The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die? - Part 1

[pr0xyt0xin]

Okay. But the similarity is still there. Better to avoid it entirely? I should think so. Best not to compare? Most definitely.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Okay. But the similarity is still there. Better to avoid it entirely? I should think so. Best not to compare? Most definitely.

that's actually the worst thing you can do when creating a movie.. is worry about all the movies in the past it could be compared to... the more you worry about things like that, the more restricted you become to story telling and the less you actually worry about what you're trying to create.

countless movie series kill off characters... many in the 2nd film.. it's absolutely ludicrous to worry about (EXTREMELY irrational) comparisons.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

extremely irrational though they may be, you have obviously come across MANY who are making that/those irrational comparison(s). MANY of whom are die hard fans of comics, batman, spider-man, film in general, etc. Therefore its obviously on many people's minds. Its true the film makers shouldn't let previous films influence their decisions. But then why haven't we seen more carbon copies of TDK and other well made films in the genre? After all, if they did it right before, why fix what isn't broken?

They have to separate themselves from the pack, to keep us interested, entertained and keep our wallets lubricated. So if they decide to avoid something used by a previous film in the genre, kudos. I, for one, like to see new things.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Say Marc Webb had never seen TDK. And he had the idea to have Green Goblin terrorize new york, possibly just for the fun of it. Then in his rampage, he causes an accident at Oscorp and Gwen is killed. The same accident turns Max Dillon into Electro, who wants revenge on all those responsible, including Spider-Man and the police commissioner...

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...okay too far. but would you really be okay with all that? It would be a phenomenal storyline, had it not already been done in 2008. No?

 

[Spideyman123]

Another Emma Stone Interview About Spider-man http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...ing-for-spider-man-2-and-the-other-gwen-stacy

 

[Picard Sisko]

Say Marc Webb had never seen TDK. And he had the idea to have Green Goblin terrorize new york, possibly just for the fun of it. Then in his rampage, he causes an accident at Oscorp and Gwen is killed. The same accident turns Max Dillon into Electro, who wants revenge on all those responsible, including Spider-Man and the police commissioner...

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...okay too far. but would you really be okay with all that? It would be a phenomenal storyline, had it not already been done in 2008. No?

You're right. You are taking this way too far. And honestly, just hypothetically, if Marc Webb never saw TDK, someone at Sony would have seen it and would have made sure they don't have that many similarities.

The only similarity that would probably happen is that the love interest would be killed in the second movie. Sorry pr0xyt0xin, but you are overanalyzing this way too much. And it does seem more likely like Gwen would be killed in TASM3. If people still compare it to TDK, that is stupidity. That's like Spider-Man fans going around saying that Nolan copied the Death of Gwen Stacy storyline from the comic books because he killed off Rachel. Or better yet, claiming that Superman II copied Amazing Spider-Man #50 (Spider-Man No More).

 

[spideyboy_1111]

extremely irrational though they may be, you have obviously come across MANY who are making that/those irrational comparison(s). MANY of whom are die hard fans of comics, batman, spider-man, film in general, etc. Therefore its obviously on many people's minds. Its true the film makers shouldn't let previous films influence their decisions. But then why haven't we seen more carbon copies of TDK and other well made films in the genre? After all, if they did it right before, why fix what isn't broken?

They have to separate themselves from the pack, to keep us interested, entertained and keep our wallets lubricated. So if they decide to avoid something used by a previous film in the genre, kudos. I, for one, like to see new things.

*cough cough skyfall*

That being said..... Not killing off a character because another film did it is beyond ridiculous

 

[Picard Sisko]

*cough cough skyfall*

That being said..... Not killing off a character because another film did it is beyond ridiculous

Its obsurd. Not only another film, but a film from a completely unrelated franchise that was made over 4 years ago (will be 6 years by the time TASM2 comes out, 8 for TASM3).

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

*cough cough skyfall*

That being said..... Not killing off a character because another film did it is beyond ridiculous

good point about Skyfall. While still a good movie, I definitely got that vibe as well. Now if it had come out before TDK? who knows...

