The Dark Knight What the sides and filming point to as plot/JOKER

[Nepenthes]

It would have to be done well. There has been no definitive Joker origin (excluding the forthcoming Confidential storyline) so far in the comics, and I do like the idea of no backstory. While not suggesting I want the Joker to be like either of the, Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs era) and John Doe are two of the best screen villains of recent times, and neither had an extensive backstory, indeed Doe had none at all, while giving Hannibal one inf the following movies cheapened the character, IMO.

But it's not definitive,that's the point. It satisfies the audience and narrative with a hypothetical that would reveal much that is true about the character, but maybe not 'what actually happened'. It's using a 'buried mobster' (which we've already received hints about) to do the same thing as Killing Joke.

You're right on Hannibal and John Doe, but this doesn't have to be very extensive at all. He was a mobster, he got buried in a dump, that's all. The real value of an origin is it helps drives the story, so that will set the limits of what we need to know.

You could also argue that the Joker is just a slightly stranger or more intriguing character than Doe or Hannibal, and the audience might feel jipped if they're left without even a crumb to get by on. And I don't think conveying his just present day madness is enough to explain who he is, we need to see how he got there, even if its hypothetical.

 

[Silver Souper]

i agree with cipher, if he's wearin a mask no need to waste makeup, specially if there is no certain look yet, maybe they will shoot the scene with the joker in the coming days, if so, would the do any official photography to release a promo pic of the joker? would be an ideal time i think, especially if they dont wana chance a pic leaked on the net

it's been said already but again why is his hair not green-tinted and his clothes all black? that's not very joker-esque.

 

[Victarion]

If a pre-accident Joker crashes a bus into a bank, then escaps via zipline, I'd be interested to see the full-on Joker's idea of theatricality.

 

[Miranda Fox]

it's been said already but again why is his hair not green-tinted and his clothes all black? that's not very joker-esque.

Fair question, but they apparently covered the windows later on - parts of it could just have been a rehearsal.

 

[Victarion]

Fair question, but they put they apparently covered the windows later on - parts of it could just have been a rehearsal.

Best theory I've heard so far.

Plus, isn't the Joker's creator a consultant on this film?

 

[Miranda Fox]

Best theory I've heard so far.

Plus, isn't the Joker's creator a consultant on this film?

Yes, he is.

 

[Victarion]

I suppose this'll be like the "there's something in his eye!" mess of the Spidey 3 boards.

I wonder if Joker will have Crane working for him...

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

Yes, he is.

Bill Finger and Victor Hugo are both dead. So is Bob Kane. The one consulting is the guy suggesting that the Joker should look like that of the cards.

 

[Rynan]

Yes, he is.

Jerry Mother****ing Robinson.

You can't get closer to the source material than that.

 

[typeorocks]

I wish the joker would just appear as the joker and no back story...no fake history or name.

 

[Victarion]

Flashbacks in part 3 would be great. Maybe he could soften up a certain doctor at Arkham with his sob story. Sadly, when she decides to take pity and help him escape, he kills her after escaping with something like, "Joke's on you." or something.

Forgive me, for I'm terrible at coming up with decent lines.

 

[Rynan]

Bill Finger and Victor Hugo are both dead. So is Bob Kane. The one consulting is the guy suggesting that the Joker should look like that of the cards.

Yes. For we all know how die hard these early comic book creators were about their suggestions.

It's called a creative team. It consisted of Robinson, Finger and Kane. TOGETHER they created these characters, not just one man.

And I bet it's sure of hell a lot better having someone from that team's input than having none of their input.

 

[typeorocks]

nolan should have asked the fans what they wanted!!!

 

[Rynan]

nolan should have asked the fans what they wanted!!!

The history of this board has taught me well that NOBODY wants what the fans want, not even the fans themselves.

Need I tell you of the infamous "Joker Rape" incident? That alone justifies my conclusion.

 

[typeorocks]

I agree rynan...It would have been nice to say hey fans I want imput on the joker that you wanna see. Goffy clown, scary, mobster, ect ect ect

But regardless I'm sure its gonna work and be great. He didn't let katie holmes annoy on-screen in BB. And That was my biggest fear.

 

[Rynan]

It would have been nice to say hey fans I want imput on the joker that you wanna see. Goffy clown, scary, mobster, ect ect ect

Asking for the fans input may be a noble endeavor and great way to stir up support, but treating it seriously is like putting a baby in a ****** asylum. Some them will accept the baby, some of them will ignore the baby and some of them would beat the baby into floor jell-o. Such is the way of fans.

We don't know what we want until we're forced to see it.

 

[Silver Souper]

Fair question, but they apparently covered the windows later on - parts of it could just have been a rehearsal.

cool! i actually hope it was a rehearsal i'd rather do without the backstory but was speculating as to why ledger was jokerless.

 

[slappy]

Guys, don't delude yourselves, if there's dolly track and crew and full show light set-ups they're rolling film. They'll rehearse dolly movement before the take but they're in there shooting.

 

[Silver Souper]

so then how do we explain a normal heath ledger? i'm sticking with my theory.

 

[slappy]

At this point it's impossible to know. There's no doubt, based on the reports, that they were rolling in there though.

 

[Bond]

I don't know, slappy. I'm sticking by Silver Souper's theory.

 

[Silver Souper]

well, we can at least assume that he's not the joker we know in every frame of the film. meaning some origin will exist

 

[Silver Souper]

I don't know, slappy. I'm sticking by Silver Souper's theory.

thank you good sir!

 

[slappy]

This film is expensive enough. If all that equipment and manpower is down there working, stuff is being shot. Whether it's just for the trailer and they're not going to show Ledger's face or not, they are shooting in there.

 

[Silver Souper]

right but again- trailer footage is film footage. this scene will be in the final film most likely. i doubt they are shooting an origin seperate from the film entirely and i don't get why his hair would be normally colored. even if it's the "mask reveal shot over joker's shoulder" we'd expect to see his hair color from behind.