Homecoming What should they do with the Spidey franchise? - Part 1

[Venom'sDad]

The S6 is certainly limited in that sense. We all know what's most likely going to happen, which is why I wanted TASM2 to not be so revealing in the end. I actually thought it was cool how Harry and Max ended up needing each other, but STAR labs does provide a different perspective for a direction Oscorp could have been taken.

StarLab is not a company anymore...they are just trying to fix a mistake. Oscorp is a actual company not only researching, but currently producing a variety of products, technologies, new innovation & medical. So have to treat the companies situation differently.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think in retrospect, Electro's classic costume could've worked in TASM2. It could've been dark green like Loki's costume, with some lightning accents. If they didn't want a full on lightning mask, he could've emitted sparks from his face which, when buzzing around his head, gave off the same shape as that classic mask. He definitely needed a more serious personality like Blackout as well. Then he would've been very intimidating, and even if his costume might look a little silly, no-one would be laughing because he would be as formidable and dangerous as Blackout was.

Would've been cool even if he was after Norman Osborne because Osborne was somehow responsible for his creation, just like Wells was for Blackout's. Of course, with Norman being dead in the movie (which shouldn't have happened either) he might still want recompense and might come after Harry, with Spidey trying to protect him.

 

[Valkyrje]

Peter is a sad chap either, never had been. He has always been your average kids that handle situations and problems much more maturely than the average teen. He has great friend, and good relations with a variety of young women. He is not a sad or angry person, but very considerate and respectful in many ways. Someone, I wish todays teen would Immolate. I do wish they would treat the series more mature & serious.

Inside, Peter will always feel guilty. And I'm not talking about relationships. Bats has always had good women. But, imo, inside he's not as hurt as Spidey. Peter will never get over what happened to Ben. That doesn't mean that everyday he cries, but he will always be angry with himself. Ppl should not think that if Spidey cracks a joke he is a happy being. That's the mask, who let's him be what he wants, what Peter Parker can never be.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I read this:

http://deadline.com/2014/04/amazing-spider-man-2-box-office-international-launch-716150/

Some facts about TASM2.

"At the $750M mark, Sony stands to make about 20% return on the movie so they will not lose money but not considered a big success. "

"ASM2’s production budget is said to be around $255M, with about $180M to $190M spent on marketing."

I keep thinking what's the best thing to do about this series but nothing comes to mind. No offense to fans but even after Spidey 3, I can't say people didn't want more Raimi films. I mean Spidey 3 did big numbers without IMAX and 3D. I look at the direction of the DCCU, MCU, Star Wars films, Fox X-Men films. To me I'm not sure how to fix the series unless you reboot with a more talented director because I can't say Webb is as good as Snyder or Abrams or Johnson or Whedon or Singer or others.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I have a feeling that, initially, Sony's ideas for TASM2 were more streamlined (that's if they just left it as Electro with the only villain) but they decided that what they had wasn't really enough and they decided to do more world-building stuff by including Smythe, Ravencroft, Oscorp having more importance, Richard Parker's secret lab etc.

I read today they wrote the film backwards so they wrote gwens death first before they wrote the rest of the film

Basically the fans reacted to gwen being in TASM and Sony probably see it as a hype machine

And i remember Webb saying they planned her death to be a suprised in the film originally, so i gather marketing took over and the rest happened

 

[Dasher10]

The big problem I have is that the MCU has all of Spider-Man's amazing friends. In the comics, Peter is close to Iron Man, Luke Cage, Daredevil and Moon Knight (and Human Torch but he's over at Fox) so the other heroes that he's closest to are all elsewhere. It's like a big party where everybody's invited except for the host who's stuck guest starring in spin-offs that nobody wanted to see.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Sony debunked the aunt may film rumor but didn't the rumors on Sinister Six
which point to

1;Sinister Six basiclly being a reboot of Spider-man
2:Will involve Spider-man having to team up with Sinister Six against against
a greater threat

It's very unlikely there will be a ASM3 or that marc Webb will direct another
Spider-man film or that Andrew Garfield will play SPider-man again.

