The Avengers "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be Hemsworthy, shall possess the power of Thor" - Part 4

[Smashlilman]

Its very simple. A helmet can restrict the character's ability to emote and move because they are worrying about a giant thing on their heads

Which its why you don't have to have the character wear the Helmet for 100% of the movie. No one saying that Thor should put on his helmet on and never take it off. We just want scenes (action and none action) with the helmet on.

 

[JAK®]

Its very simple. A helmet can restrict the character's ability to emote and move because they are worrying about a giant thing on their heads

Didn't stop Captain America.

 

[Venomfan]

Its very simple. A helmet can restrict the character's ability to emote and move because they are worrying about a giant thing on their heads

Lokis is way more restricting than Thors and it worked fine

 

[BigThor]

Lokis is way more restricting than Thors and it worked fine

Clearly, it's funny how people always seem to overlook this.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Lokis is way more restricting than Thors and it worked fine

The thing with Loki is he wears his out of arrogance. After all, he did intend to rule the humans, so a King should have his crown.

From what we saw in the first Thor, Loki's crown seemed to be meshed in with his suit for stability purposes. Thor's is not, so I imagine that thing would be hard to fight with while it's on his head.

 

[boocherhix]

edit - nevermind, found it elsewhere.

Hey fellows, can someone direct to me where in this thread it explains how Thor got to Earth or at least the brief dialogue about it in the film? Sorry for the thorus-interruptus, but a friend is asking me & I didn't catch it when I saw the film either. Thanx.

 

[Rock Sexton]

edit - nevermind, found it elsewhere.

Hey fellows, can someone direct to me where in this thread it explains how Thor got to Earth or at least the brief dialogue about it in the film? Sorry for the thorus-interruptus, but a friend is asking me & I didn't catch it when I saw the film either. Thanx.

Loki explains it after Thor breaks into the Quinjet and grabs him. He says, "With the Bifrost gone, how much dark energy did the all-father have to muster to conjure you here ..... your precious Earth!?"

 

[Rock Sexton]

Couldn't figure out which thread to bring this up, so figured this one would be close enough.

Loki was able to transport to another realm without even having possession of the Cube. Doesn't this make the object extremely dangerous at any time, even with having it back on Asgard? Naturally I would think it's going to end up back in Odin's vault, making it even easier for Thanos to infiltrate and snatch the Infinity Gauntlet. Although the MCU hasn't connected the dots yet between it and Thanos.

Feige came out and basically said Thanos is being saved for the future, but how does he avoid this scenario come Thor 2?

 

[Herolee10]

Couldn't figure out which thread to bring this up, so figured this one would be close enough.

Loki was able to transport to another realm without even having possession of the Cube. Doesn't this make the object extremely dangerous at any time, even with having it back on Asgard? Naturally I would think it's going to end up back in Odin's vault, making it even easier for Thanos to infiltrate and snatch the Infinity Gauntlet. Although the MCU hasn't connected the dots yet between it and Thanos.

Feige came out and basically said Thanos is being saved for the future, but how does he avoid this scenario come Thor 2?

As I had also mentioned a scenario regarding this issue in the "Thor 2" threads, I think that IF Thanos does have a role in "Thor 2" that it will be very similar in scale and execution to how they used Professor Moriarty for the first Sherlock Holmes film with RDJ, where Thanos is watching things from behind the scenes and that the audiences are made known of it and that he makes the first move of his long winded plan at the very end of the sequel, leading thor on his next adventure that cultivates in the Avengers 2.

If Loki shows any signs of redemption in the sequel, my guess is that his one good act may be telling Thor or Odin about who he made the deal with and the specifics of it, again like how Rachel McAdams' character did in the first Sherlock Holmes film.

 

[Godzilla2000]

Didn't stop Captain America.

The truth is that those helmets are very heavy and very painful for the actors to wear at any extended period of time, even when not doing anything but having a conversation. Yes, in Thor Tom and Chris did deal with the discomfort, but they'd need some respite from wearing those things on their heads, especially during fight scenes, so that they don't cause stress damage to their heads and necks take after take.

 

[Smashlilman]

The thing with Loki is he wears his out of arrogance. After all, he did intend to rule the humans, so a King should have his crown.

From what we saw in the first Thor, Loki's crown seemed to be meshed in with his suit for stability purposes. Thor's is not, so I imagine that thing would be hard to fight with while it's on his head.

The truth is that those helmets are very heavy and very painful for the actors to wear at any extended period of time, even when not doing anything but having a conversation. Yes, in Thor Tom and Chris did deal with the discomfort, but they'd need some respite from wearing those things on their heads, especially during fight scenes, so that they don't cause stress damage to their heads and necks take after take.

