What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS*

[BlueLantern]

Nail on the head by Waid, T'Challa.

 

[Glassjaw]

This.

Going to see it for the second time tonight, with a bunch of friends. Gonna try and have a different experience and I think being with people who don't take it that seriously anyway will help

Cool I really can't wait to hear how you find it on your second viewing when I see it a second time I really do anticipate finding more things to enjoy about the film that I missed the first time because I was too busy processing stuff etc.

 

[FN Spider-man]

When I saw it the second time that day I first saw it, it was weird to me but everything seemed to flow better IMO

 

[Autonet]

The suit was made the moment the house of El key was put into the ship.
Whatever Kryptonian who adds their personal key to said tech...
It becomes acclimated to them.
So the Jor-El construct of consciousness made the Superman suit the
moment that his son added the key to the ship.

Does that make sense?
It did to me the moment I saw it.

My issue isn't with that the suit was made, it was in that Clark himself never acknowledged it or said anything about it or even questioned using it.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Mark Waid's review pretty much details my issues with the movie. He nailed it better than i ever could. very detailed stuff coming from a guy who knows the character inside out.

http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-steel-since-you-asked/

here's the concluding paragraph

Yeah, it's kind of a comfort to me that he had such a similar experience to mine.

And I feel bad, cause I saw he didn't like it (without reading the full review) before I saw the movie, and I tried to dismiss it.

Then again, I was trying to dismiss all the critics because I wanted to give enjoying it a chance.

 

[partypooper]

Very disappointing, such a thin and texturless film.

Should have just made a CGI animation.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Cool I really can't wait to hear how you find it on your second viewing when I see it a second time I really do anticipate finding more things to enjoy about the film that I missed the first time because I was too busy processing stuff etc.

Yeah me too. That's why I've left it a couple of days as well, let myself simmer down

Sounds horrible, but I'm so comforted to know that you felt a similar way to me about it

There are a few people on the forum that I really enjoying discussing things with but feel like I can't now cause they are on the other side of the divide

 

[conan69]

Mark Waid's review pretty much details my issues with the movie. He nailed it better than i ever could. very detailed stuff coming from a guy who knows the character inside out.

http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-st...nce-you-asked/

"And as this moment was building, as Zod was out of control and Superman was (for the first time since the fishing boat 90 minutes ago) struggling to actually save innocent victims instead of casually catching them in mid-plummet, some crazy guy in front of us was muttering “Don’t do it…don’t do it…DON’T DO IT…” and then Superman snapped Zod’s neck and that guy stood up and said in a very loud voice, “THAT’S IT, YOU LOST ME, I’M OUT,” and his girlfriend had to literally pull him back into his seat and keep him from walking out and that crazy guy was me. That crazy guy was me, and I barely even remember doing that, I had to be told afterward that I’d done that, that’s how caught up in betrayal I felt."

I LOL'd

 

[Redwolf]

Saw the movie last night, my view of it.


I really enjoyed the opening, but I felt it wasn't long enough. I wanted to see more of Krypton! I wanted to see more of the culture, more of a relationship between Zod and Jor-El. It would have made Jor-El's murder have more of an impact.

I personally would have not gone with flashbacks. After Kal's ship lands I would have Jonathan and Martha find it and Kal. Have scenes where they try to figure out what it is and why that baby is in the ship. Then fast forward to Clark is school having a sensory overload. Progress to the bus saving scene, then bully scene. Eventually fast forward to the Tornado scene.

During the Tornado have Clark busy helping others. Then he turns to see Jonathan die, unable to help him. Next the oil rig scene in that order.

I also agree the scene where he is presented the suit felt rushed. I would have preferred more of an explanation of the suit. The scenes following where he tries to fly felt rushed. I would have preferred Jor-El explaning in more detail how Superman's powers work.

Superman's powers and explanation. Not all of his powers were showcased here. I felt the battles were too SHORT, yes too short. Especially the end fight with Zod.

When he boards Zod's ship and he then has to adapt to Krypton's atomsphere. I didn't like that, it's the RED sun that depowers Superman (fast or slow depending on continuity). There was no red sun on the ship!

Clark mentioned he had been on Earth for 33 years. Yet Zod and company seemed to be just as powerful. I prefer the version where Clark stores up solar energy. When I saw the trailers and saw multiple Kryptonians I assumed Clark would be more powerful (having 33 years of solar energy stored up) yet be outnumbered with less powerful Kryptonians. That didn't seem to be the case.

Zod's death, I didn't mind that Superman killed Zod. Some say Superman had other options, but Zod would of just kept coming. Even if Clark managed to put Zod back into the phantom zone somehow he would have escaped. My problem with the death scene is Zod died rather easily. Kryptonians are supposed to be nigh invunerable, even against one with equal power.

