The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die? - Part 1

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Oh...My...God. Are you serious about this post? I'm seriously not trying to offend you. That is an honest question.
Ya know, I was at peace with how I left this discussion, and then, much to my surprise, I take a peek in here to find this horrible display right here. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that it comes from YOU, as I think I recall you refering to me in the same way. This is just... really bad, and meaningless, and uneccesary. Things like this are NEVER okay. This is just awful. And anyone who supported this behavior should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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Dude, didn't we argue about ****ing CATWOMAN here? You don't exactly have the right to call him out.

.....and Im not the one who started that.......... I told my idea of a direction to take spidey after gwen death with black cat..... In which i continued to defend myself upon. Catwoman was only ever brought up by examples .... So yeah.....
 
.....and Im not the one who started that.......... I told my idea of a direction to take spidey after gwen death with black cat..... In which i continued to defend myself upon. Catwoman was only ever brought up by examples .... So yeah.....

I too always thought black cat would be a great way to go too. A movie with themes of insecurity and feeling you can never do enough would be great.

Electro would also be a great villain to use post Gwen Stacys death, his inferiority complex would mirror the one Peter would probably have created after failing to stop the deaths of two people he loves. Harry would suffer as well now knowing that he can never make his father proud of him since he's dead. Black Cat would be a great love interest for several reasons. One being that she's a costumed vigilante, Peter could easily justify to himself that he can have her because she can defend herself, but if she's chosen there needs to be the scene where he unmasks himself and she reveals she only loves Spider-Man. Also the fact that shes such a confident and strong female character whos motives come from insecurity over being date raped by her boyfriend.

A post Death of Gwen Stacy movie would be on a fast track to becoming a comic book movie classic.
 
I was thinking Black Cat post-Goblin/Gwen as well. Maybe with Kraven and/or Rhino as villains. I'd want Cat in a film with villain(s) i can believe she could go toe-to-toe with. And quite frankly I don't think her battling Electro would be very believable.

good points though, definitely made me think about what I'd like to see from Felicia Hardy relationship-wise and her toughness level.
 
I was thinking Black Cat post-Goblin/Gwen as well. Maybe with Kraven and/or Rhino as villains. I'd want Cat in a film with villain(s) i can believe she could go toe-to-toe with. And quite frankly I don't think her battling Electro would be very believable.

good points though, definitely made me think about what I'd like to see from Felicia Hardy relationship-wise and her toughness level.

No electro would totally kick her ass, but I think someone like Electro could be a good sympathetic villain. I've always had this idea of having Electro be some no body that looks up to Spider-Man and when he gets superpowers maybe tries to be like him and turns to crime when his powers start to fade and he fears he'll have to go back to being Max Dillon, desperately trying to get what he needs to recreate the accident. That would really compliment Peters insecurities especially after getting turned down by Black Cat because she only loves Spider-Man. Both would have to come to terms with accepting their alter egos and coming to terms that somethings are out of control.

I think a villain like the Miles Warren, being a manipulator would be good. Maybe being a business partner to Norman, pushing Harry to drugs and madness to try and get his fortune, and having some connection to Black Cat and Peters Parents.
 
I too always thought black cat would be a great way to go too. A movie with themes of insecurity and feeling you can never do enough would be great.

Electro would also be a great villain to use post Gwen Stacys death, his inferiority complex would mirror the one Peter would probably have created after failing to stop the deaths of two people he loves. Harry would suffer as well now knowing that he can never make his father proud of him since he's dead. Black Cat would be a great love interest for several reasons. One being that she's a costumed vigilante, Peter could easily justify to himself that he can have her because she can defend herself, but if she's chosen there needs to be the scene where he unmasks himself and she reveals she only loves Spider-Man. Also the fact that shes such a confident and strong female character whos motives come from insecurity over being date raped by her boyfriend.

A post Death of Gwen Stacy movie would be on a fast track to becoming a comic book movie classic.

I love the electro idea... I also always thought an Electro/Sandman or HydroMan team up would be incredibly interesting. It's too bad we probably wont see sandman again.. i always pictured a scene where the 2 are fighting spidey, and electro is ultra-powered by draining the city of power... and spidey tricks him into accidentally blasting sandman, turning him to glass (great way to show his smarts with a science reaction). but.... sadly that wont happen. Hydro-man would be interesting (unfortunately you can't do that scene, but hey... spidey's in a lot more trouble since water conducts electricity...

I was thinking Black Cat post-Goblin/Gwen as well. Maybe with Kraven and/or Rhino as villains. I'd want Cat in a film with villain(s) i can believe she could go toe-to-toe with. And quite frankly I don't think her battling Electro would be very believable.

good points though, definitely made me think about what I'd like to see from Felicia Hardy relationship-wise and her toughness level.