Why not create a light weight stand in green skull cap that can be worn over his hair during the action sequences in Pre-production. Then create and add a CGI Helmet in Post-Production.

 

[Godzilla2000]

Why not create a light weight stand in green skull cap that can be worn over his hair during the action sequences in Pre-production. Then create and add a CGI Helmet in Post-Production.

You know, I was wondering why, for say extended scenes where there's expositional dialogue, they just can't make lightweight helmets from molded plastic? It's not like they can't make them have the sheen and appearance of metal. They use lightweight materials all the time for things like swords which when painted with metallic paint look just like they were made of metal. Why not use this for the helmets in Thor as well?

 

[04nbod]

Didn't stop Captain America.

That is a different kind of helmet though. The first one was strapped on the head and the second one was like a half balaclava. There is a reason its off for a lot of the final action scenes in The Avengers.

Lokis is way more restricting than Thors and it worked fine

Do you think Loki is as physical as Thor? He's a trickster, not a warrior.

Loki explains it after Thor breaks into the Quinjet and grabs him. He says, "With the Bifrost gone, how much dark energy did the all-father have to muster to conjure you here ..... your precious Earth!?"

Loki supposes it, he doesn't explain it. Thor never confirms it.

 

[JAK®]

Actors have worn helmets in movies for decades. I will not accept any excuse for why Chris Hemsworth could not physically wear a helmet.

You guys should just tell the truth and say that you prefer the way he looks without a helmet instead of making up reasons for why it would be impossible.

 

[BigThor]

Actors have worn helmets in movies for decades. I will not accept any excuse for why Chris Hemsworth could not physically wear a helmet.

You guys should just tell the truth and say that you prefer the way he looks without a helmet instead of making up reasons for why it would be impossible.

^ What he said

 

[Rock Sexton]

Actors have worn helmets in movies for decades. I will not accept any excuse for why Chris Hemsworth could not physically wear a helmet.

You guys should just tell the truth and say that you prefer the way he looks without a helmet instead of making up reasons for why it would be impossible.

Jesus you take this stuff too seriously.

 

[Silvermoon]

Why not create a light weight stand in green skull cap that can be worn over his hair during the action sequences in Pre-production. Then create and add a CGI Helmet in Post-Production.

You know, I was wondering why, for say extended scenes where there's expositional dialogue, they just can't make lightweight helmets from molded plastic? It's not like they can't make them have the sheen and appearance of metal. They use lightweight materials all the time for things like swords which when painted with metallic paint look just like they were made of metal. Why not use this for the helmets in Thor as well?

I'm actually really glad they didn't go this route (using CGI or extremely lightweight materials). To me, when you start to use less than authentic materials I think you can run the risk of loosing something in the performance. The helmets have weight, the costumes have weight. I'm pretty sure in an interview (might've been for Thor) Tom said that despite the 30+ pounds (or whatever) of costume, it actually helps him with the character.

I remember when I went back for the 2nd viewing of Avengers, as I tried to notice the 'little' things, one thing that stood out to me in the Stuttgart scene with Loki is the way he holds himself and moves with those horns on his head. There's just something about it. Or the way he brings his head up after Cap used his shield to ricochet Loki's own blast back at him, I'm going to be serious, he reminded me very much of a bull wanting to charge forward. Had the helmet been a lighter weight, would we have gotten those interesting subtle movements? Maybe... maybe not. I know actors are good at pretending something is something that it's not, but sometimes you just really need that weight to bring...well... weight to the performance.

Just my opinion though

Actors have worn helmets in movies for decades. I will not accept any excuse for why Chris Hemsworth could not physically wear a helmet.

You guys should just tell the truth and say that you prefer the way he looks without a helmet instead of making up reasons for why it would be impossible.

Fine, I'll be honest, I do prefer the way he looks without the helmet. If they want to keep the helmet for ceremonial purposes, fine. But I have no aversion to saying that I'd prefer them to keep it off the rest of the time.

 

[jaqua99]

Couldn't figure out which thread to bring this up, so figured this one would be close enough.

Loki was able to transport to another realm without even having possession of the Cube. Doesn't this make the object extremely dangerous at any time, even with having it back on Asgard? Naturally I would think it's going to end up back in Odin's vault, making it even easier for Thanos to infiltrate and snatch the Infinity Gauntlet. Although the MCU hasn't connected the dots yet between it and Thanos.

Feige came out and basically said Thanos is being saved for the future, but how does he avoid this scenario come Thor 2?

