Why are people so skeptical of UFO's?

[NickNitro]

Yeah, which some of it can make you scratch your head...like the Puma Punku stones.

Precision stone cutting created in a primitive age where to this day would be hard to recreate

 

[superpower]

Ahh he's the bloke that puts everything ancient man achieved down to extra terrestrial intervention. He's entertaining I'll give him that. Crazy, but entertaining none the less.

Some of those achievements create a lot of questions though.

Perhaps one day we'll find the remains of an ancient lathe or mill.

 

[Dr.]

There see now your applying our way of life to a hypothetical, advanced extra-terrestrial civilisation. Implying they couldn't give a crap what's going on just so long as they get paid when they get back so as to put food on the table for their alien brood.

It’s not necessarily about “commercial” gain or crass exploitation. Even if the alien motive was a benign “first contact,” there would still be tremendous resource costs in doing this. And it might be supposed that all that effort would result in an actual first contact - not the highly questionable “UFO phenomenon.”

As for radio waves? That is so like pissing in the wind, a massive waste of time IMO. SETI = waste of time.

Well, one reason why aliens might select Earth out of the cosmic haystack is because we’ve been broadcasting evidence of our intelligence for the past hundred years or so (via radio waves). So radio would be useful to the ETs in that respect. And if they’re capable of listening to our quaint communication system, they’d also be capable of sending a “hello.” Again, much cheaper than a physical visit.
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Now, I suppose we could just assume that these aliens have infinite technology and utterly inscrutable intentions. But essentially, that amounts to “anything goes” - that no rational objection is allowed to count against the UFO hypothesis. If that's the case, might as well just declare "case closed" and lock this thread.

 

[zeroapoc]

UFO's, Bigfoot, Nessie... it's all crap. Grow up and live in the real world is what I say to believers.

I don't want to hear about "reliable witnesses" either. People always bring up someone's profession (cop, doctor, etc.) as if that somehow makes them incapable of lying or being mentally off.

 

[NickNitro]

UFO's, Bigfoot, Nessie... it's all crap. Grow up and live in the real world is what I say to believers.

I don't want to hear about "reliable witnesses" either. People always bring up someone's profession (cop, doctor, etc.) as if that somehow makes them incapable of lying or being mentally off.

lol

 

[superpower]

It’s not necessarily about “commercial” gain or crass exploitation. Even if the alien motive was a benign “first contact,” there would still be tremendous resource costs in doing this. And it might be supposed that all that effort would result in an actual first contact - not the highly questionable “UFO phenomenon.”

Well, one reason why aliens might select Earth out of the cosmic haystack is because we’ve been broadcasting evidence of our intelligence for the past hundred years or so (via radio waves). So radio would be useful to the ETs in that respect. And if they’re capable of listening to our quaint communication system, they’d also be capable of sending a “hello.” Again, much cheaper than a physical visit.
...
Now, I suppose we could just assume that these aliens have infinite technology and utterly inscrutable intentions. But essentially, that amounts to “anything goes” - that no rational objection is allowed to count against the UFO hypothesis. If that's the case, might as well just declare "case closed" and lock this thread.

But to be advanced enough to get here...... I base this on where we are.......... I would think they would possess the ability for some type of space flight.

Since asteroids are so abundant in some resources perhaps they would not have to limit themselves based on insufficient resources.

 

[Solouk]

It’s not necessarily about “commercial” gain or crass exploitation. Even if the alien motive was a benign “first contact,” there would still be tremendous resource costs in doing this. And it might be supposed that all that effort would result in an actual first contact - not the highly questionable “UFO phenomenon.”

