The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die? - Part 1

[Dagenspear]

Sorry if this isn't the case, but are people still arguing over the Gwen dying or not dying thing? Jeez...here's the answer. Marc Webb said that they were hinting towards the villain throughout the villain. *Sarcasm* I'm pretty sure they were talking about Mysterio being sick and needing a cure.

Sorry. Just saying. Back on the serious note. They were referring to Osborn throughout the whole film and if they have Gwen Stacy in the same movie trilogy as the Goblin, SHE WILL DIE. It's inevitable.

No one said that she wouldn't. I'm pretty sure she will. That doesn't mean she should. And nothing's inevitable.

 

[Dagenspear]

I think Emma is contracted for three films,so barring a long flashback scene,she probabaly won't die until 3.(if she dies at all)

I agree. A death in the final film is the best route to take, and what I'd prefer, end on complete epic tragedy, rip the audiences hearts out, it would work perfectly, and truly mean something. I mean, how many superhero film series' end on complete tragedy? Truthfully, there's only two places Gwen's would ever work for me: In the first film of the series. Or the last. But now that the first is out of the question, the last will work perfectly.

 

[LegendAssemble]

No one said that she wouldn't. I'm pretty sure she will. That doesn't mean she should. And nothing's inevitable.

Well this.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think Emma is contracted for three films,so barring a long flashback scene,she probabaly won't die until 3.(if she dies at all)

Except that means nothing... Nightcrawler, toad, and Tyler manes sabretooth all were contracted for multiple films. And they never returned.

Studios typically contract actors above what they think they will need them for. Just in case

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Also, Norman/Ben died in SM1 and both showed up again after. We could see Stone/Sheen/Leary again after their characters die. Theres always that possibility.

what id really like to know is how many films Garfield is contracted for. At least then we know if it turns into more than a trilogy, how much more will we see of this awesome Peter Parker?

 

[LegendAssemble]

Also I'd like to point out Tobey and Dunst were contracted for 6 films. The Studio gets the final call at the end of the day.

 

[Human Torch]

Except that means nothing... Nightcrawler, toad, and Tyler manes sabretooth all were contracted for multiple films. And they never returned.

Studios typically contract actors above what they think they will need them for. Just in case

The difference is they were not lead actors,but costars in an ensemble cast.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Also I'd like to point out Tobey and Dunst were contracted for 6 films. The Studio gets the final call at the end of the day.

damn thats exciting. if they were willing to do that back in 2001 I'm sure they were looking for the same with Garfield (if not more) and they are probably looking for a more permanent Peter after the results of their first reboot experience.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Also I'd like to point out Tobey and Dunst were contracted for 6 films. The Studio gets the final call at the end of the day.

The difference is they were not lead actors,but costars in an ensemble cast.

see LA's post above... and she's a supporting actress technically.. not the star of the film... spidey and connors/lizard had far more screen time than she did...

but regardless.. it matters not. studios still contract people for long lengths.. but no guarantee they will use them for that time. it's zero indication

 

[spideyboy_1111]

damn thats exciting. if they were willing to do that back in 2001 I'm sure they were looking for the same with Garfield (if not more) and they are probably looking for a more permanent Peter after the results of their first reboot experience.

that contract for 6 films was made after the first

 

[Troy_Parker]

Gwen shouldn't die in the last movie. Unless MJ is introduced in TASM 2/3 (preferably 2)... I mean even Batman got a happy ending for Christ's sake.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Gwen shouldn't die in the last movie. Unless MJ is introduced in TASM 2/3 (preferably 2)... I mean even Batman got a happy ending for Christ's sake.

Ending the trilogy on the note of Gwens death is one of those ideas that sounds better on paper than in practice. Not to mention the most interesting of the films will be the one he copes with the shock of having killed his girlfriend, feeling like he failed Uncle Ben and her father, and wondering if his powers doom him to be alone.

 

[LegendAssemble]

The difference is they were not lead actors,but costars in an ensemble cast.

