thing (hence why I brought that up). You could not have said this before whyyyy?

 

[Saint]

He inspired Barry Allen? See now I thought that was a coincidence like the Daredevil thing (hence why I brought that up). You could not have said this before whyyyy?

Because it's been said a dozen times already. It's common knowledge.

 

[Savage]

Well I didn't see it mentioned in this thread and I don't think it's common knowledge that Barry found inspiration from Jay Garrick. If it was common knowledge, it would be mentioned in just about every Barry Allen bio one can find. I mean this is a pretty important detail. Maybe it's common knowledge to DC fans but this is a guy that just buys a DC trade every once in a while when he finds one that interests him.

Not gonna turn this into an argument too, though. I concede your point. I just assumed Barry came up with The Flash all on his lonesome.

 

[Katsuro]

Because he was the first Flash?
Just a wild guess...

Funny, I straight up capitalize the word "how", and you answer the question as a "why". My question was, if you put Jay Garrick in a movie with the other Flashes, how the hell do you connect the characters? Can someone very briefly summarize that for me? How do you make him relative to the story?

I mean, let's say you start with Wally. It's very simple to explain Barry coming before him. Barry was his uncle, Wally got the same powers from the same accident repeated (although that's kinda hokey, that could be changed), and Wally was Barry's sidekick for a while. Barry dies, Wally takes up the mantle. It makes sense, and works as a story.

How do you do that for Jay? I'm genuinley asking here. If you were to make the very first Flash film starring either Barry Allen or Wally West, and you were making a movie for the general audience, who knowns nothing of the Flash, how would Jay fit into that? I mean, if anything i'd give Jay a "cameo" as a fictional comic book character, like he originally was on Earth-One. He gets his powers, remembers the comics he read as a kid, and picks the name Flash.

 

[Steelsheen]

Copyright theft anyone? unless Goyer agrees for them to use his ideas.

the info i mentioned came from a Goyer interview, so i'm pretty sure he's aware of what they're intentions are. its pretty common practice to use previous scripts as a jumping board of new ones anyway.