The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die? - Part 1

This is greatly off topic but I feel like this is the best time to bring this up. In my opinion, Ultimate Spider-Man goes as far as to completely change things and drop all the good parts of Spidey comics just to be different from Amazing. I get it that it's supposed to be a modern retelling of Spider-Man but it also changes a lot of things that weren't that dated to begin with. Examples are Rhino and Green Goblin. Was it really necessary to give Rhino a mechanical suit and turn GG into a generic Hulk copy? Original Rhino and GG aren't that dated to begin with.

Well Rhino wasn't a horrible idea I mean it sounds good on paper so I can see why they went with it but they really do go as far as they can. Hell they took Spidey out of Spidey just so he can be Black now and they use the "we trying to create equality card". I think the stupidest quote on Miles Morales is "I'm so happy my son will get to see a Spider-Man swinging through the skies whos last name is morales." trying to play the race card. No matter what poeple are always going to see Peter Parker when they see Spider-Man, and he's a white kid. If you want you'r son to see a Spider-Man of his race then why wasn't Peter Parker just mixed when you introduced him!?
 
Mr peasant .. The mere fact they haven't responded is because most don't follow this thread most have said one thing and left. Me thinks you need to understand an online forum like this more....

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Greg Weisman said he had no plans to kill her off in the TV show and that was because the whole TV show was supposed the "origin story" of their relationship. The DTV's that would have taken place after the TV show are a whole different story. Since he wanted to continue the series with darker and more mature storylines through those DTV's, it's pretty obvious the death of Gwen Stacy would have been done.

So even in the Spectacular Spider-Man universe, Gwen has died at the hands of the Green Goblin :). LOL

I disagree. You're working under the assumption that Gwen Stacy must die for the series to be darker and edgier, when that is untrue. A mature story can be told without Gwen dying.

Moreover, the quote you referenced makes no mention about wanting to emulate the original comic's storylines and was simply about the creators studying and exploring the developing personalities of the various characters, and for creating a more cohesive, less on-the-fly, setting.

This is greatly off topic but I feel like this is the best time to bring this up. In my opinion, Ultimate Spider-Man goes as far as to completely change things and drop all the good parts of Spidey comics just to be different from Amazing. I get it that it's supposed to be a modern retelling of Spider-Man but it also changes a lot of things that weren't that dated to begin with. Examples are Rhino and Green Goblin. Was it really necessary to give Rhino a mechanical suit and turn GG into a generic Hulk copy? Original Rhino and GG aren't that dated to begin with.

Fair enough and I certainly respect your opinion in that regard. While I like some of the new twists Ultimate did, some irked me as well. For instance, I was hardly overjoyed with their decision to kill off Peter Parker to make way for a new web-slinger. However, a sufficient number out there liked it. So, YMMV.
 
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Really??? Because lately its been a pretty tiny amount of us posting...................


Not to mention "brutal" can mean alot of things. Like emotionaly brutal. Like i said before , no one has said they've wanted gore , rape, or beaten to death so don't assume that's what it means.
 
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I totally agree about Ultimate being different just for the only purpose of being different. Most changes aren't even good at all IMO (one of them is, yes, Gwen Stacy)
 
Well Rhino wasn't a horrible idea I mean it sounds good on paper so I can see why they went with it but they really do go as far as they can. Hell they took Spidey out of Spidey just so he can be Black now and they use the "we trying to create equality card". I think the stupidest quote on Miles Morales is "I'm so happy my son will get to see a Spider-Man swinging through the skies whos last name is morales." trying to play the race card. No matter what poeple are always going to see Peter Parker when they see Spider-Man, and he's a white kid. If you want you'r son to see a Spider-Man of his race then why wasn't Peter Parker just mixed when you introduced him!?

I'm not talking about Miles Morales. Even when Peter Parker was Spider-Man in Ultimate, that problem was still there. I get that they're trying to be different from Amazing but they're also throwing away the aspects of the characters that made them good to begin with and sometimes just change stuff simply for the sake of being different. Seriously. They made Deadpool not funny!

