Days of Future Past What you didn't like about X-Men:DOFP - Flaws/Critiques

[Heretic]

If it didn't happen in the movie, it didn't happen. In fact, MOST people still dont stick around for the credits, so you'd still better reinforce any plot points made in a future film. Having it in deleted DVD scenes or mentioned in a director's commentary track is like it not happening at all.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think Xavier gaining the ability to walk again was a flaw. But it worked well in context so I don't mind it so much.

 

[Eddie]

The setup scene in the classroom was not a deleted scene. It was absolutely in the main movie, and the comatose guy is visibly Patrick Stewart if you pay close attention. They SHOULD have brought this up in DoFP or The Wolverine, but it is there.

That Brett Ratner. Too subtle for his own good.

Edit: This is pretty blurry, but here's comatose guy from TLS. It's Patrick Stewart.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb..._Last_Stand_-_P_Xavier_(Earth-10005)_0001.jpg

 

[Havok83]

I don't see how that's clearly PS. Even on bluray the face is not something one can make out and when they do get close to his face, they do not show it

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

-The framerate. It didn't look like 24 to me and it kept taking me out of the movie.

-Jennifer Lawrence.

-The main Xavier/Mystique/Magneto dynamic/story. The climax wasn't very interesting from a character/thematic pov, and there was no real resolution with young Charles. I get that we can infer it from seeing new Old Charles, but I think I needed to Young Charles back in his status quo to get more of a sense of catharsis. Instead, we get that with Wolverine (who didn't have much of a character struggle in the movie).

-The Stadium climax wasn't terribly satisfying from a 'setpiece'/action standpoint. He moves a stadium and commands the sentinels and nothing really happens. Magneto just leaves and there isn't a huge sense of triumph. I was really expecting to see some mutants throwing down with sentinels in that stadium battle-ground. Xavier is all about his positive influence on groups of mutants, so it would have been nice to see him command a group during that scene, using his telepathy powers which he learned to embrace again in order to successfully guide them. When mutants fall in the line of battle, Xavier, having grown as a character, manages to deal other mutants' pain and continues on.

-Missed opportunities with Wolverine's character and the Wolverine/Xavier relationship. I think we could have had a line/scene before Wolvy begins time-travelling where it's acknowledged that if he's successful, the Xavier he knows (and everyone else he knows) will be gone. There could have been a final handshake or acknowledgement of Xavier's guidance before he agrees to go. I know that they didn't want to give Wolvy the meaty 'conflicted' character stuff throughout the movie, but the situation seems to call for it, and I think they could have given him...something. Him getting to see Jean again was great, but I wish his story before that was more connected to that thematically.

 

[Havok83]

-The framerate. It didn't look like 24 to me and it kept taking me out of the movie.

-Jennifer Lawrence.

-The main Xavier/Mystique/Magneto dynamic/story. The climax wasn't very interesting from a character/thematic pov, and there was no real resolution.

-The Stadium climax wasn't terribly satisfying from a 'setpiece'/action standpoint. He moves a stadium and commands the sentinels and nothing really happens. Magneto just leaves and there isn't a huge sense of triumph. I was really expecting to see some mutants throwing down with sentinels in that stadium battle-ground.

-Missed opportunities with Wolverine's character and the Wolverine/Xavier relationship. I think we could have had a line/scene before Wolvy begins time-travelling where it's acknowledged that if he's successful, the Xavier he knows (and everyone else he knows) will be gone. There could have been a final handshake or acknowledgement of Xavier's guidance before he agrees to go. I know that they didn't want to give Wolvy the meaty 'conflicted' character stuff throughout the movie, but the situation seems to call for it, and I think they could have given him...something. Him getting to see Jean again was great, but I wish his story before that was more connected to that thematically.

but the Xavier he knew wasn't gone nor would he be by what he didn't. The assassination in1973 didn't shape the man that Xavier would eventually become. The effects of that event doesn't start to become apparent until after X3. Its not like going back in the past was going to set Xavier down a different path in life. That wasn't what this was about

 

[Eddie]

I don't see how that's clearly PS. Even on bluray the face is not something one can make out and when they do get close to his face, they do not show it

Patrick Stewart has a very distinctive hairy chest.

Even if you can't make it out, though, it has been confirmed that Patrick Stewart filmed those scenes in secret. It's also his voice in the post credit scene. That alone should have made it obvious enough. In DoFP we hear the regular voices of the people Charles "possesses" when he's talking to Mystique at the airport.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm not sure if this has been talked about, but I wasn't sure on how the Young Charles Xavier could "transport" his conscious into the future, by means of using Logan's mind, when Kitty said that Professor X's mind would not be able to take that kind of strain.

 

[Havok83]

Patrick Stewart has a very distinctive hairy chest.

