Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 2

[ernesth100]

I want a villain that can physically hurt Spidey real bad. I dunno why but I like how Spider-Man gets beat up and gets up and keeps fighting. If he was an adult it'd be cool. But plain, the fact that he's a teen still in his high school years makes it so much more interesting.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I found it weird that you didn't put Flash in it, yet again most of people besides comic fans don't know some of his Rogues, so......yeah..

Don't know much of the Flash aside from the Justice League books...Never really got into the Flash solos. A friend tried to turn me on to the G. Johns run a decade or so ago with the Blood Will Run trade... Character (Wally, Barry, etc) doesn't really do it for me..I know people rate his rogues highly, but from what I know/read/seen, I wouldn't put it above FF....You're free to disagree of course. Some would be surprised I rate DD's rogues higher. Easily the most underrated rogues from the lists I've seen over the years. Seems like FF's is becoming so as well.

 

[ernesth100]

Batmans rogues are best.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

https://youtu.be/8WxiIBQI8Uc

Really good points. I disagree that sinister 6 is a good idea but the reasons all make sense: the villains should be an obstacle to Peters personal life and not some 'destroy the world' type deal.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Batmans rogues are best.

It's either his or Spidey's. I like Spidey's more. Flip a coin. After that it's DD and FF for me.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I'd give the top spot to Bats because his Rogues have the most potential "big bads". Spidey has an amazing gallery, but not nearly as many of his villains can really carry a whole arc/movie.

 

[Webhead2006]

Blast that video was posted over a month ago and was posted here if I recall.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I'd give the top spot to Bats because his Rogues have the most potential "big bads". Spidey has an amazing gallery, but not nearly as many of his villains can really carry a whole arc/movie.

Double digits (10 at least). Purple Man just carried a whole series brilliantly. A couple of years ago some would have laughed at that idea....It's about vision and execution, something this series has criminally lacked for nearly a decade.

 

[ernesth100]

Spider-Man 2017: Mysterio and A Human Background Figure(Osborn, Fisk, Silvermane, Hammerhead)-A personal emotional story deals with Peters psyci and the burden of being Spider-Man on such a young hero.

Sequel: Kraven(and maybe another villain like Chameleon)-expand on the tone of the first film and Peter trying to protect the ones he loves as well.


Third Film: Vulture and another villain(Shocker or Scorpion) so fans don't complain and b*** about Vulture being boring.-Make this a film less about punching and action and more about Peter using his brillaint mind for once.


Fourth:Venom and/or Carnage-It's been a long enough wait, have an movie focused completely and totally on Peter his relationship with Eddie Brock. Or Flash or whoever they make Venom.
(Also not sure which one of these films, but one should include a cameo from an Avenger or if the Netflix film bond is secured more freely, Daredevil.)


>If They Make It Beyond 4


-Five: Sinister 6-It's the obvious choice. This should be a defining and terrifying moment for Peter. Have him beaten to near death in the first fight with the 6. The go away for a while, the 6 go on a crime spree unstoppable for a bit. And


-Sixth Film: Goblin, this should be more than a long enough break for Goblin


This is where I'd end it off. Norman becomes Goblin finds out who Peter is, puts the ones he loves in danger. Then Peter beats Goblin somehow and continues on as Spider-Man.


By this time it should late 2020s to early 2030s. Holland should look like an adult Peter. End it there is what I say.

 

[harryoscop]

Spider-Man 2017: Mysterio and A Human Background Figure(Osborn, Fisk, Silvermane, Hammerhead)-A personal emotional story deals with Peters psyci and the burden of being Spider-Man on such a young hero.

Sequel: Kraven(and maybe another villain like Chameleon)-expand on the tone of the first film and Peter trying to protect the ones he loves as well.


Third Film: Vulture and another villain(Shocker or Scorpion) so fans don't complain and b*** about Vulture being boring.-Make this a film less about punching and action and more about Peter using his brillaint mind for once.


Fourth:Venom and/or Carnage-It's been a long enough wait, have an movie focused completely and totally on Peter his relationship with Eddie Brock. Or Flash or whoever they make Venom.
(Also not sure which one of these films, but one should include a cameo from an Avenger or if the Netflix film bond is secured more freely, Daredevil.)


>If They Make It Beyond 4


-Five: Sinister 6-It's the obvious choice. This should be a defining and terrifying moment for Peter. Have him beaten to near death in the first fight with the 6. The go away for a while, the 6 go on a crime spree unstoppable for a bit. And


-Sixth Film: Goblin, this should be more than a long enough break for Goblin


This is where I'd end it off. Norman becomes Goblin finds out who Peter is, puts the ones he loves in danger. Then Peter beats Goblin somehow and continues on as Spider-Man.


By this time it should late 2020s to early 2030s. Holland should look like an adult Peter. End it there is what I say.

I find your lack of Doctor Octavius... Very disturbing.

 

[Oscorp]

Double digits (10 at least). Purple Man just carried a whole series brilliantly. A couple of years ago some would have laughed at that idea....It's about vision and execution, something this series has criminally lacked for nearly a decade.

Yeah, while not all of Spidey's famous villains can carry a film solo, I think most of them have big screen potential. I'm a Spider-Man fan more than a Batman fan so I might be biased, but as a whole I like Spider-Man's rogues gallery more than Batman's. I'd put Batman as second on a top rogues gallery list though.