Though I do think Ultimate Spider-Man is really good, I think it could have been a lot better and I consider it to be a huge waste of potential. Ultimate Spider-Man should have been similar to stuff like The Spectacular Spider-Man TV series and The Amazing Spider-Man (2012). Both are modern retellings of the original Spider-Man mythos and change a few stuff every now and then to keep stories interesting, fresh, and adaptable but at the same time, they don't throw away the aspects of the characters that made the characters interesting to begin with. They still keep the important iconic aspects. They're literally the Amazing comics reborn with a modernized fresh take.
 
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I disagree. You're working under the assumption that Gwen Stacy must die for the series to be darker and edgier, when that is untrue. A mature story can be told without Gwen dying.

Moreover, the quote you referenced makes no mention about wanting to emulate the original comic's storylines and was simply about the creators studying and exploring the developing personalities of the various characters, and for creating a more cohesive, less on-the-fly, setting.




Fair enough and I certainly respect your opinion in that regard. While I like some of the new twists Ultimate did, some irked me as well. For instance, I was hardly overjoyed with their decision to kill off Peter Parker to make way for a new web-slinger. However, a sufficient number out there liked it. So, YMMV.

I wouldn't find it too far from the truth if Greg Weisman considered doing it, seeing how he wanted to keep the series very faithful to the comics and use as much elements as possible. There is also a chance he wouldn't have done it either way but there is still a most likely chance that it would have been done and he wouldn't have wasted that potential for a good DTV movie away. My overall and final point is that it is unfair for you to try to prove a point about Gwen's death/survival through Spectacular Spider-Man when the show was cancelled prematurely. There is no way we'll ever know unless he decides to release that info with us.
 
Having just read the last few pages, I have to say that this debate is about as amusing as watching a bobtail cat chase its own behind. Had I known the Spidey forums were this fractious I'd have joined in long ago.
Well, that's a strange reason.
There isn't any possibility that the producers chose Gwen Stacy as Peter's love interest without planning to ultimately play out her death, just as in the classic comic book story.
Actually, there very much IS the possibility they did, and only introduced Gwen to differentiate itself from the Raimi trilogy. But, I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I very much think that they will kill Gwen, though I'm not sure what this has to do with my beliefs on the subject.
There simply is no more powerful tale of tragedy and loss than the death of Gwen Stacy in the entire medium.
To Spider-Man fans. And not even all of them apparently. Personally the death didn't really bring any emotions from me when I read it. Wait, that's not true, I was impressed that the writer dared to go there. It was inspiring that a writer would stick to his creative imagination, and tell the story he wanted to tell, and never back down from it.
Not to follow through on the characters' arc so would be to betray the source material completely, as well as to squander the dramatic possibilities afforded by it.


Some of the arguments in favor of gratuitously violating Spider-Man's iconic history by having Gwen survive strike me as ridiculous.
The only gratuitous violation here is the one that YOU wish to be inflicted upon the classic, ORIGINAL story of Gwen Stacy's death, and STRIPPING it of it's TRUE relevance and meaning just so you can get your fanboy jollies off on it.
She is a fictional character, not a real person, so wanting to see the story play out on screen is not "disgusting," nor are the people in favor of it immoral or bloodthirsty as some have implied in this thread.
By this logic you shouldn't even be here arguing about this at all. None of us should. It's just all fiction, right? What's the point of arguing or discussing this at all?
Think of all of the fictional stories that portray deaths and other horrible tragedies in the course of presenting an emotionally-satisfying (read: entertaining) story.
Nope. Never been "entertained" by a character death, unless it's an evil villain.
Are Shakespeare's great tragedies disgusting because they show murders and suicides on stage? Many classic films and novels have death and its consequences central to their plots. Are they disgusting as well, or is it only Gwen Stacy's murder that arouses such a response? Those who still don't understand how such themes can be entertaining to an audience should research the term "catharsis" as it relates to drama and other art forms.
Those are all original stories, not copies of far better and more relevent classical stories. That's what's truly disgusting here, the stifling of creative integrity and imagination, the EXACT SAME creative imagination and integrity that gave BIRTH to the Death Of Gwen Stacy IN THE FIRST PLACE. But you don't care about that. All you care about is getting your fanboy validation for seeing it onscreen. All you want is more of the same. If people like YOU had been in charge of Marvel comics at that time, we never would've even gotten that classic and original story. And I get far more catharsis from beautiful deserved happy endings.
Gwen's death, seen in the context of the ongoing continuity, was the logical culmination of a long-running story. Norman Osborn's psychotic alter-ego had discovered Peter's secret identity long before. From that point onward, the Goblin represented a looming threat to everyone Parker loved or even knew personally. When Osborn finally kidnapped Gwen, it was the realization of Peter's worst fear: That his being Spider-Man would endanger those he loved the most. Her death was the tragically realistic outcome of Peter's decision to shoulder the great responsibility that his Uncle Ben spoke of. And his guilt in the aftermath echoed in a horrible way the guilt he felt after Ben Parker's death.
Hardly. The logical conclusion would've been for Goblin to kidnap and kill Aunt May. Not only would it be more tragic, mirroring Uncle Ben, and his failure to save his parental figures, it would also actually make sense, considering that May, Peter's MOTHER FIGURE, would be FAR MORE IMPORTANT, than a blonde girl he's been dating for under a year (in comic time, of course).
That is powerful stuff. It is tragedy, and it elevated Spider-Man's story above the empty and sometimes childish level so many comics operated on at that time.
And so we reach the crux of the problem here. Thinking that any kind of joy, or hope, or optimism, or lack of death makes something "childish" or "empty." That's just a sad and depressing thing to hear from some people. Even more sad is the fact that it's coming from the TRULY childish people. If death is what it takes for you to validate yourself and your place in life, and make you feel "mature" then that's your damage, but don't try and drag down other people's souls by infecting them with this trash thought-process.:csad:
 
