Homecoming What should they do with the Spidey franchise? - Part 2

[Moridin]

Why Marvel Doesn't Need Spider-Man to Make 'Captain America: Civil War'

They don't need him generally, they want him though. If the right opportunity crops up they'll be all over that like Tallahassee on a Twinky.

 

[Demileto]

I think there are elements in Spider-Man that would be better served on TV and others in film. Favoring TV would be the potential for a take more focused on the development of Peter's day to day life, with a supporting cast not nearly as restricted as the one we've seen in Sony's movies. Favoring movies would be the greater resources available to showcase Spidey's swinging and the CGI-demanding villains like Venom, Carnage, Lizard, Electro, Sandman, Hydroman, and the like. In short, TV favors Peter the man while movies favor Peter the hero.

Which one do I think would be better for Spidey? Both, actually. Ideally for me Spider-man would be adapted into a short season, 8-10 episode TV show whose storylines would always pave the way for a movie every two or three years. This approach would allow the character's movies to potentially skip those obligatory villain origin segments that always take a lot of time and begin almost immediately with the action.

No idea if this would be viable. It worked for Agents of SHIELD, but this would be a whole new level of movie/TV story integration. Who knows?

 

[NewYorkSpider]

As far as a Spider-Man TV show goes, I wouldn't mind seeing a prequel to Marvel's Spider-Man that involved Peter's parents Richard and Mary Parker. This way you could introduce some of Spider-Man's lower rouge villains like Hammerhead, Silvermane, Tombstone and Spencer Smythe, while saving the big ones for the movies.

Could take place like 20 years before the movies.

 

[BatsDC]

This is how I'd do it. And yes, this is drawing heavily from the animated series of the same name.

The Spectacular Spider-Man - 2017

Establish a teen Spidey (15-17) who has only recently gotten powers. Takes down petty criminals Flint Marko and Alex O'Hirn in the beginning. Establish his supporting cast - his crush Gwen, his best friend Harry, and Flash, Liz, Aunt May, etc. We also establish Peter's job taking pictures for the Bugle. Meanwhile, Norman Osborn is developing a new 'super soldier' program, with gliders and armour. When a test goes wrong and Spidey uncovers the wreckage, Norman hires thug Herman Shultz, who Spidey had formerly taken out, to deal with him, giving him a special suit. The two fight and Spidey wins, and Herman reveals that Osborn hired him. Meanwhile his double life is worsening his personal life - he is late for classes, and never sees Harry. A school dance approaches, and Peter finally finds the courage to ask Gwen, who accepts, and they enter a relationship. Spidey soon uncovers Norman's plans to arm the mob with his new technology, only to crush them with an enhanced super serum and be hailed a hero. Norman discovers this, and dons the suit, glider + serum to take down Spidey himself. They fight, and Peter deduces it is Osborn in the suit, only for Osborn to unmask him, before he escapes. Peter, realising his personal life is in danger, chooses to go after him rather than meet with Gwen. He finds Osborn, who, being driven insane by the serum, threatens to kill his friends and family should he expose his secret. The two fight again and Peter eventually wins, however police interrupt, and he flees. We then wrap up with Norman disappearing, his plans being found out by the public. Gwen breaks up with Peter at school due to his double life meaning he never saw her. Peter refuses to go to the dance as he doesn't have a date, only for Aunt May to invite next door's niece, Mary Jane Watson, to be his date. Peter opens the door, and we end on "face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot."

Very rough ideas, but something like that. I know lots of people wouldn't want to see the Green Goblin again so soon, but we haven't see the character properly since 2002 (or ever, depending on your viewpoint).

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I think there are elements in Spider-Man that would be better served on TV and others in film. Favoring TV would be the potential for a take more focused on the development of Peter's day to day life, with a supporting cast not nearly as restricted as the one we've seen in Sony's movies. Favoring movies would be the greater resources available to showcase Spidey's swinging and the CGI-demanding villains like Venom, Carnage, Lizard, Electro, Sandman, Hydroman, and the like. In short, TV favors Peter the man while movies favor Peter the hero.