This would be my list:

1) Spider-Man
2) Batman
3) X-Men
4) Superman
5) Fantastic 4
6) Captain America

 

[ernesth100]

I find your lack of Doctor Octavius... Very disturbing.

I completely forgot he existed for a second. Strange cause he's one of my top 5 villains. I always assumed he'd be Osborns right hand man. Possibly turning evil sometime down the road and secretly forming up the Sinister 6.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I find your lack of Doctor Octavius... Very disturbing.

I find the lack of Ends of Earth, Hobgoblin, and the fact that Carnage appears EVEN MORE disturbing.

 

[ernesth100]

I find the lack of Ends of Earth, Hobgoblin, and the fact that Carnage appears EVEN MORE disturbing.

I find the fact that you find my opinions disturbing, disturbing.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I find the fact that you find my opinions disturbing, disturbing.

I find the fact that you didn't realize i was saying a joke disturbing.
But being serious, that really sounds like something most of us want (Except for me wanting Carnage, i dislike Carnage).

 

[harryoscop]

I find the fact that you didn't realize i was saying a joke disturbing.
But being serious, that really sounds like something most of us want (Except for me wanting Carnage, i dislike Carnage).

I would switch up Vulture with Venom or Ock for the third film and do a Kraven/Lizard combo for the second film.

 

[Webhead2006]

For me I still say if we get 2 villains per film 1 main and 1 secondary. An if they don't off baddies. Really hope they dont. Been a problem with mcu villains lol. By 3rd film we have a nice easy set up to do sinister 6.

Like I said before between films 1 and 2 we have a shadow figure how is controlling or using the baddies we do see to attack spidey. And at end of film 1 and 2 said villains get sent to jail. So then we open said 3rd film. With the villains in jail complaining about spidey.

And we cam have said mystery figure contact them in jail. And ask if they like to all get the spider. So then the mystery guy sends in final member of group to bust them out.

So then they get out meet the mystery guy. As revealed to be doc ock going by master planner stych. And film has a perfect set up right there. And a natural progression from first two films.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Master Planner, Big Man, Kingpin, there, three perfect options to recruit the Sinister Six.
Speaking of which if we ever get the Six, which members would you all like?

 

[harryoscop]

Master Planner, Big Man, Kingpin, there, three perfect options to recruit the Sinister Six.
Speaking of which if we ever get the Six, which members would you all like?

- Doc Ock
- Rhino
- Sandman
- Shocker
- Mysterio
- Vulture

 

[Webhead2006]

Well since we know marvel likely want to use more guys who haven't been in film yet before we see some others.

I would say the lineup would be:
Mysterio
Chameleon
Kraven
shocker
Vulture
Them the final member ideally should be doc ock. But if they don't want to use him yet. I wouldn't mind if it ends up someone else. But has to be good one.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I say there's no way we get the Sinister 6 in the first film (maybe not even the first trilogy, if he get the symbiote in IW), so they're fine to reuse a villain at that point. My call would be:

Dr. Octopus
Mysterio
Kraven
Vulture
Rhino
-Lesser known villain-

Ideally, Norman would be pulling the strings and, of course, wind up betraying the 6, setting up a later showdown with him as Green Goblin. I could see it going like this:

1:Mysterio
2:Kraven + Symbiote
3:Venom
Avengers: Dark Reign: Norman goes insane, disapears w/vendetta against Spidey
4:Spider Slayers/Scorpion + Doc Ock intro
5: Sinister 6
6: Green Goblin

Like others said, I doubt we go beyond 6 films unless they choose to introduce Miles.

 

[CaptainWagner]

And then the Agent Venom spinoff (Probably only 3 films there)

1: Lord Ogre & Jack O'Lantern
2: Carnage
3: Mr. Negative

 

[Webhead2006]

oh of course we should never have s6 in first or 2nd film. But come on as i pointed out we could easily see build up between first and second film. Also including civil war/infinity wars and what other films spidey may be in before a 3rd solo happens. We could easily do sinister 6 by 3rd film. Then just going straight to venom, or green goblin. Who of course yes i want them and ock done over and done right. But you can easily do sinister 6 by a 3rd film.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Yeah, while not all of Spidey's famous villains can carry a film solo, I think most of them have big screen potential. I'm a Spider-Man fan more than a Batman fan so I might be biased, but as a whole I like Spider-Man's rogues gallery more than Batman's. I'd put Batman as second on a top rogues gallery list though.

This would be my list:

1) Spider-Man
2) Batman
3) X-Men
4) Superman
5) Fantastic 4
6) Captain America

I have a hard time thinking of a villain that could carry a Spiderman movie by itself outside of Ock and Goblin. Looking at the usual structure of a Spidey story: Peter is dealing with school life or some other personal dilemma. A villain arises to do basic badguy things. From there on it's half n half of personal drama and life of hero. How that could be expanded to a movie that doesn't feel like an expanded tv episode is beyond me. SM1 and SM2 did it well. But then again they used the 2 best Spiderman villains of the rogues gallery. So my bet is, they simply have to have the ability to write a very untraditional Spiderman story that still makes room for the trademark soap opera elements in order to make this succeed

 

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think we're going to see a single villain in these renditions of Spiderman...and if this does turn out to be true(and this is just my gut feeling), this conversation about "a" particular villain carrying a film, would be obsolete.