No electro would totally kick her ass, but I think someone like Electro could be a good sympathetic villain. I've always had this idea of having Electro be some no body that looks up to Spider-Man and when he gets superpowers maybe tries to be like him and turns to crime when his powers start to fade and he fears he'll have to go back to being Max Dillon, desperately trying to get what he needs to recreate the accident. That would really compliment Peters insecurities especially after getting turned down by Black Cat because she only loves Spider-Man. Both would have to come to terms with accepting their alter egos and coming to terms that somethings are out of control.

I think a villain like the Miles Warren, being a manipulator would be good. Maybe being a business partner to Norman, pushing Harry to drugs and madness to try and get his fortune, and having some connection to Black Cat and Peters Parents.

Id like Black Cat to get peter back on the horse, but almost be like a drug.. the emotional fall out and turmoil over gwen makes him not want to deal with his peter parker life and instead choose an escapism. He becomes hero full time, obsessed with helping people and fighting crime while shurking his peter parker responsibilities. (think about it as him not wanting to face the issue at hand, it's a very typical psyke response) He feels safe with felicia (maybe she's a year or 2 older) and thinks she's perfect for him because she can protect herself (unlike how gwen could not) but he eventually learns that Felicia isn't the best thing for him either... she nearly get's killed by a villain (maybe he has ties to her father?) after dumping peter. Peter comes to her rescue anyway of course.

I think it's a natural progression an easily relatable to the audience (even though both are costumed characters)



but.. as for legends idea... its not bad. just I really hope this franchise isn't afraid to step away from the "web of connections" I don't think peter, his family, or norman should have a personal connection with everyone he faces (let alone felicia). but... I think if using felicia.. it's actually a good opportunity to have that villain be connected through her.
 
.....and Im not the one who started that.......... I told my idea of a direction to take spidey after gwen death with black cat..... In which i continued to defend myself upon. Catwoman was only ever brought up by examples .... So yeah.....
You don't mention Black Cat ONCE in any of these posts...
:o i have a soul... a severely dissapointed one. i mean really... Catwoman used a heel and a gun as her weapons of choice in this film... CATwoman...

this felt like the X-men films to me.. which is really sad because the previous were great
.... I guess her entire existence in the comics is stupid than....
You mean like the practical world where a billionaire runs around dressed as a bat fighting a clown, crazed burn victim and a man with a burlap sack on his face....
 
Not in these either.
Sooooooo the cat ear goggles really served a purpose?.....

And umm... Im gay
Still nope... My bf is a huge batmans fan and didst care fir the movie (loved the previous ones even) and i still enjoyed the movie over him. But none the less... how is a whip less practical than a stilletto heel or a man with a Burlap sack on his head... Or a man who uses his cape to transform it into batwings . Everything can be realistic and functional. As you said SHE'S CATWOMAN .... A CATWOMAN without claws........ Because... I guess its not as functional As her cat ears and batmans "the bat" or his batarangs or bat sonar........ Or bat cape .... *rollseyes

Like anyone would complain if she had claws and a whip......
 
I love the electro idea... I also always thought an Electro/Sandman or HydroMan team up would be incredibly interesting. It's too bad we probably wont see sandman again.. i always pictured a scene where the 2 are fighting spidey, and electro is ultra-powered by draining the city of power... and spidey tricks him into accidentally blasting sandman, turning him to glass (great way to show his smarts with a science reaction). but.... sadly that wont happen. Hydro-man would be interesting (unfortunately you can't do that scene, but hey... spidey's in a lot more trouble since water conducts electricity...





Id like Black Cat to get peter back on the horse, but almost be like a drug.. the emotional fall out and turmoil over gwen makes him not want to deal with his peter parker life and instead choose an escapism. He becomes hero full time, obsessed with helping people and fighting crime while shurking his peter parker responsibilities. (think about it as him not wanting to face the issue at hand, it's a very typical psyke response) He feels safe with felicia (maybe she's a year or 2 older) and thinks she's perfect for him because she can protect herself (unlike how gwen could not) but he eventually learns that Felicia isn't the best thing for him either... she nearly get's killed by a villain (maybe he has ties to her father?) after dumping peter. Peter comes to her rescue anyway of course.

I think it's a natural progression an easily relatable to the audience (even though both are costumed characters)



but.. as for legends idea... its not bad. just I really hope this franchise isn't afraid to step away from the "web of connections" I don't think peter, his family, or norman should have a personal connection with everyone he faces (let alone felicia). but... I think if using felicia.. it's actually a good opportunity to have that villain be connected through her.

Yes! Thats exactly what I wanted, there was a scrapped subplot in Spider-Man 2 similar to this, that really served as my inspiration. I think the movie should be a bit of a character study on the type of personality it takes, to dress up in a costume and create a new persona for yourself.