To everyone: I know this is the Internet, but why don't we try to express our opinions without the insults.
 
Well, that's a strange reason.Actually, there very much IS the possibility they did, and only introduced Gwen to differentiate itself from the Raimi trilogy. But, I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I very much think that they will kill Gwen, though I'm not sure what this has to do with my beliefs on the subject.To Spider-Man fans. And not even all of them apparently. Personally the death didn't really bring any emotions from me when I read it. Wait, that's not true, I was impressed that the writer dared to go there. It was inspiring that a writer would stick to his creative imagination, and tell the story he wanted to tell, and never back down from it.The only gratuitous violation here is the one that YOU wish to be inflicted upon the classic, ORIGINAL story of Gwen Stacy's death, and STRIPPING it of it's TRUE relevance and meaning just so you can get your fanboy jollies off on it.By this logic you shouldn't even be here arguing about this at all. None of us should. It's just all fiction, right? What's the point of arguing or discussing this at all?Nope. Never been "entertained" by a character death, unless it's an evil villain.Those are all original stories, not copies of far better and more relevent classical stories. That's what's truly disgusting here, the stifling of creative integrity and imagination, the EXACT SAME creative imagination and integrity that gave BIRTH to the Death Of Gwen Stacy IN THE FIRST PLACE. But you don't care about that. All you care about is getting your fanboy validation for seeing it onscreen. All you want is more of the same. If people like YOU had been in charge of Marvel comics at that time, we never would've even gotten that classic and original story. And I get far more catharsis from beautiful deserved happy endings.Hardly. The logical conclusion would've been for Goblin to kidnap and kill Aunt May. Not only would it be more tragic, mirroring Uncle Ben, and his failure to save his parental figures, it would also actually make sense, considering that May, Peter's MOTHER FIGURE, would be FAR MORE IMPORTANT, than a blonde girl he's been dating for under a year (in comic time, of course).And so we reach the crux of the problem here. Thinking that any kind of joy, or hope, or optimism, or lack of death makes something "childish" or "empty." That's just a sad and depressing thing to hear from some people. Even more sad is the fact that it's coming from the TRULY childish people. If death is what it takes for you to validate yourself and your place in life, and make you feel "mature" then that's your damage, but don't try and drag down other people's souls by infecting them with this trash thought-process.:csad:

You're really stretching it, and you're just making up new reasons for Gwen not to die, probably because you really like her in the movie. Theres absolutely no validation for Green Goblin to kill Aunt May instead because this ground has already been treaded, that story has already been told, people knows his parental figures are vulnerable, and what can Peter do to prevent that? Gwen is being foreshadowed to be killed because of association, Aunt May is related to him, you can't change that. He's acting very childish, seeing first hand he's putting her life on the line and selfishly breaking his promise to a dying man. She is doing the same, they're both living in the classic "That could never happen to me mindset" most teenagers live in, and her death is a huge reality check.