Sony needs to forget about trying to do shared universe and work on making
a good film with what they do have

Spider-man
The love Intrests
The Spider-man Supporting cast
The Villains

 

[W/ Great Power]

I read today they wrote the film backwards so they wrote gwens death first before they wrote the rest of the film

Basically the fans reacted to gwen being in TASM and Sony probably see it as a hype machine

And i remember Webb saying they planned her death to be a suprised in the film originally, so i gather marketing took over and the rest happened

Where did you read that?

 

[Airnick]

Sony debunked the aunt may film rumor but didn't the rumors on Sinister Six
which point to

1;Sinister Six basiclly being a reboot of Spider-man
2:Will involve Spider-man having to team up with Sinister Six against against
a greater threat

It's very unlikely there will be a ASM3 or that marc Webb will direct another
Spider-man film or that Andrew Garfield will play SPider-man again.

Sony needs to forget about trying to do shared universe and work on making
a good film with what they do have

Spider-man
The love Intrests
The Spider-man Supporting cast
The Villains

One thing to point out is Sony was specifically asked about the Aunt May rumor. They were not asked about the other rumors.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Where did you read that?

http://io9.com/how-to-save-the-spider-man-movies-1664171798

When you listen to the filmmakers' commentary on the blu ray you realize that the core narrative flaw of the second Amazing Spider-Man film (a picture I mostly enjoyed) was the choice to kill Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy. They made that call at the beginning and then basically wrote the film backwards to justify that sequence both narratively (bringing in the Green Goblin in the name of source fidelity, offering a secondary villain in the form of Electro in order to have action sequences prior to Osbourne's transformation) and thematically (going hilariously out of its way to absolve Peter of any responsibility in his girlfriend's violent murder). The idea that the film was a backdoor pilot to a Sinister Six type film, or that it suffered from villain overload, was more about the marketing than the actual final product.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Sony debunked the aunt may film rumor but didn't the rumors on Sinister Six
which point to

1;Sinister Six basiclly being a reboot of Spider-man
2:Will involve Spider-man having to team up with Sinister Six against against
a greater threat

Robbins, where did you see that or can you link us to it?

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

Almost 2015 and I am STILL waiting for a proper Spidey Franchise!!!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

One of the major mistakes they did with this franchise was the overall happy tone. Spidey doesn't have a good life. His life is more of a tragedy. It's more tragic than Bat's imo. Bat's lost his parents but he could have done nothing. But look at Peter : he lost his uncle because of his own arrogance, then lost Cap. Stacy, then lost Gwen, all on his own accounts. Inside, Peter isn't happy. That's just a mask. The Spidey mask gives him most of his power, which was showed in his first movie. I'm not saying that it should be TDK, (even though I'd like to see a very serious take on him), but still not like ASM2.

Batman should actually be the happiest superhero. Yes, he lost his parents, but look at what he has. He doesn't have a job. Lucious does everything for him. He kicks back and relaxes all day long without a care. He has women throwing themselves at him. He can have an orgy every morning because he has no schedule to keep. He is a billionaire, so he will never have to face the anxiousness of going broke. He has a trusted butler with a military/medical background who can tend to his needs. He has sons that can give him that emotional fulfillment of being a parent. He has a steady girlfriend that he dumps after a few months, he has Catwoman who can give him that thrill of an elicit affair, he has countless women he can have a one night stand with.

There is no question why Batman is the chosen superhero for teenage boys. Because despite not having real powers and being borne from tragedy, he has a man who has everything.

Superman and Spider-man are far lonelier in comparison.

 

[W/ Great Power]

http://io9.com/how-to-save-the-spider-man-movies-1664171798

Well, many movies have focused on a particular event, and scenes of higher emphasis are generally shot before others. I think the problem was that it was such a focus after TASM1's ending, that they gave little to no time into considering how the rest of the movie will play out.

