What is DC Entertainment doing? What is their plan? - Part 1

[Lencho01]

yes. totally. All of their eggs are already in one basket. They own them all. There is NO reason not to interconnect the films.

Because they don't really need to.

 

[HighFivingMF]

yes. totally. All of their eggs are already in one basket. They own them all. There is NO reason not to interconnect the films.

Their eggs are on the same farm. Not in the same basket. And you want to know a completely valid reason not to interconnect the films? They don't want to.

 

[Airwings]

Tobias are right. Hawkman could be a big hit, as well as the other successes they have had over the years. But that doesn't mean failure for every heavy hitter DC hero either. There are three left to explore after GL (WW, Flash, Aqua) and at least one of them will be a smash, hopefully more than one.
About Hawkman can be said that he is below most of the heroes. But one positive thing is lesser expectation because of the smaller fanbase.

But on the other hand. A character like Hawkman need its budget. WB have to put money in it. And an expensive film with lots of marketing, raises expectations, for sure.
We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Docker2.0]

No way will Hawkman do IM numbers. I'll be honest, it's debatable if MOS will do IM's numbers. WB/DC has put the kitchen sink on Batman and noone else, except maybe GL now but now that that film has bombed, we probably won't see him for awhile, even though he has a cartoon out. I can guarantee you that when Avengers comes out, Disney is going to market the freak out of them, we'll see them everywhere and on everything. Marvel marketed their characters well and now with Disney backing them, they will now completely blow DC/WB out of the water unless they change their strategy.................meaning tie them together. Everyone is saying they don't have to but they actually do. Putting everything on one character(Batman) will help if he branches out into other films, like a GL even though they are two different genres. If you look at Marvel and what they did with IM, Hulk, Thor and Cap, they tied them together but yet was able to tell stories that were their own separate entity. I just don't see why DC can't do the same when they have all their big names under one roof.

 

[Red Mask]

Their eggs are on the same farm. Not in the same basket. And you want to know a completely valid reason not to interconnect the films? They don't want to.

The Avengers are Assembling! Justice League Scramble! t:

 

[Tobias]

Tobias are right. Hawkman could be a big hit, as well as the other successes they have had over the years. But that doesn't mean failure for every heavy hitter DC hero either. There are three left to explore after GL (WW, Flash, Aqua) and at least one of the will be a smash, hopefully more than one.
About Hawkman can be said that he is below most of the heroes. But one positive thing is lesser expectation because of the smaller fanbase.

But on the other hand. A character like Hawkman need its budget. WB have to put money in it. And an expensive film with lots of marketing, raises expectations, for sure.
We'll just have to wait and see.

I agree.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the remaining big DC 3 does mega-numbers. But it's not a given.

Batman has done it, Superman and GL couldn't.

But until the remaining 3 big 3 get solo films we won't know. It's a guessing game till the others are given a shot..

 

[HighFivingMF]

The Avengers are Assembling! Justice League Scramble! t:

Alrighty then...

 

[HighFivingMF]

I agree.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the remaining big DC 3 does mega-numbers. But it's not a given.

Batman has done it, Superman and GL couldn't.

But until the remaining 3 big 3 get solo films we won't know. It's a guessing game till the others are given a shot..

What do you consider the "mega-numbers?" because Superman Returns made more than both Cap and Thor in the US and more than Cap worldwide.

 

[Tobias]

What do you consider the "mega-numbers?" because Superman Returns made more than both Cap and Thor in the US and more than Cap worldwide.

Everyone has their own definition of mega-numbers.

I'd say 600 million plus WW. Which is what IM did. Anything above that is frosting on the cake. It's why Batman is so valued by WB.

WB and Marvel look at it differently. WB seems to expect mega-numbers from all it's DC films before they will do a sequel. Marvel expects healthy numbers to do a sequel. Huge difference.

Sure Marvel is stoked by mega-numbers, but they obviously can live with healthy not-so-mega dollars. As Cap and Thor made. Both got sequel commits within several weeks of their release.

SR cost a lot more to make than Thor or Cap so you have to figure that in. I haven't done the numbers on those three. My guess is that Thor and Cap netted more than SR from BO receipts only. DVD sales aren't out yet for Cap or Thor so that may change the picture.

WB seems to be looking for way more than a 400 million WW box before it greenlights a sequel. Marvel does not. Wasn't Cap actually under 400 million WW? SR vs Cap and Thor tell the story. The rebooted X-Men did even less and it likley will get a sequel.

This is why I don't have high hopes for MOS. I think it will do OK - somewhere between Cap and Thor numbers. However, even if it does Thor numbers I don't think that will be good enough for WB.

I think JL is the only non-Batman film WB can do right now that will make the numbers it wants. It's why I am so into WB doing a JL franchise along with the Batman reboot. I don't think they have any other options right now.

 

[akfj]

The rebooted X-Men did even less and it likley will get a sequel.

Marvel has no control over the X-Men franchise.

 

[Airwings]

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the remaining big DC 3 does mega-numbers. But it's not a given.

One of them WILL be huge. I think of this as pure logic. Not every hero will fail, it's impossible.

 

[GhostPoet]

I wish DC would help create films that stay closer to the comics. There's really no reason NOT to. Depending on the character, going the stylized route would be fantastic and true to the comic and character. (Batman for example. I like the current batman films, but a Batman film that's stylized and closer to the comics would be preferred)

 

[Red Mask]

The Avengers are Assembling! Justice League Scramble! t:

And stay scrambled! Unless it's an animated feature, a live action Justice League seems uninteresting at this point.

 

[TheDragonator]

I just read the plan originally for Escape from Supermax.