Even if you can't make it out, though, it has been confirmed that Patrick Stewart filmed those scenes in secret. It's also his voice in the post credit scene. That alone should have made it obvious enough. In DoFP we hear the regular voices of the people Charles "possesses" when he's talking to Mystique at the airport.

Well obviously its Xavier in the mind of the patient. The voice was a giveaway, but i they didn't say or make it clear that it was some twin in that scene. They specifically avoided showing the face which would have shut down a lot of speculation. As it stands, this is a dangling plotline in the movieverse that may or may not be resolved.

I'm not sure if this has been talked about, but I wasn't sure on how the Young Charles Xavier could "transport" his conscious into the future, by means of using Logan's mind, when Kitty said that Professor X's mind would not be able to take that kind of strain.

He only crossed time for like 2 minutes. That's hardly the same thing as living in the past for a few days/week as Wolverine did for the duration of the film.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

but the Xavier he knew wasn't gone nor would he be by what he didn't. The assassination in1973 didn't shape the man that Xavier would eventually become. The effects of that event doesn't start to become apparent until after X3. Its not like going back in the past was going to set Xavier down a different path in life. That wasn't what this was about

But Wolverine had no idea what the new future would be like.

New Xavier could have been killed in the stadium scene or at any other point during his life.

 

[Herolee10]

He only crossed time for like 2 minutes. That's hardly the same thing as living in the past for a few days/week as Wolverine did for the duration of the film.

Possibly. I've heard another theory on how, since Young Charles was technically using Wolverine's mind to piggyback into the future, he was spared from being inflicted any mental strain due to the vessel still being Logan's body, which could regenerate constantly.

 

[Shatterpoint]

- killing off Emma Frost! i hate Bryan Singer for that. seriously, he couldn't just have 1 shot ... just 1 shot of Emma in a prison somewhere to hint that she could come back in the future movies.

- cutting Rogue's future scenes. again, a couple of shots of her would have been nice.

- future sentinel's powers are based on Mystique's ability? In X1, Mystique copied Wolverine's appearance and adamantium claws and when they fought, her claws got sliced off like flesh. obviously they needed to make JLaw's character relavant/important because she's JLaw. That's the only explanation.

- not a lot of mutant vs sentinel action in the 70's. it's basically just 1 sentinel vs wolverine and beast (and magneto eventually). if they kept all the FC mutants it would've been awesome to see angel, banshee, emma, azazel & riptide fight the rest of the sentinels. and maybe they could kill angel or riptide there to make it more dramatic.

 

[CB Fan]

Did we officially see Emma in those photos? If not she may only be thought to be dead but really isn't. I find it hard to believe a telepath like her could be taken out so easily.

I just got back from another viewing with my mom and brother. They both agreed that the action was lackluster in this film.

 

[Heretic]

You don't say that a mostly overlooked, not well liked character is dead and then bring them back 2 or 3 movies later. If she were alive, they should have addressed it in a credits scene or something...maybe show her and some other escaped mutants hiding out. Her character is not loved enough by audiences for them to pull a fast one in a future film.

 

[CB Fan]

Her character isn't well known but it could still happen otherwise where was her photo amongst the others? I'm not some fan of Emma Frost nor J.Jones but the possibility is still there.

 

[Heretic]

It's a stupid possibility. They took the time in the film to call her dead. She should be dead. I like the character and all in the comics (except that I cant stand that she joined the X-Men) but she wasn't a great character and she's being referred to as being dead. There are other characters that they can use instead, as the X-Men has a MASSIVE roster of members and villains.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I'm not sure if this has been talked about, but I wasn't sure on how the Young Charles Xavier could "transport" his conscious into the future, by means of using Logan's mind, when Kitty said that Professor X's mind would not be able to take that kind of strain.

Well the question could also be since when did Kitty ever have those powers in the first place?

The only powers we've previously seen her with is the ability to run through walls.

That sort of power seems more like something maybe jean grey would have?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Still doesn't explain why the Sentinels had ability which resembled Rogues and not Mystiques. Since when has Mystique had the ability to replicate other mutants powers?

- future sentinel's powers are based on Mystique's ability? In X1, Mystique copied Wolverine's appearance and adamantium claws and when they fought, her claws got sliced off like flesh. obviously they needed to make JLaw's character relavant/important because she's JLaw. That's the only explanation.

Agreed with both these posts.

Did they? Mystique has the ability to shapeshift and that's what the sentinels were able to do. We saw them fight Blink, Bishop, Kitty, Colossus, Iceman, Sunspot, Magneto, Storm and Warpath. Who's powers did they replicate?

White Queen's diamond form. Lady Deathstrike's claws. Darwin's rock form.

They didn't replicate mutant powers. They adapted to them.

The Sentinels weren't meant to be Mystique clones. They definitely took her abilities further as they could change more than just their appearance.

If anything they were more like Darwin from First Class. Even a bit of Apocalypse as it was said that they could change their size and shape, they often turned their arms into weapons.

