We've seen two trailers. So what don't you like about this series?

[TheVileOne]

Granted iamlegend. I think JLU was problematic in execution. It lost focus so much in having all those characters. Some of them never got enough focus and development. Some got a couple episodes and we never really saw them do anything meangingful again.

However, you are also forgetting in its run, the 90's series had a bunch of guest stars and revolving characters. It had a core cast, but it looks to be the same with this one. A core cast, but with numerous guest stars.

It generally looks like the main team is Wolverine, Cyclops, Emma Frost, Beast, Iceman, and Kitty Pryde.

 

[iamlegend]

Granted iamlegend. I think JLU was problematic in execution. It lost focus so much in having all those characters. Some of them never got enough focus and development. Some got a couple episodes and we never really saw them do anything meangingful again.

However, you are also forgetting in its run, the 90's series had a bunch of guest stars and revolving characters. It had a core cast, but it looks to be the same with this one. A core cast, but with numerous guest stars.

It generally looks like the main team is Wolverine, Cyclops, Emma Frost, Beast, Iceman, and Kitty Pryde.

That's one of the other reasons I'm kind of iffy on the show. I very much dislike the Astonishing book Whedon was putting out, and this cartoon may well have a team that's nearly identical, except with Iceman filling in for Colossus.

 

[Dread]

That's one of the other reasons I'm kind of iffy on the show. I very much dislike the Astonishing book Whedon was putting out, and this cartoon may well have a team that's nearly identical, except with Iceman filling in for Colossus.

Colossus gets no respect in animation. He's only either a guest star or has an extended cameo. He's never a main character on the main cast. Considering what a vibrant visual character he is, and how audiences tend to respond to awesome feats of strength, that's pretty bizarre, actually.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Colossus gets no respect in animation. He's only either a guest star or has an extended cameo. He's never a main character on the main cast. Considering what a vibrant visual character he is, and how audiences tend to respond to awesome feats of strength, that's pretty bizarre, actually.

This makes me sad because I feel Petey has a lot to offer, hopefully when the show debuts we will be pleasantly surprised by Peter's role.

 

[TheVileOne]

I have a good feeling about Colossus in this show, considering the promo images have him in uniform. In the 90's show he never had a uniform once.

 

[Dread]

I have a good feeling about Colossus in this show, considering the promo images have him in uniform. In the 90's show he never had a uniform once.

Ironically, Colossus was the ONLY mutant character besides the Morlocks who didn't wear spandex. Even background cameo mutants often wore spandex.

Still, it is pretty sad that THAT cartoon remains the pinnacle of Colossus development on any cartoon show. He got two guest episodes, and both were good. In EVOLUTION he got part of one or two but always bits and pieces and a few cameos, and got tossed in fights. PRYDE OF THE X-MEN was an 80's pilot where he talked in third person from SPIDER-FRIENDS.

His uniform looks alright, it was one from the comics at some point so I can't complain too much. I just think if he was part of the regular, supporting cast, he'd have done more in trailers. All he does is hit something for a half second in the one that was banned due to FOO FIGHTERS. He's classically gotten screwed when it comes to series and, again, to me he has as much right on a cast as Storm or Nightcrawler do (at least Nightcrawler got his due on Evolution). Considering in the comics, Colossus was one of the X-Men that Logan was usually cool with makes it almost mind-boggling that he'll be in extended cameo status.

I'm simply presuming that what has been done for 15 years will continue, and I haven't seen anything to show otherwise. Hell, I'd almost trade Colossus for Cyclops at this point; Cyclops at least got to star in most of Evolution. If you liked Colossus, all you can do is replay those 90's moments where he fought Juggernaut or Omega Red and sob softly.

 

[TheVileOne]

OK though. Considering this show is 26 episodes and we only saw clips from what were probably a few episodes, its too early to make that kind of judgement.

 

[Dread]

OK though. Considering this show is 26 episodes and we only saw clips from what were probably a few episodes, its too early to make that kind of judgement.

History is not on Colossus' side. If he was part of the core cast then he'd be in the first few episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if half the reason he shows up at all is to have someone to throw at Juggernaut.

The last time this creative team got together for an X-Men show, rather than have Piotr in the main cast, they invented Spyke. Not that I hated Spyke as much as a lot of Evolution viewers did, but it says something.

The problem with Colossus is that as a "nice guy", writers have little idea what to do with him. They had a chance with Evolution and mostly blew it.