Studios contract actors to appear as long as they may need them, and as long as these actors are willing to commit. It's a common misconception to think that film makers have all these upcoming projects planned out and written up. Sony and Co has no idea what coming in AMS 3, they haven't even started preproduction on it, they just have a general outline of things they MAY want to do with it. Because of that, they don't want to be screwed if they need an important actor in that film and they cant get them because of their contract.

 

[Webhead38]

Well, a couple of things worth noting... I was reading Spider-man comics when this story line came out in the early 70's. And I have to tell you, there was a huge outcry from fans. No one liked the taste that death left in their mouth, even though Norman was killed in the process. The poetic justice did not leave anyone feeling particularly rewarded. And for years following, fans demanded that she be resurrected from this fate. Of course decades after it's initial release, I think it has been homogenized as just another storyline in Spiderman's history. And for those of us who read it new, many are repulsed by this idea that Marvel decided to spare Norman Osborn later on and make Gwen even more of a victim by having him rape her too. So, in many ways, killing her AGAIN would be very bad form in retrospect to the whole history of the character. To me, this is a chance to right certain wrongs. Spare Gwen and let Norman die. And for the general public who knows nothing about this character's history, I would say it would be risky to kill her off since she was one of the most-liked characters in the retelling. That would be depressing for a summer film and turn people away to additional viewings.

 

[Shikamaru]

Well, a couple of things worth noting... I was reading Spider-man comics when this story line came out in the early 70's. And I have to tell you, there was a huge outcry from fans. No one liked the taste that death left in their mouth, even though Norman was killed in the process. The poetic justice did not leave anyone feeling particularly rewarded. And for years following, fans demanded that she be resurrected from this fate. Of course decades after it's initial release, I think it has been homogenized as just another storyline in Spiderman's history. And for those of us who read it new, many are repulsed by this idea that Marvel decided to spare Norman Osborn later on and make Gwen even more of a victim by having him rape her too. So, in many ways, killing her AGAIN would be very bad form in retrospect to the whole history of the character. To me, this is a chance to right certain wrongs. Spare Gwen and let Norman die. And for the general public who knows nothing about this character's history, I would say it would be risky to kill her off since she was one of the most-liked characters in the retelling. That would be depressing for a summer film and turn people away to additional viewings.

That would be the whole point of killing her off: because she IS so well liked by the GA and because they wouldn't expect it since it hasn't been done before in a superhero film (Dark Knight doesn't really count because Rachel was nowhere as iconic and as an important character as Gwen is and wasn't anywhere as memorable and as liked as Gwen; the whole point of bringing her in Begins was to show that Bruce can never be happy as Batman which is why they killed her off in the sequel while Peter's relationship with Gwen is ongoing and actually goes somewhere).

I think the GA will be fine with Gwen's death even if it is depressing. I don't think they'll be put off. They might not be happy about it and maybe even cry or get really upset but a good dowry is a good story regardless of how it makes you feel. In fact, if the movie gets you upset over a character's death, then that means it did a good job. In other words, the people upset over Gwen's death will admit (for the most part) that it isn't a draw the movie has. The ending of the 6th Sense is a bit tragic but no one would say it is a bad ending from an objective film critic point of view.


In fact, I believe the film will be praised for Gwen's death being a "shocking plot twist". And it would be ranked up there with TDK in being one of the comic book movies to further go against the status quo/beliefs that all superhero movies are kid friendly and for doing something no one did before in the genre (once again TDK doesn't count due to reasons stated above).

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

That would be the whole point of killing her off: because she IS so well liked by the GA and because they wouldn't expect it since it hasn't been done before in a superhero film (Dark Knight doesn't really count because Rachel was nowhere as iconic and as an important character as Gwen is and wasn't anywhere as memorable and as liked as Gwen; the whole point of bringing her in Begins was to show that Bruce can never be happy as Batman which is why they killed her off in the sequel while Peter's relationship with Gwen is ongoing and actually goes somewhere).

