Who do you want to see as Captain Marvel?

[Loki882]

I think that Chastain would better fit Medusa in the Inhumans movie (she's perfect for that role). Still if she were cast as Carol, I certainly wouldn't complain.

 

[cph9fa]

I think shes gonna make an appearance in GOTG2.

Gunn has said that he doesn't want other earthlings in GotG2. He wants that to be Quill's thing.

 

[flickchick85]

Chastain wouldn't be my top choice for Carol but I certainly wouldn't be complaining if she were cast either. We'd be lucky to have her, imo, and it's a role far more worthy of her talents than what she was up for in IM3.

 

[Havok83]

Gunn has said that he doesn't want other earthlings in GotG2. He wants that to be Quill's thing.

and Marvel's plans may supersede that. Carol making an appearance doesn't take away from it being Quill's thing. For all we know a post credit cameo could be all they might use her for there

 

[flickchick85]

I doubt Carol will show up in GotG2, but it's certainly a possibility. I think Mar-Vell is more likely to show up there than anything. Carol being a military pilot seems more likely to pop up in Cap3, IF she's gonna show up pre-Infinity War, imo.

 

[Loki882]

Given how much creative freedom Gunn apparently got with GOTG, I kind of doubt that Marvel would step in now and declare that he HAS to include a character that he doesn't want to. Especially since there are other films where you could introduce Carol, and more naturally/organically to boot. Heck her popping up in AOS would probably be a more natural fit than GOTG 2.

 

[Human Torch]

Yeah,I don't see Carol showing up in GOTG2.There are better ways to introduce her.

 

[Havok83]

Given how much creative freedom Gunn apparently got with GOTG, I kind of doubt that Marvel would step in now and declare that he HAS to include a character that he doesn't want to. Especially since there are other films where you could introduce Carol, and more naturally/organically to boot. Heck her popping up in AOS would probably be a more natural fit than GOTG 2.

Yeah,I don't see Carol showing up in GOTG2.There are better ways to introduce her.

who said anything about her being introduced in GoTG2? She likely will get that in AoU as rumored. That doesn't mean she cant get a brief cameo in GoTG2 to lay the groundwork for her own solo the following year

 

[cph9fa]

who said anything about her being introduced in GoTG2?

Second post on this page, I quote someone who suggests that. But yeah, I don't see it happening either (nor do I think it should). Mar-Vell, maybe, but probably not.

 

[Havok83]

Second post on this page, I quote someone who suggests that. But yeah, I don't see it happening either (nor do I think it should). Mar-Vell, maybe, but probably not.

Fair enough. I think GOTG2 is too far off to have her debut. They need to start building her up NOW. A 2015 movie, preferably AoU, would be the best move for Marvel to start giving her some slow momentum

 

[BatsDC]

Carol will probably have a cameo in AoU

 

[PelvicSorcery]

Well, if Chastain were cast, then whoever it was who said that they thought Captain Marvel should be about Carol being a heroic human pilot without powers for most of the movie and subverting the genre and playing against expectations, then this is what Jessica has to say about that in that interview above:

"...here’s the thing with me… If you’re going to be in a superhero movie, you only get one chance. You’re that character forever. So why do a superhero movie and play the boring civilian?”

She's been vocal about not wanting to play a one and done side character or love interest, so she's mainly referring to that. She dropped out of negotiations to play Maya in Iron Man 3, and her talents definitely would have been wasted on such a lame character.

There's no way Captain Marvel doesn't have her powers for most of the film though. I would love to see her as a normal civilian pilot in other films leading up to her gaining her powers though.

Either way, the fact that such a well respected and talented actress is interested in playing a Marvel superhero is very cool. I hope they work something out with her. I don't know why anyone would prefer any of these other no name TV actresses.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think we'll see Mar-Vell cameo in GotG2 and play a role in Infinity War pt I before going down in Captain Marvel.

I don't think Carol will have a cameo in AoU. If she'd been cast, they'd want to bring her out at the El Capitan theatre. Nah. That movie is four years away. It's not cast.

I think her first appearance will be in Infinity War pt I, I think that will be her cameo before her solo debut. I don't believe they need to start building her up before her big solo debut. In fact, I think taking away her newness before her debut as a solo movie can actually work against her, especially if she's not doing something very cool like BP is in CA:CW. A "late" splash might be much better for her than an early trickle.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Maybe introduce her in CIVIL WAR?

 

[Loki882]

She's been vocal about not wanting to play a one and done side character or love interest, so she's mainly referring to that. She dropped out of negotiations to play Maya in Iron Man 3, and her talents definitely would have been wasted on such a lame character.

