Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 2

[ernesth100]

It would be hilarious if they did Vulture and Peter see's Vulture fly over head but just barely. And is all like

"Falcon?"
and Vulture is just sitting there like -_- "really?"

 

[AvegningSpider]

As Venom's Dad suggested, Vulture, Spot and Kraven sound very good for the trilogy
Vulture has the benefit of the spectacle,Spider-Man and him fighting while Peter freefalls and webs up to catch up to Toomes, also you have the parallel of Adrian (Old, evil, very dramatic) and Peter(Young,good and master quiper).
Spot has the follow up to the spectacle, the guy is a TELEPORTER, he cheated death, he can access to an alternate dimension to get arround, if he was given the same treatment as Sandman, Kraven and Doc Ock, the guy would probably be A-List. (or at least B)
And Kraven.....just adapt Last Hunt people, there is no way to get arround it.

 

[harryoscop]

I'd rather see Ock, Goblin or Venom as the villain for the third film, and Kraven as the second film villain. Spot is a waste of a villain slot imo.

 

[ernesth100]

I honestly cannot concieve a single reason why they'd choose such an obscure and unknown forgetton and unthought of villain like the Spot. I mean I understand whoever brought it up was likely just trying to spark a conversation while we wait. But come on bro.

 

[I'm Venom]

Vulture seems like a good option to me... in fact that reminds me of the recent story where Vulture was endowing people with wing-suits to do crimes, and that makes me think any situation where a villain is recruiting from Peter's school could be an efficient plot solution.

 

[The Overlord]

Overlord, I agree with much you are saying...I take it Mysterio is one of your favorite. In the comics, Mysterio, like most, are written so inconsistent because of the number of writers writing their version or spin on whatever character.

I think Mysterio in the comics is a good gimmick and concept, but he really is not a character in the comics. The film makers have to add to his character, because there is very little to work with from the comics.

I have seen a lot of people say they are sick of sympathetic villains, but what is the true opposite of a sympathetic villain, a monstrous villain or villain who is essentially a "big meanie head"? I want to see a monstrous Mysterio, a villain who uses his talents in ruthless and cruel ways, rather some jerk who robs banks and hurts Spidey's feelings. A truly awful Mysterio would make for a more cinematic experience. Mysterio is the B-list villain I see being a truly awful person, he has no good sympathetic motive and his gimmick can easily invoke psychological horror.

personally i do still want to see goblin done again and done right but first we need to do at least the first two films with fresh new story and villains yet to make it on the screen. Then do goblin story for 3rd film, or like i brought up make 3rd film a sinister 6 plot. We can easily build it up over the first two films. Have a shadowy figure pulling the strings(kingpin/doc ock as master planner identity) do 2 villains per film and at end of the film they get locked up in jail. Then the 3rd film they break out via the 5th member of the group and the leader is revealed and there you go a built up story and you are good to go.

But how do you do the Goblin right? With Norman Osborn, there is two different versions of the character, there is the mental ill guy with a few redeeming traits from the Silver Age and the pure evil psychopath he is the modern era. Which version is the "right" one? It seems like the first movie tried to do the Silver Age Goblin.

 

[BarryAllen]

im not re-visioning squat.. the GOTG roster team in the comics was getting some very good praise prior to the announcement. Do you honestly think we would have gotten a GOTG movie if the comic readers weren't liking or finding that team popular?

sorry, i can't get over how terrible these ideas are..

We got a GotG movie because Kevin Fiege thought the concept had potential and could work as a summer blockbuster, not because the team was popular. The GotG comics had dismal sales prior to the announcement of the movie, and they were always seen as a niche group (kinda like where characters like Agents of Atlas or the monster version of the Howling Commandos are right now). The same thing with the Inhumans and Jessica Jones. Nobody was clamoring for an Inhuman movie before, and then the announcement came, and Marvel is pushing them like never before. Fiege knew that the Inhumans was a franchise that had the potential to be greater. Look at Jessica Jones. Many comic fans wrote her off for years because all she did was stand in the background carrying Luke's baby (with many of those fans saying JJ was stagnating Luke as a character). Nobody was asking for a Jessica Jones show. Lo and behold, Marvel put out a Jessica Jones show because they knew she could bring something new to the table, and now fan perception to the character has changed.

for the last time.. NO THEY ARE NOT... THE GENERAL AUDIENCE IS NOT MADE UP OF UNCULTURED, DIM WITTED BUFFOONS...

if anything is more evident than ever, fanboys, geeks, nerds.. etc.. are constantly becoming more and more main stream and popular. Hollywood is banking more and more on nostalgia more than ever.

the new TMNT movie is doing that in spades with Beebop, Rocksteady, Casey Jones, Baxter Stockman, and Krang...

do you really think the stereotypical "general audience" you speak of cares about these characters? or are hyping it? no... that's the people who grew up with the cartoons... all the generations who grew up with the cartoons.

EVERY generation has grown up with a spider-man cartoon if you're under the age of 50...

not everyone who grew up watching a cartoon stuck with the books, or bought the toys.. but they would remember the characters even if they weren't ever invested in them.. and just refer to someone like mysterio as the "magic fishbowl headed guy". And at this point in time this is likely the mass majority who make up the so called "general audience" ARE these people.

Man-Bat and Clayface have never appeared in a bat-man movie so far... and you can sure as bet majority of the audience seeing that batman film will have some familiarity even if just knowledge by name or look...

LMFAO. I think you are vastly overestimating the general audience's investment in these characters. Most of them don't give a **** about a villain that they saw on a cartoon they grew up on watching as a kid. If anything, most of them only care about the heroes, because those are the faces of the franchise. Only A-list villains like Joker, Harley Quinn and Catwoman have broken that barrier because of how mainstream they are and how much media exposure they've gotten on all levels. To the average non-comic book reading moviegoer, Mysterio is just as unknown as any other character.