I think the GA will be fine with Gwen's death even if it is depressing. I don't think they'll be put off. They might not be happy about it and maybe even cry or get really upset but a good dowry is a good story regardless of how it makes you feel. In fact, if the movie gets you upset over a character's death, then that means it did a good job. In other words, the people upset over Gwen's death will admit (for the most part) that it isn't a draw the movie has. The ending of the 6th Sense is a bit tragic but no one would say it is a bad ending from an objective film critic point of view.


In fact, I believe the film will be praised for Gwen's death being a "shocking plot twist". And it would be ranked up there with TDK in being one of the comic book movies to further go against the status quo/beliefs that all superhero movies are kid friendly and for doing something no one did before in the genre (once again TDK doesn't count due to reasons stated above).

this is one of a few reasons i think she should be killed in the third film. It will indeed separate it even more from TDK. Being that TDK killed off Rachel in the second of three movies and also they will be 8 years apart by ASM3. It will also develop Gwen's character to a point where we thoroughly care about her (unlike Rachel) and it will drop inside us like a bomb.

no one has ever seen a character of Emma Stone die on screen before... it will definitely be a sight. Finally, if we are lucky Emma will stay for 3 films. thus negating any love interest recasting like in BB/TDK (shes contracted to 3). hard to care an extreme amount about Maggie Gyllenhaal's death when we only saw an hour of her as the character before her death.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Don't fool yourself own TDK....Nolan was trying to get ahead of the Spidey franchise by killing off a made for film character before they do it with a future film featuring a real comic book character in Gwen Stacy.

 

[Human Torch]

she's a supporting actress technically.. not the star of the film... spidey and connors/lizard had far more screen time than she did...

She's still the lead actress.It's still not a case of "we don't really need her for this film."like the X-men films.

 

[Webhead38]

Well Capt Stacey's dying wish to Peter (in the movie) really changes the whole dynamic of Peter's responsibility in this, if Gwen does get killed. In the comics, when Stacey is dying, he tells Peter to take care of her. THAT was his burden. And THAT was the added tragedy to Pete's loss. But in the movie, Stacey tells Peter to keep her out of it. He wants Peter to leave her alone so she doesn't become a victim by his association. Well Peter changes his mind at movie's end. So that places ownership squarely on Peter now. If she dies, he will be directly responsible for ignoring her dying father's request and that will make him look selfish and reckless.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think Webb intended it that way

 

[LegendAssemble]

She's still the lead actress.It's still not a case of "we don't really need her for this film."like the X-men films.

Thats irrelevant, she's not the title character, she's replaceable.

Well Capt Stacey's dying wish to Peter (in the movie) really changes the whole dynamic of Peter's responsibility in this, if Gwen does get killed. In the comics, when Stacey is dying, he tells Peter to take care of her. THAT was his burden. And THAT was the added tragedy to Pete's loss. But in the movie, Stacey tells Peter to keep her out of it. He wants Peter to leave her alone so she doesn't become a victim by his association. Well Peter changes his mind at movie's end. So that places ownership squarely on Peter now. If she dies, he will be directly responsible for ignoring her dying father's request and that will make him look selfish and reckless.

I still think she should die but at least you're the first anti death poster to have a decent point.

 

[Human Torch]

Thats irrelevant, she's not the title character, she's replaceable.

By that logic every actor besides Garfield is replaceable.

Why not Garfield too?If it was good enough for Norton.....

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

By that logic every actor besides Garfield is replaceable.

Why not Garfield too?If it was good enough for Norton.....

actually by that logic they might as well kill off Peter and bring in Miles Morales. Itd still be Spider-Man cuz we have our title character right? -_-

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I think Webb intended it that way

besides, as I said before, he didn't yet break the promise. He only said "but those are the best kind" which was basically being nice to Gwen and saying that he still wants to be with her

I predict that he is still gonna have trouble with the promise at the beginning of TASM2 before he actually eventually breaks the promise. And then he learns the ultimate lesson when breaking that promise leads directly to Gwen's demise

 

[Dagenspear]

Well this.

That's not true at all. Things change, ideas change, actors, directors, writers, producers get fired, quit, or die. That's just the way of the world. And some people have to grow up and accept that. With change always comes with the potential of something better. Whether something is or isn't can't be stated until it's actually seen.