Now I'll had to debate Hulk fanboys who claim Hulk could just snap Superman's neck like Supes did to Zod in MOS.

Superman's fight scenes around innocent people. Would have like it if he lured Zod to space or the desert to battle. Superman didn't seem t care much about innoncent people.

My final problem with the movie it it's too short. There was so much in the movie and not enough time tell it properly. I don't mind if a movie is three hours long as long as it's good.

So my overall rating, I'd give MOS an 8.5 out of a 10. No such thing as a perfect movie. I could nick pick the Chris Reeve movies too.

 

[FreeRadical]

One thing I've noticed is that there was a lot of destruction during the fighting, buildings collapsing etc, without mentioning the cost of human life and it's becoming a trend in recent films e.g Star Trek into Darkness and Fast and Furious 6.
At least The Avengers mentioned the loss caused after the fight in New York, with people around the world supporting/against The Avengers and worries for the future. But MOS - business as usual, no mention of how Metropolis is rebuild (LexCorp rebuilding the city = owning most of the city would be a good plot point in a sequel) or the damage caused by Superman's fight, whether the world is afraid of him or not. All we got was a happy ending after Supes

Spoiler

snaps Zod's neck

and business as usual at the Daily Planet.

There doesn't seem to be any consequences for any actions after the first 3/4 of the film, it's like - we set up Superman, let's blow some stuff up! It's good that we have a Supes that can punch, but I think the film makers may have over compensated...

 

[dru-zod2501]

Didn't anyone learn from The Matrix? tentacles only make good villains in Japanese porn

 

[FreeRadical]

Didn't anyone learn from The Matrix? tentacles only make good villains in Japanese porn

The Superman vs Zod fight did remind me of the Matrix Revolutions (10 years old this year!). But Agent Smoth and Neo were fighting in a simulated world.

I remember saying back then, 'Wow, imagine a Superman vs Zod fight like that!'

 

[Marvin]

One thing I've noticed is that there was a lot of destruction during the fighting, buildings collapsing etc, without mentioning the cost of human life and it's becoming a trend in recent films e.g Star Trek into Darkness and Fast and Furious 6.
At least The Avengers mentioned the loss caused after the fight in New York, with people around the world supporting/against The Avengers and worries for the future. But MOS - business as usual, no mention of how Metropolis is rebuild (LexCorp rebuilding the city = owning most of the city would be a good plot point in a sequel) or the damage caused by Superman's fight, whether the world is afraid of him or not. All we got was a happy ending after Supes

Spoiler

snaps Zod's neck

and business as usual at the Daily Planet.

There doesn't seem to be any consequences for any actions after the first 3/4 of the film, it's like - we set up Superman, let's blow some stuff up! It's good that we have a Supes that can punch, but I think the film makers may have over compensated...

It's all good as long as it's mentioned in some form after the fact?
I seem to recall a very business casual state of mind in central park at the end of avengers.

I'm mostly fine with people having issues but it's when the double standard comparisons pop up that things tend to fall apart imo.

Moreover, it's unclear how long after "the battle for metropolis" the ending happens and it's pretty obvious that the Daily Planet isn't in the same building/location...that's what I took away anyways.

 

[FreeRadical]

It's all good as long as it's mentioned in some form after the fact?
I seem to recall a very business casual state of mind in central park at the end of avengers.

I'm mostly fine with people having issues but it's when the double standard comparisons pop up that things tend to fall apart imo.

Moreover, it's unclear how long after "the battle for metropolis" the ending happens and it's pretty obvious that the Daily Planet isn't in the same building/location...that's what I took away anyways.

Yeah, a time scale after the battle for Metropolis would have been good, all we saw of Metropolis at the end was a out of focus shot of Clark on his bicycle and the city.

The Avengers wasn't perfect, but the newsreports at the end showing the differing viewpoints helped. MOS didn't care at the end, we have no idea how the world views Superman after the battle, if people like approve of him or not (but Supes telling the General to tell Washington that he's not a threat is a indicator) The Daily Planet part at the end could have had a mention of Superman doing something, or Lex Luthor being praised for rebuilding Metropolis.

That world changer levelled half a city, those aliens in The Avengers caused moderate damage (don't recall any skyscrapers falling).

Another problem is how are they going to top this in a sequel or Justice League film? This is only the first, and look at the amount of action and damage done?

Also, Superman destroying satellites? Bruce and Lex won't be happy and I mentioned in another thread - does it seem a bit like Quest for Peace? e.g satellites in place of nukes, Supes getting a bit too involved...

 

[iamsilvio]

I did not like MOS. It was marketed and described as a smart character and societal study of an alien and the impact an alien would have on human civilization. But of course, none of that was shown or discussed. What makes me sad is that many people will pay to see MOS without question this fact.