There's no way Captain Marvel doesn't have her powers for most of the film though. I would love to see her as a normal civilian pilot in other films leading up to her gaining her powers though.

Either way, the fact that such a well respected and talented actress is interested in playing a Marvel superhero is very cool. I hope they work something out with her. I don't know why anyone would prefer any of these other no name TV actresses.

Heck that role was a waste of Rebecca Hall's talents. And you don't market this as the first female-led superhero movie that you've done only to then have her spend half or three-quarters of the movie non-powered. That'd be a waste and would just annoy people even more.

 

[Havok83]

I think we'll see Mar-Vell cameo in GotG2 and play a role in Infinity War pt I before going down in Captain Marvel.

I don't think Carol will have a cameo in AoU. If she'd been cast, they'd want to bring her out at the El Capitan theatre. Nah. That movie is four years away. It's not cast.

I think her first appearance will be in Infinity War pt I, I think that will be her cameo before her solo debut. I don't believe they need to start building her up before her big solo debut. In fact, I think taking away her newness before her debut as a solo movie can actually work against her, especially if she's not doing something very cool like BP is in CA:CW. A "late" splash might be much better for her than an early trickle.

I kind of feel she needs it bc women traditionally dont do well in the box office when it comes to headlining comic films. Captain Marvel is a relative unknown to the general audience. I think Marvel needs to start building a name for her so that people will be checking for her film by the time it comes.

 

[Loki882]

I hate that argument. How many hundreds of male-led action/superhero movies have bombed, and yet people never make the argument that the audience doesn't want to see more of those. The simple fact is that there haven't been many female-led CBM's, a handful really. And pretty much all of those have been terribly-made and poorly-marketed. When was the last one even made, a decade ago? I just hate that double-standard. We've seen in recent years that action movies focuses around female characters CAN sell.

 

[Dark Raven]

I kind of feel she needs it bc women traditionally dont do well in the box office when it comes to headlining comic films. Captain Marvel is a relative unknown to the general audience. I think Marvel needs to start building a name for her so that people will be checking for her film by the time it comes.

Plus audiences might be already invested in her story before her own movie comes around, so will want to check it out to see what happens next, more so than just to see the new female-led superhero movie.

It needs to be unmissable, either by tying a large part of it into Infinity War 1 or in some other way. It's like these crossovers between two shows (some of which are related - eg CSI, Arrow & Flash, and others which aren't that much). If they start the story in one, you're not going to just skip on the other show just because you don't normally watch that. You'll see it because you'll want to know what happens next in the story.

 

[DrCosmic]

I kind of feel she needs it bc women traditionally dont do well in the box office when it comes to headlining comic films. Captain Marvel is a relative unknown to the general audience. I think Marvel needs to start building a name for her so that people will be checking for her film by the time it comes.

Catwoman and Elektra being built up didn't help them one whit, some could argue it hurt them by having them seem like a film about supporting cast. When women don't do well in the box office, it's not because they have matching chromosomes, it's a whole series of cause and effect. Introducing a less interesting version of her early isn't going to get people excited about her having powers. Either they'll like her without powers, or won't like her at all. A cameo could be nice for the fans, but the general audience needs to get hit upside the head with awesomeness. There's not a lot you can do with a pilot amidst the Avengers to make a random excited about seeing that pilot with super powers in a few years.

Superheroine films do badly because they're bad films. To overcome the superheroine films are bad films issue, they need to do three simple things:

1) Get people on board writing, acting, filming, editing and all of that who are talented but don't see the character as a sex object, and will not rely on the character's sex appeal to create any appeal for the film at all. This will force them to make a great movie instead of relying on fetishism or anything else to shore up a cardboard cutout of a character. No one wants to be passionate about making a movie that focuses on the love interest, so make sure everyone knows and believes they are working on a main character, someone who has a love interest, not someone who is some kind of love interest for the audience.

2) Give her a typical girl storyline to get the general audience's feminine side. This doesn't have to be done in a typical Rom-Com way. Hunger Games did it. Heck, Kill Bill did it. At the end of the day there's a plot-driving love triangle there, there's a woman scorned trying to get her daughter back there. You can subvert them, but you need those tropes. Running a straight revenge/action plot doesn't grab the general audience... or the filmmakers.

3) Make the male lead badarse to keep the male power fantasy audience. (See Mr. and Mrs. Smith vs Salt.)

With that, you won't have anyone turning in half hearted work, you'll have a great movie and while there will be some loss in audience from those who just "don't buy" a woman hitting a man and him being hurt on general principle, it will be more than made up for in people who hold Carol, and what her movie represents, as a feminist icon.