WHY THE HELL WASNT THIS MADE?

Seriously, a heist/breakout film with superheroes? This would have been awesome if they slightly changed the title.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I just read the plan originally for Escape from Supermax.


WHY THE HELL WASNT THIS MADE?

Seriously, a heist/breakout film with superheroes? This would have been awesome if they slightly changed the title.

They retitled it Green Arrow shortly before we stopped hearing about it.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

That would've been a great superhero movie. Not a origin movie for a change.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

I just read the plan originally for Escape from Supermax.


WHY THE HELL WASNT THIS MADE?

Seriously, a heist/breakout film with superheroes? This would have been awesome if they slightly changed the title.

Maybe WB is affraid of taking a real legit chance at a good superhero franchise. They have made multiple horrible films with their own DC properties and it is hard to blame who did/didn't do their job.

Goyer wrote the Blade trilogies and Batman Begins, you would think that they would give him the opportunity to do the film. Then again Wheadon try to push for a Wonder Woman film, the outcome was Wheadon working with the competition.

 

[TheDragonator]

They retitled it Green Arrow shortly before we stopped hearing about it.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!

 

[childeroland]

I just read the plan originally for Escape from Supermax.


WHY THE HELL WASNT THIS MADE?

Seriously, a heist/breakout film with superheroes? This would have been awesome if they slightly changed the title.

Why would they do that when they can make brilliant space operas starring Van Wilder and the chick from Gossip Girl? Not to mention that awesome Western with Josh Brolin.

 

[Docker2.0]

Yep but yet and still people still want to defend WB for their thousand Batman related properties but yet no shared universe which would have actually brought more money into GL and MOS but yet and still.......I'm calling it now, MOS is going to make around if not less than Thor numbers and that shouldn't be the case with Supes being A list and Thor being B list but I'm calling it now.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

No way will Hawkman do IM numbers. I'll be honest, it's debatable if MOS will do IM's numbers. WB/DC has put the kitchen sink on Batman and noone else, except maybe GL now but now that that film has bombed, we probably won't see him for awhile, even though he has a cartoon out. I can guarantee you that when Avengers comes out, Disney is going to market the freak out of them, we'll see them everywhere and on everything. Marvel marketed their characters well and now with Disney backing them, they will now completely blow DC/WB out of the water unless they change their strategy.................meaning tie them together. Everyone is saying they don't have to but they actually do. Putting everything on one character(Batman) will help if he branches out into other films, like a GL even though they are two different genres. If you look at Marvel and what they did with IM, Hulk, Thor and Cap, they tied them together but yet was able to tell stories that were their own separate entity. I just don't see why DC can't do the same when they have all their big names under one roof.

Hawkman could be a great character on film IF handle correctly, you can't just go "well the film will suck cause he's not Batman" or "SR sucked and GL bombed." Ok so they dropped the ball on their own properties including the fact that the characters are in no-way-whatsoever in the same universe, which I hope they rectify with MOS that is if Nolan has enough common sense to do the right thing. All of DC characters at one time or another have had a great story because of the team of writers and artist. WB just need to get the right writers, actors and most importantly directors. I really could care less about the ammount of money that a film makes: TDK made a billion dollars, that's great but WB still is banking on the same character and that shows that they are not willing to take a chance on another character (excluding GL/MOS). Marvel does IM, IM2, Hulk, Thor, Cap and the Avengers while connecting the dots here and there to make the Avengers. Marvel at least is doing it in a period of at least 5 years. WB started with Batman Begins in 2005, TDK, 2008, GL 2011, TDKR 2012, and MOS 2012 (I think), yet no JL or WW, Aquaman, nor Flash.

When will they start?.......

 

[Panthro]

Batman needs to be in the first JL. But not take up too much screen time. Having Superman in it would make that situation worse with the big two taking away critical story-telling time from the other superheros. Batman is a big draw and needs to be in JL but instead of Superman it seems wiser to me to give that precious screentime to develop the other characters. I think this is critical if JL is going to work as a launching pad for solo DC film franchises.

So you deny Superman, a character who hasn't had a genuine hit film in decades, the chance to be in a potentially huge film because in theory he takes away from the screen time of Aquaman, Flash and Wonder Woman, yet it's okay to have Batman there when the character appears in so many different media adaptations it's not even funny?

 

[HighFivingMF]

None of these movies are being made "instead of" other ones. If Man of Steel wasn't being made, there would still not be a Flash or Wonder Woman movie in 2013.

 

[akfj]

Ok so they dropped the ball on their own properties including the fact that the characters are in no-way-whatsoever in the same universe, which I hope they rectify with MOS that is if Nolan has enough common sense to do the right thing.

Nolan already said that Man of Steel won't be connected to his Batman movies. But what makes that the right thing and common sense? Just having a mention of Batman isn't going to make the movie automatically great. Batman & Robin had a Superman reference and that movie was terrible.

 

[KRIM]

Yep but yet and still people still want to defend WB for their thousand Batman related properties but yet no shared universe which would have actually brought more money into GL and MOS but yet and still.......I'm calling it now, MOS is going to make around if not less than Thor numbers and that shouldn't be the case with Supes being A list and Thor being B list but I'm calling it now.

Superman Returns did 20 million more than Thor (in the US), and the latter was far more accepted in mainstream eyes. While the brand isn't as fresh thanks to Singer, it will be enough years in between both movies that the reboot has a good shot at erasing past mistakes. If Snyder brings his A-game with action and Nolan/Goyer did their part on the script, Supes can easily be a top tier franchise again.

Marvel has no control over the X-Men franchise.

Incidentally, DC has no control over any potential movie franchise.