This is how the movie should have played out in condensed form:

1. Open with a young kindergarten Clark hearing and seeing things. Ma kent comes to the school and comforts him.

2. More growing up scenes. Bullies picking on Clark, Clark saving school bus etc.

3. Scenes of Clark question who he is to pa and ma kent. They reveal to Clark where he comes from.

4. Clark leaves the farm and goes on an identity searching journey. Saves people. Rumors start to spread.

5. Louis starts tracking Clark.

6. The Government finds the krytonian ship. Louis follows Clark into ship. Clark saves her from AI defense system.

7. Clark meets Jor El. Jor El tells him about krypton. Flash back to the Krypton opening destruction scene. Clark gets the superman suit, and starts using his powers. The world is in shock and awe. (I would show how his God like powers make people question if he is an angle or "god.")

8. General Zod shows up and demands that superman turn himself in. World governments call for Marshall law and start searching for the alien called Kal-El. Louis knows who he is and seeks him out at Ma Kent's farm. She convinces Clark to turn himself in.

9. Clark goes to Zod by himself (not with Louis). Learns of Zods plans, escapes with his fathers help. Returns to Earth to stop Zod.

10. Fights the Krptonians in constrained and shortened fights. He sends them back to the phantom Zone. The end.

Make MOS linear and it will become a simple and brilliant movie.

 

[THANOSRULES]

The Superman vs Zod fight did remind me of the Matrix Revolutions (10 years old this year!). But Agent Smoth and Neo were fighting in a simulated world.

I remember saying back then, 'Wow, imagine a Superman vs Zod fight like that!'

Yeah this is a great point..I remember everybody was saying the same thing..wow this could be what a good superman fight in modern CGI could be...then we didnt get it in "returns" and most people I know were really dissappointed...

This film, however, flat out delivered.. (it would be almost shocking if people used the Neo comparison as a complaint)

mY 2 complaints from the film.

1. Science didnt really add up...
2. Clark should have cracked a joke or two more in the film..not jerry seinfeild but scenes like the reveal of the costume on the ship could have been some moments of levity.

But overall amazing, amazing film that was beyond my hopes

 

[iamsilvio]

Yeah this is a great point..I remember everybody was saying the same thing..wow this could be what a good superman fight in modern CGI could be...then we didnt get it in retunrs and most people I know were really dissapointed...

THis film flat out delivered..

mY 2 complaints from the film.

1. Science didnt really add up...
2. Clark should have cracked a joke or two more in the film..not jerry seinfeild but scenes like the reveal of the costume on the ship could have been some moments of levity.

But overall amazing, amazing film that was beyond my hopes

You my friend do not understand what makes a film a good film. And no its not relative. Snyder and Goyer do not understand basic 101 script/story writing. MOS is an incoherent and noisy mess of a film in comparison to other great action films.

 

[batman497]

Spoilers!!
Things I would change or have major issues with:
1. After the destruction of basically the entire city and the death of millions of people, the Daily Planet and downtown Metropolis seems to be rebuilt in a day! Worst of all, no one seems to care that all those people just died. "Hey millions of people just died, but do any of you babes want to go to a basketball game with me?! COURT SIDE!!!!" The whole basketball team is probably dead!
2. Jonathan Kent dies in a tornado?! The reason his death resonated so much in the original films is because he dies of something that Superman can't prevent, a heart attack. That's the point! Here Jonathan goes back to a car to get a blasted dog. Why didn't Martha go back? She is the one that closed the door on the stinking mutt. Clark could have easily saved his dad without using superhuman powers and without raising suspicion. Costner's limping in this scene is hilarious. Didn't clark see or hear the tornado? They stop like two inches in front of it, and clark is like "what the..?"
3. Power the "World Maker!!" The world maker?????
4. Superman immediately loses his powers outside of earths yellow sun? what the heck is he going to do when he has to go to Apokolips to face off with Darkseid? This movie is supposed to be the start off point for a shared DC universe, but the writers have now basically limited him to being on planet earth or risk him being useless on another planet.
5. "Why didn't you leave the planet with me?" What the heck kind of an explanation does Jor-el give here? "We knew our fate was sealed like Krypton's." This makes zero sense.
6. Apparently there was some kind of love story going on. I had no idea this was the case.
7. "Get inside, it's not safe out here" says superman seconds before those buildings are destroyed and every citizen of smallville dies a horrible death caused by blunt force trauma, smoke inhalation, and severe burns!

 

[redhawk23]

Very disappointing, such a thin and texturless film.

Should have just made a CGI animation.