This even leads me to believe Electro was a last-second villain, when I actually think he could have been a major leap if they chose to not expand the universe.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Batman should actually be the happiest superhero. Yes, he lost his parents, but look at what he has. He doesn't have a job. Lucious does everything for him. He kicks back and relaxes all day long without a care. He has women throwing themselves at him. He can have an orgy every morning because he has no schedule to keep. He is a billionaire, so he will never have to face the anxiousness of going broke. He has a trusted butler with a military/medical background who can tend to his needs. He has sons that can give him that emotional fulfillment of being a parent. He has a steady girlfriend that he dumps after a few months, he has Catwoman who can give him that thrill of an elicit affair, he has countless women he can have a one night stand with.

There is no question why Batman is the chosen superhero for teenage boys. Because despite not having real powers and being borne from tragedy, he has a man who has everything.

Superman and Spider-man are far lonelier in comparison.

While it's true Batman is the biggest male power fantasy in existence, watching your parents murdered in front of you can seriously mess up a kid.

Peter was older (and still had Aunt May) when he found out Uncle Ben had been murdered. I've always attributed that to why he''s less broken than Bruce.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Robbins, where did you see that or can you link us to it?

That was report when it was report on rumor on sinister six that i saw from site that shall not be named which only posts things other sites report.

with aunt may film rumor debunked but not sinister six rumor of being some kind of reboot and involving spider-man having to team up with sinister six I am inclined to believe it.Sony seems to be taking WB's approach treating sinister six like Batman V SUperman.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well, many movies have focused on a particular event, and scenes of higher emphasis are generally shot before others. I think the problem was that it was such a focus after TASM1's ending, that they gave little to no time into considering how the rest of the movie will play out.

This even leads me to believe Electro was a last-second villain, when I actually think he could have been a major leap if they chose to not expand the universe.

Lets say for a moment, this is true...it only confirms what many have been saying about Sony's lack of direction & foresight for the franchise, leaving many to say, it should go back to Marvel. I don't think Sony will ever give the rights back(hope I'm terribly wrong); but, how can anyone have any faith or confidence in the franchise & related films, if this could, in any way, be true.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Lets say for a moment, this is true...it only confirms what many have been saying about Sony's lack of direction & foresight for the franchise, leaving many to say, it should go back to Marvel. I don't think Sony will ever give the rights back(hope I'm terribly wrong); but, how can anyone have any faith or confidence in the franchise & related films, if this could, in any way, be true.

I'll tell you this much: I had faith in the S6 in the days and the couple of months that followed TASM2, but it's been consistently withering.

I've been trying to convince myself that Sony's silence has been an intentional teaser towards fans. However, given such information about the lack of direction even prior to TASM2, it leads me to believe that they still have no concrete plans about what they want to do with any of the future projects they've announced.

 

[Stormz96]

Whether it's shared universe talks or just advice on direction, I think marvel is helping sony sort things out and rethink their franchise, and that's why there's so much silence. I mean, marvel owns all things spiderman except the films themselves so they can only gain from a better box office in his department. Also, I feel like now more than ever, spidey is becoming more prominent in marvel advertising (which probably means nothing or may be due to Ultimate Spider-Man's popularity among kids, but it's something I've noticed).

 

[harryoscop]

Guys... I think I'm going to give Sinister Six a chance, before I judge it.

 

[JOE]

I'll see it on Netflix one day, and I'll probably hate myself for it.

 

[Piper Maru]

I'll see an edited version of it on TV one day.

 

[spider-neil]

AoA reshoots in January. Inserting a cameo from a certain wallcrawler?

 

[harryoscop]

AoA reshoots in January. Inserting a cameo from a certain wallcrawler?

 

[OriginalMiles]

No.

Because we know who's taking part in those reshoots.