Out of all the X-Men on the main cast, Cyclops actually makes the least sense to be on a team Wolverine led, because Logan usually can't stand him because he saw Scott as an obstacle blocking him from Jean. But naturally Cyclops is a recognizable figure so Cyclops is here (and he is key to the mythos). When Wolverine briefly led the X-Men in the 80's, Scott wasn't part of that team (it was the Aussie era). But, since he is here, hopefully he won't just go from "emo to Yes, Boss" and there is some conflict.

 

[TheVileOne]

Considering this show is giving face time to characters who have never been animated before, its already bucking the historical trends for animated X-men shows.

 

[iamlegend]

Considering this show is giving face time to characters who have never been animated before, its already bucking the historical trends for animated X-men shows.

I dunno...

Among the heroes it's mainly Frost. A lot of the younger X-men got some face time in Evolution.

 

[Dread]

Considering this show is giving face time to characters who have never been animated before, its already bucking the historical trends for animated X-men shows.

I see it as more like doing what the 90's show did, only for 2008-2009. I mean, the 90's show had a MESSLOAD of cameo's. Even DIAMOND LIL got some action in Season 1, and she wasn't even an X-Man, she was a second stringer for Alpha Flight. Don't get me wrong, I think it is a good idea, but I am keeping things in perspective.

If this series was bucking the trend on Colossus, he'd have been part of the first few episodes. He'd have had at least a single line of dialogue after some two trailers. He'd appear in group shots. He'd DO SOMETHING other than hit something for 2 seconds. In contrast, Angel has done more in the trailers. And that's fine, because one could argue that considering being a founding X-Man, Angel's hardly been on a core cast either, but I was just using him for comparison. EVOLUTION gave us a great Angel, so he should be fine here.

It just seems to me that if Wolverine were to assemble his own team to lead, Colossus would definitely be there, after Shadowcat, Nightcrawler and Storm on the core cast. But maybe that's going by comics, not the show's hodge-podge of comic lore and movie lore (it basically is trying to be a better X-MEN 3, which frankly isn't hard).

 

[Crimson Warrior]

well I will be there hoping for the best for big pete, though my conscience is telling me otherwise.

 

[Dread]

well I will be there hoping for the best for big pete, though my conscience is telling me otherwise.

Yeah, that is pretty much my position. I'd LOVE to be wrong here, I just simply doubt I will be, and the show's shown little that makes me think I will be wrong.

 

[TheVileOne]

Dread, X-men Evolution incorporated new characters in the later seasons that became regulars after their debuts. This show is being written and directed by the same guys. It's not the Larry Houston and Meugniot people who did the 90's X-men show.

 

[Dread]

Dread, X-men Evolution incorporated new characters in the later seasons that became regulars after their debuts. This show is being written and directed by the same guys. It's not the Larry Houston and Meugniot people who did the 90's X-men show.

Colossus was not one of them, when he very well could have been. These are the same writers who felt LEGION deserved a focus episode with only 9 left and no sign that Kid's WB would renew the show.

 

[TheVileOne]

Dude, I get the Colossus love I really do. Were there missed opportunities with Colossus in that show? Yes. There was a whole implied subplot there that was never explored in why he was under Magneto's thumb. Then there was maybe the hint that he was interested in Kitty Pryde.

There was nothing wrong with the LEGION episode.

My simple point was to show that according to you because Colossus didn't do much in the trailers means he's going to be a non-factor in this show. I'm saying its too early to make that assumption based off of trailers that probably only show the earliest episodes of what is now set to be a 26 episode series, also considering that the same creators are good at introducing new characters into a show and making them into series regulars.

 

[Dread]

I never said he would be a non factor. I just am presuming he will do his usual role of existing as an extended cameo or guest star in maybe 1-2 episodes, because he has never done more in any cartoon he has ever been in, and nothing I have seen so far from this show is convincing me otherwise. Least not yet.

In Evolution, in one episode Magneto claimed that Colossus was working for him otherwise "he would never see his family again", implying that perhaps Magneto was holding them hostage (or they were otherwise missing and only Magneto knew where they were). But, yeah, this subplot went nowhere. Apocalypse seemingly killed Magneto and Colossus left the team. Ho hum.

The Legion episode was alright, but with so few episodes left I thought introducing another random threat who we would never see again was a bit of a waste. They needed to do more to flesh out the cast they had, like the Gambit/Rogue episode.

About the only character who "started minor and ended up major" in Evolution was Iceman, who seemingly replaced Spyke in Season 3. I mean, sure, the Brotherhood got more focus in Season 2, but they were already a heavy part of Season 1, so that really doesn't count in the same way.

My point really is that history favors one outcome and the show would have to buck the trend and provide evidence otherwise. I'm certainly not going to think, "Hey, they're giving Domino a speaking role! That means Colossus is joining the cast forever by episode #13!"