And not knowing comic book characters doesn't make them uncultured, dim-witted buffoons...

I don't plan to talk about him anymore, because he's not one of my top picks for the villain. But I just get a little irritated when people start insulting the creative ideas of myself and other members.

Yeah, I defiently agree with you there. I never said I want Prowler to be the villain, but just a villain that could potentially be used. I think Prowler could be a really nice parallel to Peter Parker, and a bad guy who is manipulated by a bigger villain. I'm not against Mysterio at all, and actually think he'd be a great choice (certainly better than Vulture), but that doesn't prevent me from exploring other avenues.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think Mysterio in the comics is a good gimmick and concept, but he really is not a character in the comics. The film makers have to add to his character, because there is very little to work with from the comics.

In essence, I agree...film wise, writers will have to take some liberties with his character, to flush out some personality and inherit flaws in that personality, that regular, everyday people may find egregious.

I have seen a lot of people say they are sick of sympathetic villains, but what is the true opposite of a sympathetic villain, a monstrous villain or villain who is essentially a "big meanie head"? I want to see a monstrous Mysterio, a villain who uses his talents in ruthless and cruel ways, rather some jerk who robs banks and hurts Spidey's feelings. A truly awful Mysterio would make for a more cinematic experience. Mysterio is the B-list villain I see being a truly awful person, he has no good sympathetic motive and his gimmick can easily invoke psychological horror.

I don't mind the character having some psychosis, much like what you are saying...but I would want it to controlled & contrived(deliberately)...not something on the fringe...so yes, I agree with your sentiments.

 

[Webhead2006]

personally i would love to see them as i brought up being in minor or z lister guys for little roles. IE a z lister to beat up in opening of the film, or if we have a montage deal like past films have done to highlight x amount of time passing and we toss in known comics guys to film the standard regular muggers and all that. Then the slightly more known guys could end up being a secondardy threat to the main villain plot of the film.

 

[Whatupman]

I would really like to see Hobgoblin in a movie. Not in the first one, too close to Green Goblin, but maybe in a third one. He's one of my favourite Spider-Man villains, and I hope we see him before Green Goblin.

 

[Webhead2006]

I wouldn't want hobgoblin before green. More so if norman is around and all. I do want to see Hobgoblin but I want to see green goblin done in more correct light.

Personally I would like to see 3rd film be a sinister 6 film l. If we don't end up doing goblin or venom by that point. And more so if we do a few foes per film and they get locked up. And please no offing the baddies. We would have a easy set up for s6 film.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I'd prefer Spot over Vulture. Way more interesting.

 

[Whatupman]

I wouldn't want hobgoblin before green. More so if norman is around and all. I do want to see Hobgoblin but I want to see green goblin done in more correct light.

Personally I would like to see 3rd film be a sinister 6 film l. If we don't end up doing goblin or venom by that point. And more so if we do a few foes per film and they get locked up. And please no offing the baddies. We would have a easy set up for s6 film.

Yeah, I would also like to see Green Goblin finally be done right. But he has been done, if not perfectly, and it feels like we're never gonna see Hobgoblin if Green Goblin shows up again. But now I contradict myself, 'cause I really want to see a great version of Norman Osborn and Green Goblin too. Hmm.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya its a tough call. And like I pointed out before we can't look at things now as 3 films and we are done. We can see characters and events play out in other mcu films, netflix or aos now too. Even though I prefer some things to be in a spidey film. But who knows what will happen.

 

[younglink42]

If you look from Sony's point of view, they probably will want as many movies as they can push out. They had Amazing Spider-Man 4 slated without any plan for it, or it seemed that way at least. Even Andrew and Marc didn't know about it.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya of course the amount of solos will be dependent on each film success, actors contracts and will x solo film fit into plans for z sequel or x new film for x phase marvel is doing.

 

[I'm Venom]

I'd like to see somebody like Vulture. We haven't really had a real villain yet. Like somebody who's a dick. Goblin is crazy, Ock is crazy and sympathetic, and Sandman was trying to help his daughter. Even Venom is partially the way he is because of the symbiote. Vulture is a guy who's a real villain. He's not a villain because he's insane or tragic, he's just villainous. It'd be a change of pace for the series to have a villain who wants money and power for the sake of having money and power.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

Vulture sucks

 

[ernesth100]

Vulture sucks in my opinion

Can't argue with an opinion.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

Ha it very much is my opinion

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Ha it very much is my opinion

My opinion too. Old dude in a wing suit doesn't a compelling villain make. You can argue that his small detail of backstory in Sensational was the best characterization he's ever had

 

[AvegningSpider]

My opinion too. Old dude in a wing suit doesn't a compelling villain make. You can argue that his small detail of backstory in Sensational was the best characterization he's ever had

Vulture has potential to be a good villain, but again also Spot, as much as he is a C-D lister, the guy has potential to the MAX.

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

Vulture sucks

I agree with this fact

 

[I'm Venom]

I believe that Vulture paired up with another villain would work well for the first movie. Kraven needs to make his appearance, and I think the second movie would be the best time to do so, because Spidey would be an established hero by then. The third villain could be Venom, but only if Brock and the symbiote have been set up across the three movies not trying to cram everything into the final movie. The symbiote doesn't need to be referenced right away but by the second movie, its presence should be known.

 

[Webhead2006]

At this rate for folks here most think this or that villain can't work for lead baddie. I guess we won't have any super being baddy in the film thst would work best for all. I guess we just have to drop the film cause oh no bad guy could possibly work....