Which one do I think would be better for Spidey? Both, actually. Ideally for me Spider-man would be adapted into a short season, 8-10 episode TV show whose storylines would always pave the way for a movie every two or three years. This approach would allow the character's movies to potentially skip those obligatory villain origin segments that always take a lot of time and begin almost immediately with the action.

No idea if this would be viable. It worked for Agents of SHIELD, but this would be a whole new level of movie/TV story integration. Who knows?

 

[JOE]

Respectively disagree. Spiderman source material is tailor made for TV.Look at how good Spectacular was.Imagine if it had been Live action.

As long as you're okay with sacrificing the CGI.

 

[BatsDC]

Some TV shows have big enough budgets to do good effects. Spidey himself doesn't need a HUGE budget, and only a handful of his villains need film-level budgets.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

As long as you're okay with sacrificing the CGI.

I'm ok sacrificing it for a better story, especially when not only did a lot of TASM2 look like a game, but a lot of CGI also ages a film.

Plus apparently Marco Polos budget was $90 million, I think Spidey could have over 100 mill budget for 8-10 episodes.

It could still look amazing

 

[WBwins]

As long as you're okay with sacrificing the CGI.

That wont happen on a Netflix budget.

 

[JOE]

That wont happen on a Netflix budget.

People are used to seeing Spider-Man with no expenses spared. Do you think they're ready for that transition?

 

[WBwins]

People are used to seeing Spider-Man with no expenses spared. Do you think they're ready for that transition?

Yes because
1.An MCU wrritten Spiderman will have an awesome story
2.Netflix budgets are huge enough to make the effects very movie like.
3.Only a handful Spiderman villains require HUGE effects.
4. Spiderman will also have a movie series alongside the Tv one.

 

[harryoscop]

I think there are elements in Spider-Man that would be better served on TV and others in film. Favoring TV would be the potential for a take more focused on the development of Peter's day to day life, with a supporting cast not nearly as restricted as the one we've seen in Sony's movies. Favoring movies would be the greater resources available to showcase Spidey's swinging and the CGI-demanding villains like Venom, Carnage, Lizard, Electro, Sandman, Hydroman, and the like. In short, TV favors Peter the man while movies favor Peter the hero.

Which one do I think would be better for Spidey? Both, actually. Ideally for me Spider-man would be adapted into a short season, 8-10 episode TV show whose storylines would always pave the way for a movie every two or three years. This approach would allow the character's movies to potentially skip those obligatory villain origin segments that always take a lot of time and begin almost immediately with the action.

No idea if this would be viable. It worked for Agents of SHIELD, but this would be a whole new level of movie/TV story integration. Who knows?

This could work

This is how I'd do it. And yes, this is drawing heavily from the animated series of the same name.

The Spectacular Spider-Man - 2017

Establish a teen Spidey (15-17) who has only recently gotten powers. Takes down petty criminals Flint Marko and Alex O'Hirn in the beginning. Establish his supporting cast - his crush Gwen, his best friend Harry, and Flash, Liz, Aunt May, etc. We also establish Peter's job taking pictures for the Bugle. Meanwhile, Norman Osborn is developing a new 'super soldier' program, with gliders and armour. When a test goes wrong and Spidey uncovers the wreckage, Norman hires thug Herman Shultz, who Spidey had formerly taken out, to deal with him, giving him a special suit. The two fight and Spidey wins, and Herman reveals that Osborn hired him. Meanwhile his double life is worsening his personal life - he is late for classes, and never sees Harry. A school dance approaches, and Peter finally finds the courage to ask Gwen, who accepts, and they enter a relationship. Spidey soon uncovers Norman's plans to arm the mob with his new technology, only to crush them with an enhanced super serum and be hailed a hero. Norman discovers this, and dons the suit, glider + serum to take down Spidey himself. They fight, and Peter deduces it is Osborn in the suit, only for Osborn to unmask him, before he escapes. Peter, realising his personal life is in danger, chooses to go after him rather than meet with Gwen. He finds Osborn, who, being driven insane by the serum, threatens to kill his friends and family should he expose his secret. The two fight again and Peter eventually wins, however police interrupt, and he flees. We then wrap up with Norman disappearing, his plans being found out by the public. Gwen breaks up with Peter at school due to his double life meaning he never saw her. Peter refuses to go to the dance as he doesn't have a date, only for Aunt May to invite next door's niece, Mary Jane Watson, to be his date. Peter opens the door, and we end on "face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot."