Well, one reason why aliens might select Earth out of the cosmic haystack is because we’ve been broadcasting evidence of our intelligence for the past hundred years or so (via radio waves). So radio would be useful to the ETs in that respect. And if they’re capable of listening to our quaint communication system, they’d also be capable of sending a “hello.” Again, much cheaper than a physical visit.
...
Now, I suppose we could just assume that these aliens have infinite technology and utterly inscrutable intentions. But essentially, that amounts to “anything goes” - that no rational objection is allowed to count against the UFO hypothesis. If that's the case, might as well just declare "case closed" and lock this thread.

Maybe I've been a bit misunderstood. I have an open mind when it comes to this stuff and I do find it genuinely intriguing. Apparently there is a tomb in the Giza pyramid that was carved out of ONE (??!!) yes one piece of granite. And an engineer was puzzled to explain how they did it? Now that is fascinating. And it's big, deep thing. I mean how the hell?

 

[NickNitro]

I would like to think, higher/more advanced life forms in the universe aren't burdened by loans/or debts. I hear enough about/have to worry about money on this planet I'd like to think a few million years of evolution we would transcend the all mighty $

 

[Solouk]

Sorry not that sort of tomb. It's more like a big, deep rectangular coffin.

 

[zeroapoc]

lol

Not trolling. Don't see why you would say so.

 

[NickNitro]

Not trolling. Don't see why you would say so.

I haven't seen you in any UFO discussion prior to this comment, or any forums for that matter

And your first post in here is this

UFO's, Bigfoot, Nessie... it's all crap. Grow up and live in the real world is what I say to believers.

I don't want to hear about "reliable witnesses" either. People always bring up someone's profession (cop, doctor, etc.) as if that somehow makes them incapable of lying or being mentally off.

It has nothing to do with our current discussion. Its just cheap shot to stir up emotion.

Thats like me going into a Batman thread and saying he's crap, DC sucks, Iron Man rules.

Honestly dude, just go away, we were fine without your incredibly deep insight.

 

[Solouk]

UFO's, Bigfoot, Nessie... it's all crap. Grow up and live in the real world is what I say to believers.

I don't want to hear about "reliable witnesses" either. People always bring up someone's profession (cop, doctor, etc.) as if that somehow makes them incapable of lying or being mentally off.

You say live in the real world. I live in the real world mate. I've got kids, I pay my taxes I love my sport, meeting my pals in the pub at weekends. But cause I have a passing interest in this subject you label me as being some sort of crank? I don't know you but from that post your the one who needs to grow up. So just leave it there and save your crap for elsewhere.

 

[zeroapoc]

No. I'll go where I want. Don't need your permission.

I just now noticed this thread. That's why it's my first comment. It sucks that me having an opinion different from yours is a considered a "cheap shot" to stir up emotion. But I don't apologize for it. Wanting people to "go away" because they disagree with you isn't very mature.

All in all it's a sad state of affairs when saying you don't believe in UFOs is considered trolling.

 

[zeroapoc]

You say live in the real world. I live in the real world mate. I've got kids, I pay my taxes I love my sport, meeting my pals in the pub at weekends. But cause I have a passing interest in this subject you label me as being some sort of crank? I don't know you but from that post your the one who needs to grow up. So just leave it there and save your crap for elsewhere.

No I don't think you're a crank. I understand having a passing interest completely.

However I have no guilty feelings whatsoever in stating my opinion, which is what it is, that the whole phenomenon is much ado about nothing.

 

[Bim]

No. I'll go where I want. Don't need your permission.

I just now noticed this thread. That's why it's my first comment. It sucks that me having an opinion different from yours is a considered a "cheap shot" to stir up emotion. But I don't apologize for it. Wanting people to "go away" because they disagree with you isn't very mature.

All in all it's a sad state of affairs when saying you don't believe in UFOs is considered trolling.

Is not what you believe or dont that is the issue. Is how you worded your previous post. It's perfectly fine to disagree, but at least be respectful of other people's opinion and views.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand, i've always been curious about those Puma Punku stones since i read about them, NickNitro. It boggles the mind how a less advanced civilization (or so they teach us lol) was capable of making something like that, when even today it's difficult for us to make.