Theres a lot more I could say about why you're wrong but I've already explained this at least ten times (And I have a haircut) so I'm going to leave it at that.
 
You're really stretching it, and you're just making up new reasons for Gwen not to die, probably because you really like her in the movie. Theres absolutely no validation for Green Goblin to kill Aunt May instead because this ground has already been treaded, that story has already been told, people knows his parental figures are vulnerable, and what can Peter do to prevent that? Gwen is being foreshadowed to be killed because of association, Aunt May is related to him, you can't change that. He's acting very childish, seeing first hand he's putting her life on the line and selfishly breaking his promise to a dying man. She is doing the same, they're both living in the classic "That could never happen to me mindset" most teenagers live in, and her death is a huge reality check.

Theres a lot more I could say about why you're wrong but I've already explained this at least ten times (And I have a haircut) so I'm going to leave it at that.

well said! :up:

now go get that haircut! :D
 
You're really stretching it, and you're just making up new reasons for Gwen not to die, probably because you really like her in the movie. Theres absolutely no validation for Green Goblin to kill Aunt May instead because this ground has already been treaded, that story has already been told, people knows his parental figures are vulnerable, and what can Peter do to prevent that? Gwen is being foreshadowed to be killed because of association, Aunt May is related to him, you can't change that. He's acting very childish, seeing first hand he's putting her life on the line and selfishly breaking his promise to a dying man. She is doing the same, they're both living in the classic "That could never happen to me mindset" most teenagers live in, and her death is a huge reality check.

Theres a lot more I could say about why you're wrong but I've already explained this at least ten times (And I have a haircut) so I'm going to leave it at that.

All this being said, I still don't think this can be executed well in the current trilogy just looking at it from a pacing point of view. Unless, the sequels drop the 'search for Uncle Ben's killer' subplot, resolve the 'truth about Peter Parker's parents' subplot by the second movie and kill off Gwen either at some point of the second movie (a la The Dark Knight) or early in the third movie.

Otherwise, it will be hard to balance and juggle between Peter's moodiness about the subject of his parents, his guilt over Uncle Ben's death, and his guilt for getting Gwen killed to give them all the weight and emotion they need. Moreover, having all three going on in the same movie would just be angst overload. And angst would instead turn into wangst. As it is, one feedback I've heard several times now from casual viewers is that Spider-Man in TASM is already being a little too 'emo'. Adding Gwen's death without first getting some of the other aforementioned sources of angst out of the picture will simply make it even more so.
 
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All this being said, I still don't think this can be executed well in the current trilogy just looking at it from a pacing point of view. Unless, the sequels drop the 'search for Uncle Ben's killer' subplot, resolve the 'truth about Peter Parker's parents' subplot by the second movie and kill off Gwen either at some point of the second movie (a la The Dark Knight) or early in the third movie.

Otherwise, it will be hard to balance and juggle between Peter's moodiness about the subject of his parents, his guilt over Uncle Ben's death, and his guilt for getting Gwen killed to give them all the weight and emotion they need. Moreover, having all three going on in the same movie would just be angst overload. And angst would instead turn into wangst. As it is, one feedback I've heard several times now from casual viewers is that Spider-Man in TASM is already being a little too 'emo'. Adding Gwen's death without first getting some of the other aforementioned sources of angst out of the picture will simply make it even more so.

1) they probably will eventually drop the burglar subplot. there's really no reason to continue it. Peter can't keep chasing something out of anger. And it sorta works better if he has the idea that he's always out there imo.

2) the trilogy is going to center around the parents mystery. It wont always be in focus, but it's the theme of the trilogy. It also doesn't mean it will distract from other stories being told.