And you're right. Not killing off a character because another film did it is beyond ridiculous. But we are talking about killing off the primary love interest in film 2 to replace her with a more publicly known love interest in film 3. And stalling the death of gwen stacy for that reason (among others*) is indeed a sound plan, imo.

*Other reasons including Emma Stone's value and talent as an actress. Wanting to see more development between her and Peter. Green Goblin needing to be the one to kill her. The doom and gloom already surrounding ASM with the deaths of two major innocent characters in one film. And probably others that better, or rather, more interested men can point out (and yes i stole that from batman begins).

 

[spideyboy_1111]

No matter what this, iron man 3, Thor 2, cap2 etc... Does.... Nolanites will make up stupid reasons to compare it... You can't worry about minuscule crap like that. Especially when a nolanite comparison is inevitable

 

[Picard Sisko]

If Gwen is killed in TASM2, it has nothing to do with TDK. I can guarantee you that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

good point about Skyfall. While still a good movie, I definitely got that vibe as well. Now if it had come out before TDK? who knows...

And you're right. Not killing off a character because another film did it is beyond ridiculous. But we are talking about killing off the primary love interest in film 2 to replace her with a more publicly known love interest in film 3. And stalling the death of gwen stacy for that reason (among others*) is indeed a sound plan, imo.

*Other reasons including Emma Stone's value and talent as an actress. Wanting to see more development between her and Peter. Green Goblin needing to be the one to kill her. The doom and gloom already surrounding ASM with the deaths of two major innocent protagonists in one film.

Gwen dying period will get a dk comparison, and not killing her at all (especially for that lame reason) is a sad loss of a fantastic story and a chance to break free of the raimi films

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

woah woah. ive never once said I don't want her to die. By all means, she must die. I'm just listing the many reasons (some more lame than others) that they should wait til film 3.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Im just saying the comparison will be there... 2nd, 3rd, 4th...

 

[Picard Sisko]

Really, I don't care about any of these stupid comparisons people will make to TDK. Let people do what they want.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

That being said, even if TDK didnt exist I would still want them to wait til film 3.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I'd be shocked if Stacy dies in the second film. The logical reasons have been stated. The greater emotional impact would be for it to happen in the third film, that's a no brainer to me.

Osborn in the second film, Osborn/GG in the third.

 

[The Shape]

Think about it this way. We already had a member of the Stacy family die at the end of TASM, which caused Peter to feel extremely guilty. Does it make sense for such a similar ending to take place in TASM2? Not at all.

They'll wait for TASM3, if they're smart. Shock everyone (who doesn't know she's gonna bite it) by killing Gwen off early in the film, a la Janet Leigh in Psycho. Killing off the "star" so early on would be awesome, IMO.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Think about it this way. We already had a member of the Stacy family die at the end of TASM, which caused Peter to feel extremely guilty. Does it make sense for such a similar ending to take place in TASM2? Not at all.

They'll wait for TASM3, if they're smart. Shock everyone (who doesn't know she's gonna bite it) by killing Gwen off early in the film, a la Janet Leigh in Psycho. Killing off the "star" so early on would be awesome, IMO.

That would be cool. Kill Gwen in the beginning of TASM3.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Having Gwen around for three films rather than two boosts the emotional impact. Killing her in the second would be too early. Not just because of the sentimental value but also in terms of Green Goblin being set up.

 

[Picard Sisko]

As long as they don't kill her at the very end of TASM3, it won't end on a depressing note (like SM3, ending with the death of Harry and Venom).

 

[Mr. Dent]

I really do see them doing that. Though I'd argue it would be more bittersweet than depressing because they'll show MJ consoling Peter in the end after Gwen's funeral. Hell, even if she gets killed half way into the movie there's no way they're going to be able to end it on anything but a bittersweet note because Norman will have to die which leaves a pissed off Harry and Gwen will still have died and we're going to have to deal with that. Doing it towards the end would just add extra shock value in my opinion.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That's true. Do you think she should get killed right before the final battle, or during?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Id rather they empire strikes back it personally ... Its far more epic in story telling imo.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Explain?