I don't think that Black Cat should be connected to Peters parents but rather have an origin from someone like say the Miles Warren or Adrian Tombes, who is now in charge of Oscorp and was a business partner of Norman Osborn. I don't know I just really like the idea of a subplot about Harry having a trust fund and someone trying to gain control of the corporation, by sending him spiraling down the path of destruction.

The reason I really want Electro to be a supporting character is because his inferiority complex makes him one of the most interesting and relatable of Spider-Mans rogues. The fact he's one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe but his lack of confidence holds him back is great. I want to see him get bullied and picked by his bosses, Harry and Miles/Tombes/whoever and just other people in his life, then when he gets superpowers he wants to become a hero like Spider-Man that people will look up to. Given the post death of Gwen Stacy timeline, he could go after Spider-Man for killing her, putting him into conflict with him. I also think a scene where he's measuring how many amps he's putting out, then later something goes wrong and he measures again only to find to his horror his powers are fading. Leading him to kidnap Harry and try to recreate the accident that made him.

I want Black Cat to be a product of some kind of genetic experiment, feeling violated for what was done to her, she's trying to find the monster who did this to her. I also want her origin to involve being taken advantage of by an ex boyfriend, and maybe signing up for the process so she wouldn't have to worry about being overpowered by a man ever again. This would make her attraction to Spider-Man much more psychological, her insecurities about being overpowered, leads her to try to seduce the only man who can. Maybe show her flirting with Electro after his appearance but being turned off by his obvious lack of confidence. This would explain why she's so quick to turn down Spider-Man when she sees who he really is, just a normal guy, not this icon she's lusting after.

Meanwhile have Mary Jane be Harry's girlfriend, trying to seek out Peter for help while he's taken up only being Spider-Man, as Harry slips deeper into his addiction and him being his only true friend. Harry slipping into madness at the hands of Warren/Tombes/ect would be the price Peter pays, the thing that teaches him that he's worth something as Peter Parker too.

I want the climax of the film to be Miles Warren/Tombes setting a trap for Spider-Man and the Black Cat at Oscorp, revealing himself to be the mad man that created the Black Cat. He traps Spider-Man, explaining maybe he and richard did work when he was a child and that he's the one specimen he's had that he's never been able to study. That he and Norman were doing genetic tests based off Connors cross species work and that Norman originally created the Goblin persona to get rid of the loose ends who knew about the experiments. That he let Black Cat go because he knew she would seek out Spider-Man thinking he was an escaped victim of her as well. Maybe settling the parents arc once and for all. He explains he's been influencing Harry to get drugged up enough to do something crazy and that he will soon have full control over the company.

Then a crazed Electro breaks in with Harry and his girlfriend as hostages, and immediately over powers Warren/Tombes, and makes the scientist attempt to recreate his work. By the time Warren/Tombes Electro kills him and Peter breaks free telling him not to trust him, that the doctor was a sick cruel man, and that if he tries to regain his full powers he's probably done something that will kill him. Electro explains that Max was nothing and that he was a no one, he couldn't do anything right, this is the only way he can ever hope to be anyone or even be happy. Then Peter explains how he's no one specially either, Max ignores his warnings and tries to regain his powers anyway but is transformed into pure energy and vanishes into nothing (a metaphor for how if you hold onto your insecurities they will consume you.)

Black Cat should get amnesia and forget everything happened to her prior to the rape and Peter lets her be so she can live a normal life. Harrys having gone nuts is committed, and Mary Jane and Peter seem like they will grow a relationship. IMO a great post Gwens death story.

EDIT: I would also love a snowy christmassy atmosphere, having cold winter and the cheery holidays give the movie an eery Batman Returns vibe, but with Spider-Man's charm.
 
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Not in these either.

... Wrong.

In that case i used catwoman as an example to counter your ridiculous comments... Funny how you omit yours...

Stop trying to stir a pot. For christ's if anythings off topic its you now creating this one. Which has nothing to do about spider-man, let alone gwen...
 
If you're going to keep omiting information to excuse this behavior, then don't reply to me.

You pretty much admitted it several pages ago so I'm just going to keep reiterating your motivations. I piss people off all the time because I think AMS isn't as good a story as SM1, but I have consistant reasons. You on the other hand come up with reason of the week and drop lines to paraphrase "after the audience has to endure the horror of watching Emma Stone die", "Honey (yes you called me honey), I love Emma Stone not Gwen Stacy", "My love for EM...". So I'm not "omitting information" I'm just getting to the point of your argument, for anyone who isn't up to speed.
 