3) considering a single movie can kill off a character, and make the audience ball their eyes out (umm Up did that in under like 4 min....), Lion King did that in under the first 30, and Titanic made you cry for people you didn't even hear utter a line (like the old couple holding each other in bed) for a list of other films that have made many shed a tear in just one film... look no further. HERE

considering these films were able to pull so much emotion into one film... there's really no reason at all we coudln't get that emotion from peter and gwen by the end of the 2nd film... especially by the third. It's a bit ridiculous to think it couldn't be done. The only question, is if the writers are able to write emotion well enough






i suggest lowering the parental plot in the 2nd film, and possibly having a small scene where he finds and confronts the burglar. to which, he almost looses his edge... but don't make finding him an obsession by any means.
but focus the rest on Gwen and Peter, and the new villain(s). build the intensity of the relationship up, where everyone is routing for them. then shock everyone with her sudden demise in (what i'd hope) would be the finale of the 2nd film.

truth be told, it'd be less congested than even the previous film. so it should be alot easier to concentrate upon the two of them. The film shouldn't be much angst anyway.. the guy is loving being spider-man, he's got the girl. There's really no reason for this second film to be angsty at all.
 
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I agree with the death, but in the third film. Not in the second.
 
And so we reach the crux of the problem here. Thinking that any kind of joy, or hope, or optimism, or lack of death makes something "childish" or "empty." That's just a sad and depressing thing to hear from some people. Even more sad is the fact that it's coming from the TRULY childish people. If death is what it takes for you to validate yourself and your place in life, and make you feel "mature" then that's your damage, but don't try and drag down other people's souls by infecting them with this trash thought-process.:csad:

What's been said thats insulting? Really people on this forum are way too in their feelings.

Not that I was personally offended by the bolded part, but, I don't see the point in comments like that. And honestly I was just patting my post count. Like this post is doing.
 
When: Never.
How: In no way.
This is what everyone against her death is basically saying. It's as valid as the opposite argument.

Also, the creator of the thread made an option in the poll for Never. She shouldn't die. So it's up for discussion.

Touche
 
You're really stretching it, and you're just making up new reasons for Gwen not to die, probably because you really like her in the movie.
Is that jealousy I hear? Now sweetums, it's just Emma Stone that I love, okay? Gwen in the movie is a pretty lame character, she's hardly funny at all, has no real personality beyond cool moments and crying, and lacks anything that makes her a 3 dimensional character, like anger, or any other passionate emotion, she's JUST a likable girl, and the only reason she's even THAT is because they were smart enough to cast EM in what would have otherwise been a boring role.
She is doing the same, they're both living in the classic "That could never happen to me mindset" most teenagers live in, and her death is a huge reality check.
NO teenager has that mindset. That's just stupid. And it won't be a reality check. He'll just hook up with MJ, having never learned a thing. I've resigned myself to that fact.
 
NO teenager has that mindset. That's just stupid. And it won't be a reality check. He'll just hook up with MJ, having never learned a thing. I've resigned myself to that fact.

ehrm.... whaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh?

:doh::doh::doh: i really have nothing else to say to this


you do not understand the psyke of anyone apparently besides yourself..... and apparently think Peter Parker is Flash Thompson...
 
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Is that jealousy I hear? Now sweetums, it's just Emma Stone that I love, okay? Gwen in the movie is a pretty lame character, she's hardly funny at all, has no real personality beyond cool moments and crying, and lacks anything that makes her a 3 dimensional character, like anger, or any other passionate emotion, she's JUST a likable girl, and the only reason she's even THAT is because they were smart enough to cast EM in what would have otherwise been a boring role.

And the truth comes out!

NO teenager has that mindset. That's just stupid. And it won't be a reality check. He'll just hook up with MJ, having never learned a thing. I've resigned myself to that fact.

He's like 18 and he'll be at least that age in AMS 2 if not older. Most 18 year olds are immature, but they are old enough to understand their actions have real consequences. This is the time when the teen matures into the adult, and theres no set age when they do. If the only girl they've ever been with died by their fault, most likely theyd be pretty confused and shaken up. I'm guessing you're either still in high school or you're too old to remember what it was like to be that age.
 
Theres absolutely no validation for Green Goblin to kill Aunt May instead because this ground has already been treaded, that story has already been told, people knows his parental figures are vulnerable, and what can Peter do to prevent that?
Renounce his Peter Parker identity and live in the sewers. You want him to be miserable right? And yes, I'm sure Gobby cares about treaded ground. That was obviously his mindset when he abducted Gwen. "HAHAHA! I'm being original!" Please pay attention to my words sweetie.
Gwen is being foreshadowed to be killed because of association, Aunt May is related to him, you can't change that. He's acting very childish, seeing first hand he's putting her life on the line and selfishly breaking his promise to a dying man.
No he's not, because he never made that promise. And I'd hardly call allowing her to have a choice in matter, and attempting to achieve happiness, "childish."
 