 

[NickNitro]

All in all it's a sad state of affairs when saying you don't believe in UFOs is considered trolling.

But you didnt say that did you? You told everyone that does believe in them it's all crap. Grow up and live in the real world is what I say to believers.. If that comment is your measuring stick for maturity than I feel sorry for you.

 

[Solouk]

No. I'll go where I want. Don't need your permission.

I just now noticed this thread. That's why it's my first comment. It sucks that me having an opinion different from yours is a considered a "cheap shot" to stir up emotion. But I don't apologize for it. Wanting people to "go away" because they disagree with you isn't very mature.

All in all it's a sad state of affairs when saying you don't believe in UFOs is considered trolling.

It's not the fact you don't believe or haven't got an open mind. Your entitled to your opinion. It's the hostile and derogatory way you put your opinion across rather than having something constructive to say. What's the point in turning up in the thread, saying basically your all a bunch of c**ts for believing in UFO's and telling us to all go and live in the real world? Your either pissed, or young and don't understand anything about the subject.

 

[NickNitro]

Anyways, back to the topic at hand, i've always been curious about those Puma Punku stones since i read about them, NickNitro. It boggles the mind how a less advanced civilization (or so they teach us lol) was capable of making something like that, when even today it's difficult for us to make.

It really does. I was blown away when I saw them on Ancient Aliens a few years back. I never heard of them before. Really opened my eyes.

Whats even more amazing is when you hear of these 1,000lb + stones that are found in the middle of a civilization where that particular stone isn't even found. Its found hundreds, thousands of miles away on some shore line. How could primitive life possibly move those stones that far a distance to create such structures as monuments/homes/etc.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Just ignore him and he'll go troll elsewhere.

 

[zeroapoc]

But you didnt say that did you? You told everyone that does believe in them it's all crap. Grow up and live in the real world is what I say to believers.. If that comment is your measuring stick for maturity than I feel sorry for you.

Fine. I'll concede that my first comment was harsh.

I'll rephrase it to say that I believe people should use the scientific method and base things like these on actual evidence. There hasn't been a single bit of definitive proof. So believing seems odd to me.

Better?

 

[superpower]

No I don't think you're a crank. I understand having a passing interest completely.

However I have no guilty feelings whatsoever in stating my opinion, which is what it is, that the whole phenomenon is much ado about nothing.

Opinions are fine. Like many other thins though it's all about presentation.

 

[zeroapoc]

Just ignore him and he'll go troll elsewhere.

I tried. He keeps posting.

 

[superpower]

It really does. I was blown away when I saw them on Ancient Aliens a few years back. I never heard of them before. Really opened my eyes.

Whats even more amazing is when you hear of these 1,000lb + stones that are found in the middle of a civilization where that particular stone isn't even found. Its found hundreds, thousands of miles away on some shore line. How could primitive life possibly move those stones that far a distance to create such structures as monuments/homes/etc.

Adding the petrified corpses, forget where they are, and it almost seems like we were destroyed before.

 

[Solouk]

Fine. I'll concede that my first comment was harsh.

I'll rephrase it to say that I believe people should use the scientific method and base things like these on actual evidence. There hasn't been a single bit of definitive proof. So believing seems odd to me.

Better?

Yeah, better. Why didnt you just say that in the first place. Now, there are a lot of things that seem 'odd' to me in this world. Like how my government lets men go to fight for their country and when they return home injured, not give two ****s about them and won't look after them. But thats for a different thread. Anyway, I don't know what level of investigating you've ever done into this subject (probably not a great deal on the face of it) but if you delve deep there is evidence there to 'suggest' that there is definitely something going on. You just have to be interested enough to do the delving.

 

[DareDemon]

It doesn't really what zeroapoc says you guys, he'll be proven wrong by science eventually, assuming he's not already a senior citizen. I agree with him that Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster probably don't exist though hahah.