You on the other hand come up with reason of the week and drop lines to paraphrase "after the audience has to endure the horror of watching Emma Stone die", "Honey (yes you called me honey), I love Emma Stone not Gwen Stacy", "My love for EM...". So I'm not "omitting information"
I have many reasons for not wanting Gwen to die, and I there's nothing wrong with that. None of them have anything to do with ES though, as I said here:
I never said that me liking ES has anything to do with me wanting Gwen to live. In fact, I've stated that I've never wanted ANY version of Gwen to die. Raimi's, TSSM's, or Ultimate's. None. Personally, I feel like Emma's stifled in the film, frustrating me as a fan, and, if anything, kinda makes me wish they'd just end the character already, so she can go back to acting to her full potential.
Like I said, stop this attitude (the baseless assumptions and omitting of information), or stop replying to me. Sweetie. :D
 
... Wrong.

In that case i used catwoman as an example to counter your ridiculous comments... Funny how you omit yours...
My posts didn't mention Black Cat either. So, no. I'm not wrong. It's the same no matter how you try web-spin it (lol). I said we had an off-topic discussion about Catwoman, you said you were comparing her to Black Cat, which isn't true, so you're wrong. And yes, CW having a whip and claws in the Nolanverse' still would be stupid.
Stop trying to stir a pot. For christ's if anythings off topic its you now creating this one. Which has nothing to do about spider-man, let alone gwen...
Yeah, but off-topic doesn't bother me. You coming at someone for being off-topic when you have no right to judge, does though.
 
My posts didn't mention Black Cat either. So, no. I'm not wrong. It's the same no matter how you try web-spin it (lol). I said we had an off-topic discussion about Catwoman, you said you were comparing her to Black Cat, which isn't true, so you're wrong. And yes, CW having a whip and claws in the Nolanverse' still would be stupid.Yeah, but off-topic doesn't bother me. You coming at someone for being off-topic when you have no right to judge, does though.

Except in context of a convo i don't feel i was off topic

And could not care less about what you think
 
Im just officially putting this troll on ignore. I suggest everyone else do the same
 
I have many reasons for not wanting Gwen to die, and I there's nothing wrong with that. None of them have anything to do with ES though, as I said here:Like I said, stop this attitude (the baseless assumptions and omitting of information), or stop replying to me. Sweetie. :D

lol, whatever you say...sweetie hahahahahaha
 
Except in context of a convo i don't feel i was off topic

And could not care less about what you think

Black Cats been a criticized as a knock off of catwoman for years. Nolan probably got some of his inspiration to has Hathaway from the fact she was cast as Hardy, even if it was as the vulturess. I mean they're both feline inspired thief/superhoines. To compare them isn't a stretch.

Im just officially putting this troll on ignore. I suggest everyone else do the same

Lol, he called me sweetie!
 
Black Cats been a criticized as a knock off of catwoman for years. Nolan probably got some of his inspiration to has Hathaway from the fact she was cast as Hardy, even if it was as the vulturess. I mean they're both feline inspired thief/superhoines. To compare them isn't a stretch.



Lol, he called me sweetie!

Considering the catwoman interpretation we know today was created in the 80s and black cat was suppose to be a spider-woman villain originally...its actually makes modern Selena more of a rip off of felicia .....


Comparing is inevitable. But i still want her. And post gwen is perfect..

They just need to make her unique. I wouldn't be opposed with combing some silver sable elements to her
 
Considering the catwoman interpretation we know today was created in the 80s and black cat was suppose to be a spider-woman villain originally...its actually makes modern Selena more of a rip off of felicia .....


Comparing is inevitable. But i still want her. And post gwen is perfect..

They just need to make her unique. I wouldn't be opposed with combing some silver sable elements to her

I've never been as keen on the dc comic verse, too many retcons, and alternate timelines sooo i can't really say much. Anyway some silver sable elements might not be bad, maybe have her be a mercenary.
 
Considering the catwoman interpretation we know today was created in the 80s and black cat was suppose to be a spider-woman villain originally...its actually makes modern Selena more of a rip off of felicia .....
I was just about to mention this. I forgot where I heard this, but someone pointed this out.
 
Sorry if this isn't the case, but are people still arguing over the Gwen dying or not dying thing? Jeez...here's the answer. Marc Webb said that they were hinting towards the villain throughout the villain. *Sarcasm* I'm pretty sure they were talking about Mysterio being sick and needing a cure.

Sorry. Just saying. Back on the serious note. They were referring to Osborn throughout the whole film and if they have Gwen Stacy in the same movie trilogy as the Goblin, SHE WILL DIE. It's inevitable.
 
Sorry if this isn't the case, but are people still arguing over the Gwen dying or not dying thing? Jeez...here's the answer. Marc Webb said that they were hinting towards the villain throughout the villain. *Sarcasm* I'm pretty sure they were talking about Mysterio being sick and needing a cure.

Sorry. Just saying. Back on the serious note. They were referring to Osborn throughout the whole film and if they have Gwen Stacy in the same movie trilogy as the Goblin, SHE WILL DIE. It's inevitable.

Agree. The man in the shadows must be Osborn. The film hinted at him too many times to not be.
 

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