I'm sorry but

 

[redhawk23]

Spoilers!!
Things I would change or have major issues with:
1. After the destruction of basically the entire city and the death of millions of people, the Daily Planet and downtown Metropolis seems to be rebuilt in a day! Worst of all, no one seems to care that all those people just died. "Hey millions of people just died, but do any of you babes want to go to a basketball game with me?! COURT SIDE!!!!" The whole basketball team is probably dead!
2. Jonathan Kent dies in a tornado?! The reason his death resonated so much in the original films is because he dies of something that Superman can't prevent, a heart attack. That's the point! Here Jonathan goes back to a car to get a blasted dog. Why didn't Martha go back? She is the one that closed the door on the stinking mutt. Clark could have easily saved his dad without using superhuman powers and without raising suspicion. Costner's limping in this scene is hilarious. Didn't clark see or hear the tornado? They stop like two inches in front of it, and clark is like "what the..?"
3. Power the "World Maker!!" The world maker?????
4. Superman immediately loses his powers outside of earths yellow sun? what the heck is he going to do when he has to go to Apokolips to face off with Darkseid? This movie is supposed to be the start off point for a shared DC universe, but the writers have now basically limited him to being on planet earth or risk him being useless on another planet.
5. "Why didn't you leave the planet with me?" What the heck kind of an explanation does Jor-el give here? "We knew our fate was sealed like Krypton's." This makes zero sense.
6. Apparently there was some kind of love story going on. I had no idea this was the case.
7. "Get inside, it's not safe out here" says superman seconds before those buildings are destroyed and every citizen of smallville dies a horrible death caused by blunt force trauma, smoke inhalation, and severe burns!

It's "World Engine" and really what would you rather call it?

Pa Ken'ts death drove home how fully committed he was to the idea that the world was not ready to see what Clark could do. Clark's inaction in that case haunts him.

 

[Marvin]

Superman's fight scenes around innocent people. Would have like it if he lured Zod to space or the desert to battle. Superman didn't seem t care much about innoncent people.

but....

 

[batman497]

"world engine" is actually worse than "world maker"!!!
they could have come up with a thousand other ways than kevin costner embarrassingly limping in front of a bad cgi tornado. it was silly!

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, a time scale after the battle for Metropolis would have been good, all we saw of Metropolis at the end was a out of focus shot of Clark on his bicycle and the city.

The Avengers wasn't perfect, but the newsreports at the end showing the differing viewpoints helped. MOS didn't care at the end, we have no idea how the world views Superman after the battle, if people like approve of him or not (but Supes telling the General to tell Washington that he's not a threat is a indicator) The Daily Planet part at the end could have had a mention of Superman doing something, or Lex Luthor being praised for rebuilding Metropolis.

That world changer levelled half a city, those aliens in The Avengers caused moderate damage (don't recall any skyscrapers falling).

Another problem is how are they going to top this in a sequel or Justice League film? This is only the first, and look at the amount of action and damage done?

Also, Superman destroying satellites? Bruce and Lex won't be happy and I mentioned in another thread - does it seem a bit like Quest for Peace? e.g satellites in place of nukes, Supes getting a bit too involved...

I can say two quick things about this.

It's probably a good decision to keep the world reaction to superman for a later film all it's own. With Nolan/Goyer behind the thematic structure I wouldn't be surprised if this was the intent. I think this works very well considering clark will be at the news paper himself.

Seondly, The avengers faced a few city blocks of damage and they supposedly contained it to just that(even before the hulk showed up). The world machine took out a few city blocks(literally) and superman zod took out not much more than that I think.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm still having a tough time with the Zod resolution. I get that in that exact situation he had little choice, but why write yourself into that corner in the first place. I hope when I see it a second time its not as uncomfortable as the first time. It's just so, so weird they wrote an ending where Superman saves the day by violently killing someone then breaking down into tears. It's so depressing lol. Hopefully it'll play differently to me on a second viewing.

in my opinion, shock value or to show the audience "This isnt the Superman your used to". BUt primarily shock value

I mean there is no build up like having Pa Kent or anyone explain to Clark that he shouldnt kill. THere's no buildup of Clark having/gaining these morals. It just happens.

The more I think of it. The more okay I wouldve been with it, if as I said before they had anything before hand about not killing or anything like that. The way they presented it didnt work.

So how would some of you handle the situation Superman was in with Zod?

I agree with many that he didnt have a lot of options (although I think he couldve flown away or used super speed or something) and he did do what a lot would do in the situation. But I wouldnt have put him in the situation. Or at least I wouldnt have done it with no build up to how Clark feels about killing

 

[Marvin]

"world engine" is actually worse than "world maker"!!!
they could have come up with a thousand other ways than kevin costner embarrassingly limping in front of a bad cgi tornado. it was silly!

I take you you lol'd then?