In the comics Nimrod had the ability to learn from each encounter. The same technique couldn't be used against him twice.

Then why make a big deal out of Trask getting Mystique's DNA and experimenting on her when the X-men should have been more concerned about Trask abducting Darwin? LOL

To me it's less of a "more mature" feel and more of a "we're full of ourselves" feel to this franchise.

You really hate these movies don't you.

 

[EvilMutant]

My only gripe is that wolvie didn't get a proper fight.

 

[The Hill]

- Jean is alive. She should be either in the ground or at the bottom of the lake.
- Wolverine (and Stryker) not in 'Nam. This could mean the Adamantium bonding didn't happen.
- Jean being alive meaning Logan didn't have a self imposed exile that lead to his adventures in Japan.
-Logan having Adamantium Claws in the future.

+Magneto owning Wolverine for the third time even without the metal bones. t: Made all the gripes worth it.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

And regarding Xavier walking, I didn't like the idea behind it before I saw the movie, but the movie really sold me on it. The drug addiction angle and his difficult choice made it a very crucial element to Xavier's character. Well done movie.

I didn't mind the idea of Charles walking before the movie came out, but I don't like the way they ended up completely glossing over his loss of legs at the end FC in the process and basically making his motivations all over the shop. He tells Erik that he's not taking the serum for the sake of walking... so what he was basically okay with being paralysed and being able to walk from taking serum was just a nifty bonus? And he has no issues whatsoever with being in the wheelchair again? And as if everything he's lost wasn't enough, the movie also needed to tack on the bit about Xavier losing his teachers/students to Vietnam War - apparently the event that finally broke him - which happens offscreen and is never brought up again?

Plus the whole "I'm taking serum to suppress my powers" doesn't make sense - if he didn't want to use telepathy couldn't he just, well, not use it? There was no indication in the previous movies that Charles is some kind of powerless receptor for other people's thoughts - his telepathy was always shown as something he has to make an effort to switch on. So all that stuff about him hearing voices when the serum is wearing off made zero sense to me. And whose pain was he going to pick up on exactly when he's a total recluse in his secluded mansion with only Hank around?

Oh and obviously all that stuff about Trask's prosthetic limbs is there in the movie, judging by the painting in his office where he's handing a kid in a wheelchair a prosthetic leg. So what need is there for Xavier to be in a wheelchair anyway?

 

[X-Maniac]

I didn't like Magneto's costume in the 70s. That weird half-cape, the baggy pants and the pink-ish colouring for the breast-plate. Nope. Needs a redesign!

 

[Havok83]

Plus the whole "I'm taking serum to suppress my powers" doesn't make sense - if he didn't want to use telepathy couldn't he just, well, not use it? There was no indication in the previous movies that Charles is some kind of powerless receptor for other people's thoughts - his telepathy was always shown as something he has to make an effort to switch on. So all that stuff about him hearing voices when the serum is wearing off made zero sense to me. And whose pain was he going to pick up on exactly when he's a total recluse in his secluded mansion with only Hank around?

the movie made it very clear that Charles fell into a depression and doing so took a toll on his mind which involved losing control of his powers

White Queen's diamond form. Lady Deathstrike's claws. Darwin's rock form.

those powers weren't replicated from those mutants in the way Rogue uses her powers. The sentinels did not fight and steal their powers. All those characters were dead by the time these sentinels were finalized and put into use. Trask had done experimentation on dozens of mutants and had their DNA and as such those abilities were likely programmed into the sentinels along with Mystiques. Those who were continuing the research could have taken Deathstrike's body to add to their collection of DNA. All Mystique's powers allowed the sentinels to do was shape shift their mechanical bodies into different forms (diamond, rock) and shapes (claws, that impaler) , making it all that much more efficient and possible with her abilities added to augment them

Well the question could also be since when did Kitty ever have those powers in the first place?

The only powers we've previously seen her with is the ability to run through walls.

That sort of power seems more like something maybe jean grey would have?

she had two very brief cameos in the first two film with the third getting some focus. Yes all she could do back then was phase through space, but in the 15+ years since then, her powers evolved. Thats not to hard to believe bc we last saw her as a young inexperienced teenager. There us a large gap where she learned to adapt her powers to phasing through time as well. It works within context of the film and I dont think its too hard to believe. Within the books, there's precedent for mutants developing new abilities later in life and its usually triggered by traumatic life or death situations, which she'd likely have faced being hunted by the sentinels

 

[X-Maniac]

White Queen's diamond form. Lady Deathstrike's claws. Darwin's rock form.

It couldn't have been from Darwin. He exploded in First Class, there was nothing left for Trask to use.

It must be from another mutant.

 

[BlackFox]

It couldn't have been from Darwin. He exploded in First Class, there was nothing left for Trask to use.

It must be from another mutant.

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