He's like 18 and he'll be at least that age in AMS 2 if not older. Most 18 year olds are immature, but they are old enough to understand their actions have real consequences. This is the time when the teen matures into the adult, and theres no set age when they do. If the only girl they've ever been with died by their fault, most likely theyd be pretty confused and shaken up. I'm guessing you're either still in high school or you're too old to remember what it was like to be that age.

im 18 AND I can say that´s true
 
All this being said, I still don't think this can be executed well in the current trilogy just looking at it from a pacing point of view. Unless, the sequels drop the 'search for Uncle Ben's killer' subplot, resolve the 'truth about Peter Parker's parents' subplot by the second movie and kill off Gwen either at some point of the second movie (a la The Dark Knight) or early in the third movie.

Otherwise, it will be hard to balance and juggle between Peter's moodiness about the subject of his parents, his guilt over Uncle Ben's death, and his guilt for getting Gwen killed to give them all the weight and emotion they need. Moreover, having all three going on in the same movie would just be angst overload. And angst would instead turn into wangst. As it is, one feedback I've heard several times now from casual viewers is that Spider-Man in TASM is already being a little too 'emo'. Adding Gwen's death without first getting some of the other aforementioned sources of angst out of the picture will simply make it even more so.

I think it could easily work. I see what you're saying but they could just build on what they have.

Start the movie with Peter going to college and meeting his roommate Harry Osborn and early on introduce the Green Goblin. Peter is trying to see Gwen, but he wants to honor his promise so he's doing it in secret. Have him bond with Norman who helps him learn more about his parents. He fights the Goblin throughout the film but eventually he comes across a guy that has the tattoo that Uncle Bens killer has. Peter gets infuriated and the end result is the killer dies. Peter sees the consequences this has and sees how theres so much more hurt on Aunt May because it's like she's reliving the whole thing over again. Norman deduces Peter is Spider-Man and warns him to stay out of his way. Harry maybe is frustrated with Peter and complains about Peter sneaking off to see his girlfriend and Norman decides to go after her. He throws her off the bridge and Peters worst nightmare is realized. He and the Goblin have climactic battle and it mirrors the battle he had with burglar, but remembers Harry and the pain it would cause him to lose his father and remembers how much more alone he felt when the Burglar died. He lets Norman live and Norman either kills himself like in the comics or he goes to jail and returns in the last film. The movie should end with Peter finding out his parents left him because their work brought and inherent danger and they wanted him left out of it, and Peter realizes how selfish he was to drag Gwen down with him. I'd like to see him quit being Spider-Man at the end, but leave a cliff hanger.

I know Norman is his greatest enemy but the final antagonist role could easily go to Otto Octavious, Adrian Tomes, or Miles Warren. Most trilogies have a painful act II, ala Empire Strikes Back. That story isn't the best thing in the world and I hope that movie isn't that predictable but I'm just using that to explain how easy it would be to juggle these elements while making a solid narrative. It's not like shoehorning Venom in there lol.


Not that I was personally offended by the bolded part, but, I don't see the point in comments like that. And honestly I was just patting my post count. Like this post is doing.


Agreed.
 
And the truth comes out!
What I've been saying? Yeah, honey, you'd have known that if you even listened to me anymore! *cries over tub of ice cream*
He's like 18 and he'll be at least that age in AMS 2 if not older. Most 18 year olds are immature, but they are old enough to understand their actions have real consequences. This is the time when the teen matures into the adult, and theres no set age when they do. If the only girl they've ever been with died by their fault, most likely theyd be pretty confused and shaken up. I'm guessing you're either still in high school or you're too old to remember what it was like to be that age.
I was paranoid in High School and afraid of dying everyday. But I was beaten up and threatened regularly, so...
 
Damn. I'm sorry to hear that.
 
ehrm.... whaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh?

:doh::doh::doh: i really have nothing else to say to this


you do not understand the psyke of anyone apparently besides yourself..... and apparently think Peter Parker is Flash Thompson...
That's what he did in the comics. I probably should've said, "He'll just cry for half a movie, and then hook up with MJ" but I'm on my phone and it restricts my funny. And I thought you were ignoring me? Stick to your guns man.
 

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