 

[cph9fa]

^^^ This goes hand-in-hand with the "talented writers" mentioned in (1), but...

4) Don't get "preachy" in the dialogue, constantly talking about how women can do great things (or conversely, how amazing it is that a woman is doing these things). Show, don't tell. The audience isn't stupid.

 

[Dark Raven]

Catwoman and Elektra being built up didn't help them one whit, some could argue it hurt them by having them seem like a film about supporting cast. When women don't do well in the box office, it's not because they have matching chromosomes, it's a whole series of cause and effect. Introducing a less interesting version of her early isn't going to get people excited about her having powers. Either they'll like her without powers, or won't like her at all. A cameo could be nice for the fans, but the general audience needs to get hit upside the head with awesomeness. There's not a lot you can do with a pilot amidst the Avengers to make a random excited about seeing that pilot with super powers in a few years.

To overcome the women issue, you need to do three simple things:

1) Get people on board, writing, acting, filming, editing and all of that who are talented but don't see the character as a sex object, and will not rely on the character's sex appeal to create any appeal for the film at all. This will force them to make a great movie instead of relying on fetishism or anything else to shore up a cardboard cutout of a character. No one wants to be passionate about making a movie that focuses on the love interest, so make sure everyone knows and believes they are working on a main character, someone who has a love interest, not someone who is some kind of love interest for the audience.

2) Give her a typical girl storyline to get the general audience's feminine side. This doesn't have to be done in a typical Rom-Com way. Hunger Games did it. Heck, Kill Bill did it. At the end of the day there's a plot-driving love triangle there, there's a woman scorned trying to get her daughter back there. You can subvert them, but you need those tropes. Running a straight revenge/action plot doesn't grab the general audience... or the filmmakers.

3) Make the male lead badarse to keep the male power fantasy audience. (See Mr. and Mrs. Smith vs Salt.)

With that, you won't have anyone turning in half hearted work, you'll have a great movie and while there will be some loss in audience from those who just "don't buy" a woman hitting a man and him being hurt on general principle, it will be more than made up for in people who hold Carol, and what her movie represents, as a feminist icon.

Catwoman's movie wasn't connected to any previous version of Catwoman who had debuted before. Certainly not the Selina Kyle version who first appeared in Batman Returns. Halle Berry's Catwoman was Patience Phillips, a completely unrelated character. So her example doesn't apply here, since she wasn't built up at all.

With Elektra, the movie didn't even feel connected to the Affleck DD movie. Suddenly Elektra was this obsessive compulsive with quite a different character and personality to when she appeared in DD. She was now more laconic and brooding compared to the previous movie, and in Elektra they seemed to make it as if she was like that all along. So even if they did build her up before, this was almost like a different interpretation of the character starring the same actress.

DD didn't even appear in the theatrical cut. And the film was boring and rather slow, especially at the start.

 

[DrCosmic]

^^^ This goes hand-in-hand with the "talented writers" mentioned in (1), but...

4) Don't get "preachy" in the dialogue, constantly talking about how women can do great things (or conversely, how amazing it is that a woman is doing these things). Show, don't tell. The audience isn't stupid.

Yes, LOL!!!! It's not the 90s anymore, you can't just yell out 'Girl Power!'

Catwoman's movie wasn't connected to any previous version of Catwoman who had debuted before. Certainly not the Selina Kyle version who first appeared in Batman Returns. Halle Berry's Catwoman was Patience Phillips, a completely unrelated character. So her example doesn't apply here, since she wasn't built up at all.

With Elektra, the movie didn't even feel connected to the Affleck DD movie. Suddenly Elektra was this obsessive compulsive with quite a different character and personality to when she appeared in DD. She was now more laconic and brooding compared to the previous movie, and in Elektra they seemed to make it as if she was like that all along. So even if they did build her up before, this was almost like a different interpretation of the character starring the same actress.

DD didn't even appear in the theatrical cut. And the film was boring and rather slow, especially at the start.

All very true. I wasn't talking so much about continuity as much as appeal. Patience Philips expanded on the Batman Returns Catwoman origin which connected those two films even further than just naming the film Catwoman, even though they had different continuities. Elektra was highly recognizable as the character from DD. I don't think a Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman movie or an Elektra with her DD personality would have made them more appealing to audiences. They still would have been bad movies.

 

[harryoscop]

Chanstain might be a little too old for Carol..

 

[smashmode]

Chastain should be Angela.

 

[BatsDC]

Chastain should be Moonstone

I want Blunt v Chastain dammit