Very rough ideas, but something like that. I know lots of people wouldn't want to see the Green Goblin again so soon, but we haven't see the character properly since 2002 (or ever, depending on your viewpoint).

I like the way this sounds

 

[WBwins]

I think there are elements in Spider-Man that would be better served on TV and others in film. Favoring TV would be the potential for a take more focused on the development of Peter's day to day life, with a supporting cast not nearly as restricted as the one we've seen in Sony's movies. Favoring movies would be the greater resources available to showcase Spidey's swinging and the CGI-demanding villains like Venom, Carnage, Lizard, Electro, Sandman, Hydroman, and the like. In short, TV favors Peter the man while movies favor Peter the hero.

Which one do I think would be better for Spidey? Both, actually. Ideally for me Spider-man would be adapted into a short season, 8-10 episode TV show whose storylines would always pave the way for a movie every two or three years. This approach would allow the character's movies to potentially skip those obligatory villain origin segments that always take a lot of time and begin almost immediately with the action.

No idea if this would be viable. It worked for Agents of SHIELD, but this would be a whole new level of movie/TV story integration. Who knows?

Exactly what I was suggesting.A Spiderman tv series AND movie series

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I said this on the other thread similar to this one, but I would have a 2017 netflix series, where Peter is a year into being Spidey, the first episode is him fighting common criminals, then he begins to meet Shocker, Chameleon, Vulture Black Cat, in episode 7 he discovers they all work for Kingpin. Then he meets up with Daredevil, where you could have a great dynamic between the two as they work completely different from one another, then along with Black Cat they take down Kingpin.

Make that the main arc, then have the side stories, with Gwen, Flash JJ, Harry high school, add in Eddie towards the end.

Then the story can continue in the films with the first film Spidey vs Kraven (who could kill Gwen in this one), then in the second Eddie becomes Venom. Then the third either Green Goblin or Carnage.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah that 8-10 ep show idea in addition to a movie is a great dream, but that's about it.
-I dont know where WBWins got the idea that Netflix shows have a high budget. Or at least high enough budget for Spider-Man. I think that's ludicrous.
Even with the villains that don't cost that much money you still have Green Goblin, Venom, and more. They can't be half assed. I see a lot of benefits of a tv show, but I dont think Spidey will translate well to live action tv. Story wise sure, but as an overall project it's not a good idea

And having then having a tv series that has villains introduced but then having the villain show up in the movie series is a bad idea.
One last thing: Having actors appear on both movies and a tv series is a huge commitment that would limit the talent attracted to the project. It would take maybe 5 months to film 1 movie and then another 80-100 days, give or take, to film the tv episodes. That's more than half the year

Why AoS works is because youre not required to watch the movies to enjoy the show or vice versa. With a Spider-Man show that would probably be the case.
Just focus on a movie series.