Maybe doesn't. He, and Hemsworth said Thanos as the villian will be saved for the future future. However he didn't say anything about other cameos, or appearances in Thor 2. Which I am inclined to still believe at this point

 

[jaqua99]

exactly. There is no reason. THe studio simply thought he looked better without it. So didn't use it. Though, I really hope we see some actions shots with it soon.

 

[BETArayBill]

Met Chris at wizard world today awesome guy

 

[Doctor Jones]

Helmets are all different. They probably did tests with it and Hemsworth and the filmmakers found out they could get through to the audience more without the helmet.

 

[BigThor]

Met Chris at wizard world today awesome guy

That's awesome bro, my mom always refers to him as "Thor" even when he's in different movies.

It's been that way ever since that week I took time out of my schedule and watched "Thor" with her.

 

[Smashlilman]

I'm actually really glad they didn't go this route (using CGI or extremely lightweight materials). To me, when you start to use less than authentic materials I think you can run the risk of loosing something in the performance. The helmets have weight, the costumes have weight. I'm pretty sure in an interview (might've been for Thor) Tom said that despite the 30+ pounds (or whatever) of costume, it actually helps him with the character.

I remember when I went back for the 2nd viewing of Avengers, as I tried to notice the 'little' things, one thing that stood out to me in the Stuttgart scene with Loki is the way he holds himself and moves with those horns on his head. There's just something about it. Or the way he brings his head up after Cap used his shield to ricochet Loki's own blast back at him, I'm going to be serious, he reminded me very much of a bull wanting to charge forward. Had the helmet been a lighter weight, would we have gotten those interesting subtle movements? Maybe... maybe not. I know actors are good at pretending something is something that it's not, but sometimes you just really need that weight to bring...well... weight to the performance.

Just my opinion though


Fine, I'll be honest, I do prefer the way he looks without the helmet. If they want to keep the helmet for ceremonial purposes, fine. But I have no aversion to saying that I'd prefer them to keep it off the rest of the time.

I'm not sure if you know this but that's exactly what they did in Thor and in the Avengers. In Thor he had several different weighted versions of Mjolnir. They used the 5 pound hammer for distant action sequences and a detailed 15 pound hammer for dialog heavy sequences with close ups. When Mjolnir is thrown or Spun its CGI. The same concepts could me apply with his Helmet. Use a Heavy High quality helmet during close up dialog. Lighter designed helmet for scene that require more movement. CGI Helmet for the quick fast paced action sequences (easy because a lot of those scene will have a completely CGI Thor anyway).

On The Weight Of The Hammer
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Transition from 5 pound Mjolnir to CGI Mjolnir.

10 pound Mjolnir

Transition CGI Mjolnir to 15 pound Mjolnir
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I have to state this again. No one is saying that Thor has to where his helmet at all times. Most of us want what Josh Whedon did with the Avengers. Instead of giving the characters one look throughout the film, give them a Variety of different looks. Thor had the sleeveless and armored look. Cap had the under layered costume look and the complete Costume look (with and without helmet/cowl). I personally like Thor with out the helmet more also but i still would like to see the Helmet look on the character during some segments of the movie.

What kills me is that people will say that something looks stupid or won't work in a movie until they actually see it in the movie. This is what someone said about Thor using his Hammer to fly before they actually made Thor.

Someones comment on an old CBM article.

Exiles - 2/6/2011, 8:18 AM

@Jolt17 well no he doesn't he just flies a guy spinning his hammer and then taking off would look stupid in the movie. As far as I can remember he didn't spin his hammer, if the script is real.

 

[JAK®]

Jesus you take this stuff too seriously.

I dislike people pretending that there are reasons why the other side can't get what they want, instead of just dealing with the fact that there are people who disagree with them.

I would never argue with someone who says they prefer Thor without the helmet. Because that's subjective. But to claim it can't be done? That's just incorrect.

 

[Silvermoon]

I'm not sure if you know this but that's exactly what they did in Thor and in the Avengers. In Thor he had several different weighted versions of Mjolnir. They used the 5 pound hammer for distant action sequences and a detailed 15 pound hammer for dialog heavy sequences with close ups. When Mjolnir is thrown or Spun its CGI. The same concepts could me apply with his Helmet. Use a Heavy High quality helmet during close up dialog. Lighter designed helmet for scene that require more movement. CGI Helmet for the quick fast paced action sequences (easy because a lot of those scene will have a completely CGI Thor anyway).

I know they did that for the hammer, but for the costuming... i don't know, it's one of those things I'm finding hard to explain what exactly is in my head (and just waking up from spending the night on a less than desirable air mattress isn't helping - oh the joys of helping my sister move *lol*)

Maybe I'll think about it and see if I can articulate it better later