 

[shadowdog]

And if you look at the first trailer, characters like Emma Frost, Polaris and Scarlet Witch weren't featured at all. Now that we've seen a second trailer, we have more of an idea as to the characters we will be seeing, but just because we haven't Colossus in eiter of the trailers we've seen, I don't think it means we won't be seeing him in the show all that much, he just for whatever reason hasn't been deemed clipworthy.

 

[Dread]

And if you look at the first trailer, characters like Emma Frost, Polaris and Scarlet Witch weren't featured at all. Now that we've seen a second trailer, we have more of an idea as to the characters we will be seeing, but just because we haven't Colossus in eiter of the trailers we've seen, I don't think it means we won't be seeing him in the show all that much, he just for whatever reason hasn't been deemed clipworthy.

Which, frankly, I think is STUPID. Colossus has a visually interesting design and massive, smack-down feats of strength ALWAYS jazz up the audiences. When I went to see X2 a bunch of times in theaters and X3 once, the audience always "OOoo! Ahh" 'd at whatever Colossus did on screen. And those audiences were larger than whatever audience will watch a NickToons show.

Hey, I'm not saying scenes with Wolverine tearing stuff up aren't great and don't accomplish the same thing, or Cyclops blasting something and the other stuff. Despite my misgivings about the show, the trailers are better than I expected when the show was announced. I'm just saying that if Piotr is about to become a breakout star of the show (which, again, I seriously doubt unless W&TXM literally bucks every single trend of every single incarnation of the X-Men that has ever hit the small and big screen, which is nothing no sane person would ever "expect" without evidence), then it is stupid to not make some splashes about it in trailers.

 

[TheVileOne]

I have a feeling Dread's favorite character is Colossus.

 

[Dread]

I have a feeling Dread's favorite character is Colossus.

Ironically, my favorite X-Man used to be Wolverine, but then as the years went by and the overexposure continued, my liking for him decreased a bit; or rather, I discovered around college he wasn't the be-all and end all of the X-Men franchise, that it had more to offer. I was well into college before I liked Cyclops. But Colossus was usually always there in my Top 3 X-Men, despite his short stint in the 90's show.

As I have grown as a fan, while I still like Wolverine (when used properly), naturally my geek heart sometimes bleeds for characters who I don't feel get nearly enough due, especially in multi-media. You BET I used him in my first Ultimate Alliance team (and he barely has any specific lines in the storyline there, either).

I just never understand the consistent and historical underplaying of Colossus, and this goes to more than cartoons. The comics have been stuck without any real plans for him for years, rather than the same outdated "Cold War Evil Russians" stories. Not even the almighty Joss Whedon could get much of a handle on him. I mean, yeah, he is a "nice guy", but he has his emotional issues and teams always have space for a nice guy. For all the rep Logan and Gambit get as ladies men, Piotr's had a ridiculous amount of potential and former girlfriends (he even kissed Rogue once). He's a visually dynamic character (thanks, Dave Cockrum) and when he is done right, paced right, he's just as cool as any other tanker superhero, sometimes cooler. But those sequences are few and far between. And for the life of me I can't understand why it is so damned hard. Especially having witnessed a lot of ancedotal evidence that audiences respond well to him.

Hey, I'm not saying Colossus deserves to star in his own series or have 10 out of 26 episodes focusing on him. That's silly. I'm just a little irked that he never makes it onto the main cast or has much to do or say on a show besides some broken English lines and occasionally hitting something or throwing Wolverine (which is all he did in X3).

 

[doomed_soul89]

I really don't think that the series is going to be as focus on wolverine as everyone belives, i think they just put it as the title because he is the most popular/well known x-men character and they are trying to play off that, that said him being the leader might not last as long as everyone thinks, alot can happen over seasons and i think this show will go alot of season and gambit will probally end up with a full time role to just not yet, i mean in season 1 X-men evolution had very few characters compared to season 3 or 4 and with wolverines movie coming out i think this show will get alot of ppl into it and last a long time, but for that to happen we should probally not just dl the eps and forget about them try and leave the tv on when it airs in the US even if you don't want to rewatch it just to give them the raiting

 

[TheVileOne]

Well they have 26 episodes in or close to in the can. For animated shows, sometimes 26 episodes is as far as they go.

 

[doomed_soul89]

the last 2 shows of x-men went 5 seasons and 4 seasons does anyone honestly think this one will stop at 1?

 

[BMM]

There's not much I don't like about the series. I don't care what they do with it so long as it's entertaining. It's a freakin' cartoon afterall.