-On a movie series I think the best thing to do would have it open on Parker's junior year. He had his powers since like March or something, but he didnt become Spider-Man till the summer. Basically how the Spectacular Spider-Man Tv Show started

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

This can't be real. I refuse to believe this. http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-sonys-secret-list-of-superheros-2014-12

From the list below, you can see that Sony wanted some characters, while others were flat-out rejected. We pulled out some of the best:

Santa Claus Burglar

This character appeared in a single Spider-Man comic in the mid-1980s. He was a burglar who disguised himself as Santa Claus and persuaded children to tell him where they lived. He was defeated by the actual Santa Claus.
Sony really wanted the rights to Santa Claus Burglar. His name appears on a 2011 internal document titled "Disputed characters list."

Pretty sure this is the issue with a sunglasses wearing, gun totting Santa on the cover.

 

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

As far as a Spider-Man TV show goes, I wouldn't mind seeing a prequel to Marvel's Spider-Man that involved Peter's parents Richard and Mary Parker. This way you could introduce some of Spider-Man's lower rouge villains like Hammerhead, Silvermane, Tombstone and Spencer Smythe, while saving the big ones for the movies.

Could take place like 20 years before the movies.

Hmm, I could see Richard and Mary Parker being mentioned on Agents of Shield and become a spin off mini series like Agent Carter

 

[Stormz96]

This can't be real. I refuse to believe this. http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-sonys-secret-list-of-superheros-2014-12


Pretty sure this is the issue with a sunglasses wearing, gun totting Santa on the cover.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Yeah. I can't imagine why Sony would want to use that character in their movies.

 

[Flint Marko]

Theres... No way, there's no way Sony is dumb enough to want Hypno-Hustler even as a possibility in their future films.
That's just... WOW. I mean they've been getting a lot of crap for clearly not knowing what they are doing, but DAMN. That is bad.

 

[spider-neil]

The effects on a TV show Spider-Man would be a nightmare.

Wall crawling.
Web swinging.
Super Strength.
Super Agility.
And that's just Spider-Man himself not his villains.
Then there are the costs for shooting in New York.

Flash is easily achieved as he simply runs real quick.

 

[blake c]

Yeah, I'm really against the TV show idea. Even in The Flash, Barry's powers are dumbed down because of special effects. I do not want that with Spidey

 

[Demileto]

And having then having a tv series that has villains introduced but then having the villain show up in the movie series is a bad idea.

Depends on the villain, really. Villains like Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom and Lizard can hold a movie on their own and so shouldn't be wasted on a TV series, but guys like Shocker, Rhino, Scorpion and 616 versions of Electro and Sandman? They're little more than glorified henchman, I'd totally give them Agents of SHIELD's treatment of Absorbing Man, introducing them already empowered, no need for a stinkin' origin story.

One last thing: Having actors appear on both movies and a tv series is a huge commitment that would limit the talent attracted to the project. It would take maybe 5 months to film 1 movie and then another 80-100 days, give or take, to film the tv episodes. That's more than half the year

Yeah, the actors' extensive commitment is partly why I suggested 8-10 episodes for a potential series. Of course, they wouldn't necessarily have to cram filming for a TV series and a movie in the same year, they could have years 1 and 2 for series, 3 for movie, 4 and 5 for serie, 6 for movie and so on.

Why AoS works is because youre not required to watch the movies to enjoy the show or vice versa. With a Spider-Man show that would probably be the case.

You're not required to watch all previous Marvel movies to watch The Avengers either, though it enhances your experience if you do so, I'd think the same would happen to a Spider-Man movie in that situation.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

The effects on a TV show Spider-Man would be a nightmare.

Wall crawling.
Web swinging.
Super Strength.
Super Agility.
And that's just Spider-Man himself not his villains.
Then there are the costs for shooting in New York.

Flash is easily achieved as he simply runs real quick.

Wall crawling? That's simple, crawl on the floor and tilt the camera.

Effects have been easier and cheaper than they have been. I've seen decent effects on TV.

And, as much as I would wat them to, they wouldn't shoot in NYC except for a few exteriors.

 

[Tymminator]

I don't see any of those being a problem for decent effects except for possibly the swinging. strength and speed will not be a problem.